Will Israel Do What it Takes to Secure Peace?

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Will Israel Do What it Takes to Secure Peace?
Moral reflections on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden – and Gaza.
By Jason D. Hill

The joint aerial bombing by the British and the United States of Dresden, Germany between February 12-15, 1945, killed up to 25,000 people. They were mostly civilians. The bombings had a devastating effect on Hitler’s Germany and played a key role in Germany’s surrender in the Second World War on May 8, 1945.

On August 6th and 9th of that same year, the United States of America detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The explosions killed between 129, 000 and 226,000 people. Less than a month later, the Japanese surrendered, thereby ending World War II and Japanese imperialism.

Unlike most trained ethicists, I have no agonistic hand-wringing moments regarding the scope and breadth of these acts of war against enemy combatants. The moral purpose of war is to totally vanquish the enemy. Attritional warfare is the military strategy that best achieves this goal. Military scholars often quibble over what constitutes attritional warfare; nevertheless, we may surmise that any war in which the agents attempt to win by consistently and mercilessly wearing down the enemy to the point of collapse through loss of human life and military resources by any means, is an attritional war. Sometimes critics of attritional war will refer to them as wars of “mass destruction.”

One criterion that may be used to justify what may also be called “wars of total annihilation,” for which the bombings of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would qualify, is the following: When the arc of the entire moral infrastructure of a nation, or its political combatants, is predicated on the destruction and annihilation of another nation or state and, further, when the citizens of such nations/states or regions or governing units support the infrastructure and its architects, a war of total annihilation can be ethically defended.

Hitler was elected chancellor while running on a rabid and invective antisemitic platform. The Holocaust did not catch the German people unaware. One may describe them—even those who never personally participated in the actual killings of Jews and others during the Holocaust—as killers by means of conviction. Strategically then, we make the claim that terrorists, and war adversaries who begin a war or onslaught against a people, have evicted themselves from the realm of rights. In violating the unassailable and inalienable rights of others they forfeit their own rights. The reciprocity involved in upholding rights claims and inviolable rights is violated by the offender. During war, therefore, offending combatants not only forfeit their rights, but their nations or states or governing bodies revert to a state of nature in which the citizens themselves, as complicit in the offenses exercised by their representatives, are bereft of any legitimate body politic (a government or legitimate state) to protect their rights. The offending state is no longer seen as a legitimate conferrer of justice. If citizens in states where offensive war actors are waging combat are left without a legitimately recognized infrastructure to uphold their “rights” (remember they voted for or lent moral support to an offensive state or governing body), we can say that they have placed their own agency and personhood in a state of war with the defensive warring state and its deputized combatants.

In ending Japanese imperialism and the genocidal impulses of Hitler and his German citizens, or killers by means of conviction, we strategically and morally eroded the distinction between citizens and the nation/state with which we were at war. Anything short of this strategic maneuver results in an altruistic war in which the self-interests of the citizens of the opposing side supersede the rights of, in this case, U.S. citizens. In reality, there are no inherent moral distinctions between the humanity of an enemy combatant and any American. In war, we strategically manufacture a difference to give the war its ethical upshot.

In a similar vein, if a home invader uses his 93-year-old grandmother as a shield while he brandishes a gun at you and your family, leaving you to think he is going to kill you all—you would be under zero ethical obligation to spare the life of his grandmother if you possessed a weapon and had an excellent opportunity to kill him. The moral responsibility for his grandmother’s life lies with him, not you. You have a prima facie duty to protect your life in that situation by any means and at whatever cost to the invader. In that moment your right to your life supersedes any moral obligation you might have to spare the grandmother’s life in the defense of yourself. You cannot be held responsible for a situation immorally imposed on you which then further requires you to compromise your life by any form of a threat put forward by the invader. Morality cannot demand of you that you sacrifice your life for the sake of the invaders’ grandmother’s life. Morality cannot demand that your moral conscience and goodness be usurped by an intruder who uses your goodness and conscience as weapons against you.

Since you have been placed in an untenable and immoral position by a rights violator, you must consider the human shield he uses which he expects you to consider as a legitimate barter for your life—as superfluous and extraneous when it comes to your first moral obligation in this instance: the preservation of yourself and your family’s life, and the annihilation of the invader along with any collateral protection he has improperly deployed in the illicit destruction of your life.

Israel may well have to morally reflect on the morality of an attritional war against Hamas as it makes incursions into Gaza. Does it carry out a protracted war on the ground and by air if that means putting thousands of Israel Defense Forces members at risk of losing their lives?

One of the moral lessons we learned from bombing Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, is that war is not just about vanquishing the enemy. It is also about inflicting generational damage. Future generations are deterred from enacting a war of vengeance at a much later time or, just as importantly, of repeating the errors of their predecessors. The collective memory of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden is an important reason why other nations will think twice about starting a war with the United States.

The Charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jewry from the region and the world. It calls for the establishment of a Global Caliphate. Any preemptive or preventive strike made by Israel against Hamas in response to the invasion of Hamas into Israel on Saturday, October 7 can only be seen in moral terms.

Israel has every right to expect further rocket strikes and physical incursions into its sovereign territory. They are imminent. We may say this with confidence based on Hamas’s past and present unprovoked offensive attacks against Israel. Some of the terrorist insurgents fighting for Hamas today were born after Israel was confident it had severely compromised the infrastructure of Hamas’ sophisticated capabilities by killing several of its leaders 20-25 years ago.

This is not the case. Prime Minister Netanyahu can make another attempt to degrade Hamas. Pressure will be placed on Israel to respect calls for new elections, and the Palestinians will vote for that other terrorist organization, the Palestinian Authority. Israel can also cancel its disengagement with Gaza, rebuild settlements and return to the status quo of around 2004. The cycle will repeat itself endlessly. And the illusion of peace will suffuse the global imagination for the simple reason that much of the world remains antisemitic and anti-Israel.

But there is more to the dilemma than this. Much of the world has a problem grasping the fact that Hamas has a maniacal and congenital hatred of Israel. It wants the country and its Jewish population exterminated. It is a genocidal organization. There is such a thing as intractable evil that habitually wills and executes destruction.

The British and the Americans realized this about Hitler’s Germany, and they irrevocably put an end to a Germany that needed to be vanquished. The Americans and their allies recognized this when truly grasping the capacious and rapacious will of imperial Japan. They utilized the only foolproof method to secure a lasting peace.

Israel can play a cyclical game of one-upmanship with Hamas only to be attacked at a not-much later date. Or it can remember how wars were truly fought when defense fighters knew what the real goals of war were.

In the coming weeks, Israel is going to be asked to exercise great restraint in response to Hamas’ attack, and she will be pilloried when she fails to heed the calls of the global majority that harbors no love for Israel.

To this end, Israel’s allies must recognize her strategic moral infallibility in fighting this new war. This means, to be clear, that any means used to defend against a menacing invading aggressor is proper—the archaic and inapplicable Just War Theory notwithstanding. Maybe then and only then will Israel be able to remember how it used to fight its early wars and remember how the Americans and the British mastered the art of truly vanquishing the enemy in World War II.

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kathymendel

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I agree, too. Israel must defend her country at any costs................until God does it for them.
I wonder, tho, if this war, being fought the way it is (rightfully so) will drum up so much controversy among
the countries, (i.e. the UN and Nato and EU), as well as independent countries in the area, won't be the catalyst
for the prophecy of all nations turning against Israel...........condemning her and coming up against her in yet another war.
 

penbrat

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I agree, too. Israel must defend her country at any costs................until God does it for them.
I wonder, tho, if this war, being fought the way it is (rightfully so) will drum up so much controversy among
the countries, (i.e. the UN and Nato and EU), as well as independent countries in the area, won't be the catalyst
for the prophecy of all nations turning against Israel...........condemning her and coming up against her in yet another war.
I wonder the same thing...seems like criticism towards Israel is starting to heat up a bit (seemingly more than usual) because of the conditions in Gaza. Time will tell if the criticism is just the usual bias towards Israel or if it will turn into other nations turning away from Israel. I am also wondering if this will turn into a bigger war than just Israel and Hamas.
 

daygo

Well-Known Member
I wonder the same thing...seems like criticism towards Israel is starting to heat up a bit (seemingly more than usual) because of the conditions in Gaza. Time will tell if the criticism is just the usual bias towards Israel or if it will turn into other nations turning away from Israel. I am also wondering if this will turn into a bigger war than just Israel and Hamas.
Agree, could this be the beginning of so much prophecy that it culminates in the anology of the pack of dominoes being pushed to start the whole thing off.
 

alisani

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I agree, too. Israel must defend her country at any costs................until God does it for them.
I wonder, tho, if this war, being fought the way it is (rightfully so) will drum up so much controversy among
the countries, (i.e. the UN and Nato and EU), as well as independent countries in the area, won't be the catalyst
for the prophecy of all nations turning against Israel...........condemning her and coming up against her in yet another war.
I wonder the same thing...seems like criticism towards Israel is starting to heat up a bit (seemingly more than usual) because of the conditions in Gaza. Time will tell if the criticism is just the usual bias towards Israel or if it will turn into other nations turning away from Israel. I am also wondering if this will turn into a bigger war than just Israel and Hamas.
I wonder this as well. Considering it's such early days and yet, look at the global response, so much of it hate for Israel. And it's all over the globe, just as much in the west as anywhere else. Seems like the global attitude, and our governments, are already against Israel and have no respect for her right to survive and thrive. And if Israel does what they say they will do, the world will be up in arms. They already are. Even if Israel compromises her own safety in a bid to appease world leaders, I think it's too late. I see these prophecies as being just around the corner which means, so is our exit. God's timing is perfect and I pray His will be done. And I pray for Jerusalem and any to come to God who will, no matter how much an enemy they may have been to Him. These are heavy days for the heart and mind, but still very much hopeful days. A season has a set number of days before it changes. It truly seems that this season of watching and witnessing is ending for the Church. Regardless, we will live and work. And witness and reach out with greater urgency because every day gets us closer, no matter the news.
 

alisani

Well-Known Member
There's always that thought in the back of my mind that asks "what is it that happens to America that makes us stand by helplessly and not help Israel?"
It's heartbreaking to realize our demise as a country is right around the corner.

Come soon, Lord Jesus. :pray
For decades our country has systematically removed God from its institutions. We have perverted the will of God and pursued our own interests. The family, it's definition and its parameters for living and raising our children are disregarded. There are those who submit the children to evil. Many of our "churches" echo empty of God's truth. We accepted and promoted cultures and peoples that espoused beliefs that are in direct opposition to God's word. To now turn our backs on Israel...how could we expect blessing and safety? It saddens me greatly, but America's own stiff-necked and collective disobedience has brought us to this place. People, even "Christians", are living for themselves. The megachurches, for all the people they draw, deliver ear-tickling, prosperity-seeking messages. It's sad and it's disgusting and I so wish we would remain true to God. There are hellish consequences coming to the world and America will not be exempt. I spent some time, years ago, mourning. But my nation, my home, my allegiance can only be to God. I haven't recognized my earthly home in a long while. Regardless of what we see around us, what possible suffering awaits before we go home, He will keep us. He is our tower, our refuge, our strength and our portion forever.
 

Amethyst

Angie ... †
For decades our country has systematically removed God from its institutions. We have perverted the will of God and pursued our own interests. The family, it's definition and its parameters for living and raising our children are disregarded. There are those who submit the children to evil. Many of our "churches" echo empty of God's truth. We accepted and promoted cultures and peoples that espoused beliefs that are in direct opposition to God's word. To now turn our backs on Israel...how could we expect blessing and safety? It saddens me greatly, but America's own stiff-necked and collective disobedience has brought us to this place. People, even "Christians", are living for themselves. The megachurches, for all the people they draw, deliver ear-tickling, prosperity-seeking messages. It's sad and it's disgusting and I so wish we would remain true to God. There are hellish consequences coming to the world and America will not be exempt. I spent some time, years ago, mourning. But my nation, my home, my allegiance can only be to God. I haven't recognized my earthly home in a long while. Regardless of what we see around us, what possible suffering awaits before we go home, He will keep us. He is our tower, our refuge, our strength and our portion forever.
I agree, we've only brought it on ourselves. :sad

I think the most I cried about America was in 2008, when Obama got elected. I was barely in my 20s and I couldnt believe so many voted for this man who wanted to fundamentally change America. Why did they want this, I thought... and it was so sad.... then when Trump was basically never given fair shake, I knew I had to just accept the New America, and hope the rapture comes before we had to reap everything.

So I am totally ready for our home in heaven, and I dont get caught up in anxiety about this country because I see it for what it is. Lost and rebellious.
 

lightofmylife

Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!
There's always that thought in the back of my mind that asks "what is it that happens to America that makes us stand by helplessly and not help Israel?"
It's heartbreaking to realize our demise as a country is right around the corner.

Come soon, Lord Jesus. :pray
Whoever is in charge at the time to not help Israel is the reason. They don't like Israel or don't want to get involved.
 

Andy C

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There's always that thought in the back of my mind that asks "what is it that happens to America that makes us stand by helplessly and not help Israel?"
It's heartbreaking to realize our demise as a country is right around the corner.

Come soon, Lord Jesus. :pray
The only answer to me that makes sense is the rapture. The rapture will decimate our country, and we will no longer be a super power with a high percentage of the military snatched away, no longer serving us, but directly serving Him.
 

athenasius

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There's always that thought in the back of my mind that asks "what is it that happens to America that makes us stand by helplessly and not help Israel?"
It's heartbreaking to realize our demise as a country is right around the corner.

Come soon, Lord Jesus. :pray
Like @Andy C said, I think it's the Rapture.

Whatever else happens with this current war between Hamas and Israel, I think a good deal is moving the furniture into place for the post Rapture and Tribulation period world.

I see some of the prep work for Ezek 38. Israel fights some kind of war and exists in some type of peace when she is attacked- that could be partly why this war on Israel was allowed to start. It's built a lot of cooperation between the Left and Right in Israel. They are united in their desire to end this ongoing risk.

This war is redirecting money and resources away from Ukraine, over to Israel by America which is exactly what Russia wants (leading me to think that a certain Israeli was right in his initial assessments that Hamas had some help from Russia, not just Iran although Iran is the biggest backer of this war.

So 2 necessary steps towards Ezek 38 are happening now:
Israel may take out more of her enemies leading to a state of peace and complacency as described in Ezekiel 38 at the time of the invasion
AND
less help for Ukraine means Gog of Magog will be in charge of the united former area of Magog.

Since I also think that Ezek 38 happens AFTER the Rapture (due to the wording that suggests that nobody among the gentiles knows God at that point and Israel is starting to turn to God as a result) then any time we see stuff that is preparing for Ezek 38, means the Rapture is even closer.

Like the old prophecy teachers joke, when you see stuff for Christmas going up in the stores, you know that American Thanksgiving is even closer.

So it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.... as the song goes, so things are rumbling along getting ready for Thanksgiving or in this comparison --the Rapture.

Which would be about right with regards to America. She's the only world power on Israel's side that would be severely weakened by the Rapture. Nobody in Europe would lose too many people in the Rapture. Canada, New Zealand and Australia are a lot smaller than America although they'll lose a lot in the way of Christians in the Rapture. Spain and South America same although they are not usually supportive of Israel. So it's AMERICA that weakens, and it looks like the Rapture.

The way I read Ezek 38 America is still around but in a vastly weakened state. Only able to question Russia's invasion-- not oppose it. Which also suggests that Russia will continue to increase as a world power/threat even as Russia gets more and more hungry for "spoil". Which we see happening now.

BTW I was also watching a teacher talking about the whole copper scroll hidden temple treasures of gold that might be in the works for Israel if they find that treasure trove. Big IF there. But he was pointing out that Russia is interested in gold and lots of it because they want to be on a gold backed Ruble. Which they are as of April of 2022. (even as they are trying to topple the US Petrodollar with the other BRICS) https://bullionexchanges.com/blog/russia-pegs-ruble-to-gold-what-does-that-mean-to-the-world-order

That might be far more speculative but everything I see with this current war suggests:

Israel will win-- God will see to it. There may be more of these wars to come over the next while or it could escalate enough to take out what Bill Salus terms the inner ring whether that is Psalm 83 or Isaiah 17 or some blend of both. Israel eventually ends up in a state of peaceful complacency in her ability to "take out the trash".

Russia will be more and more interested in something Israel has and the Bible does mention gold whether that is actual gold or wealth of other types. Russia increases in power (by Ezek 38 no other nation opposes them) at the same time as they increase their need for wealth. (which suggests that the war in Ukraine will be won by Russia eventually but at considerable cost).

America will fade in it's ability to defend Israel.

The Rapture is getting closer. How much closer is anyone's guess. I'm actually wondering how the red heifers have fared in the war situation because that is another little indicator on the gas gauge of how close we are getting.
 
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