Why doesn't the USA help Israel in the Gog/Magog War?

ItIsFinished!

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That was just one thought out of a great many... one possible scenario. Until the era of President Trump, the USA had been putty in the globalists hands... I expect we'll return to that after the President Trump era comes to an end.
I agree as well friend.
President Trump has been the best President America has had since Ronald Reagan.
I hope we get four more years of him.
To be honest I cannot imagine this world if he doesn't.
If we get another looney, lefty, liberal in office surely we are done.
Unfortunately I can see that happening, but hold on to hope that it will not happen.
My thoughts can change between now and the next election due to unforeseen future circumstances.
 

Nemophilist

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It could be as simple as we have a President like obama in office who hates Israel and loves Israel's enemies. The USA might still be the country with the greatest military might in the world. Afterall, the antichrist might well want the USA's military might intact for his own use. Guess we'll see... probably pretty soon, too.
Bingo! That has always been my theory on why the US doesn't help Israel.
 

Lynn

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Until the era of President Trump, the USA had been putty in the globalists hands... I expect we'll return to that after the President Trump era comes to an end.
O-o-h, I don't want to think that's why US won't help Israel. We've been in that situation already. I can't bear to think of another president like the one we had before. It was actually painful watching Mr. Netanyahu being snubbed & Middle Easterners being bowed to. I sincerely pray that the Lord will call us home before we are viewing the theater of the absurd once again. :confused:
 

athenasius

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O-o-h, I don't want to think that's why US won't help Israel. We've been in that situation already. I can't bear to think of another president like the one we had before. It was actually painful watching Mr. Netanyahu being snubbed & Middle Easterners being bowed to. I sincerely pray that the Lord will call us home before we are viewing the theater of the absurd once again. :confused:
I can pray that alongside you Lynn, I don't want to see what's coming. The sooner we are outta here the better!
 

InsuranceGuy

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Rev 6:4- the red horse. War is definitely coming. Praise God it is after we are called to "Come up here!."
I'm not certain we will be gone before a war. We will certainly be gone for the war in Revelation 6, but we've been here for WW1, WW2, the countless wars around the world, Vietnam, Korea and many many more. The Bible only says we'll be gone for the wars after "Come up here." I do think we're close to that time, so I hope we're long gone before anything else happens. That said, we could be here for multiple more wars (they are going on around the globe currently) and possibly another large one.
 

TRex2

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I'm not certain we will be gone before a war. We will certainly be gone for the war in Revelation 6, but we've been here for WW1, WW2, the countless wars around the world, Vietnam, Korea and many many more. The Bible only says we'll be gone for the wars after "Come up here." I do think we're close to that time, so I hope we're long gone before anything else happens. That said, we could be here for multiple more wars (they are going on around the globe currently) and possibly another large one.
We have also been here through past earthquakes, famines and plagues, but I have been admonished for saying we should not be surprised if we are here for another one.

My own theory is, since we are, for all practical purposes, not mentioned at all
that we depart the world stage before the Rapture, as the Holy Roman Empire
did, and a few others through the centuries. We may still be here, but something
could happen that would weaken us enough that we are no longer the
dominant superpower that we are today.

Remember Venezuela used to be the richest country in Latin America.
And not that long ago.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-02-07/venezuela-was-once-richest-most-stable-democracy-latin-america-what-happened
https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-socialism-turned-venezuela-from-the-wealthiest-country-in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case
 

InsuranceGuy

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We have also been here through past earthquakes, famines and plagues, but I have been admonished for saying we should not be surprised if we are here for another one.

My own theory is, since we are, for all practical purposes, not mentioned at all
that we depart the world stage before the Rapture, as the Holy Roman Empire
did, and a few others through the centuries. We may still be here, but something
could happen that would weaken us enough that we are no longer the
dominant superpower that we are today.

Remember Venezuela used to be the richest country in Latin America.
And not that long ago.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-02-07/venezuela-was-once-richest-most-stable-democracy-latin-america-what-happened
https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-socialism-turned-venezuela-from-the-wealthiest-country-in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case

I concur 100%. Whenever I am admonished for my beliefs that we "may" be here for another war, I typically point out the wars going on currently. We tend to think of the world from the eyes of the USA. There are wars all over the place. Africa is always warring between the cartels and the government. Same for Latin America. The Middle East is always at war. If the tune then changes to "we won't be here for another big war" I tend to ask where that is in the Bible. Just because we're alive today doesn't mean we will not see a war. I'm not saying we will, just that I'm not dogmatic that we won't.
 

Work4Peanuts

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We may be here for another war, but I am inclined to think that the rapture will happen soon because I see so many chess pieces lining up. I also think that there will be a lull before the storm, so to speak, due to the passage in I Thessalonians where it says that people will be saying "peace and security" and sudden destruction will come upon them. People are already saying those exact words. (Seriously, look it up in the news.) The stock market is at record highs. People are marrying and being given in marriage. Morality is like the time of Noah, with scoffers asking where is His coming? People are living their daily lives as they always have with no thought of the destruction to come.

And yet, we can clearly see the Gog/Magog alliance forming. Earthquakes and natural disasters are on the rise. We can see the setup for plague, famine, war, and people are clamoring for a hero that can save the world, a messiah. The apostate church is growing, with people claiming to be Christians and denying what Christ says, having a form of godliness but denying its power.

I personally think the Rapture will be the match that sets the blaze. The balance of power will tip at that point, and many of the people who have really been holding down society, whether from above or below as the "worker bees," will disappear. The Restrainer will no longer restrain, and all hell will literally break lose.
 

athenasius

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I agree with TRex2. I was listening to a pastor who is a solid dispensational teacher pre mil pre trib and he was reminding his audience that where the Bible is not specific, we shouldn't be reading stuff into it that isn't there.

It's ok to speculate-- for example Bill Salus's books are all based on what MIGHT occur given the present circumstances but Bill and other good teachers leave it wide open for God to do other things we didn't even imagine as being the way the prophecy would be fulfilled.

In my opinion we can't say for sure if we will or won't be here for Ez 38. I've read very good teachers who land on either side, and in the middle of that war for the position of the Rapture in relation to it. I tend to think we will be gone because of how God's attention turns to the nation of Israel, and the Jewish people to show them and the world just WHO HE IS. That seems to indicate we might be gone, but as Pete Garcia recently pointed out in a recent thread-- there is a crossover period in which the Church exists and national Israel exists at the beginning of the Church age-- about 40 years before Israel is broken up and dispersed. And at this end, Israel has been a nation since 1948, and the church is still here.

So using that logic, we COULD still be here during or after the Ez 38 event. But I doubt it.

And even the Ez 38 war doesn't have a date stamp on it that means when we see the nations listed, gathering on Israel's northern border, that the Ez 38 war is next.

We might see a few localized wars in Syria/Lebanon/Gaza and we might see something happen to Iran that changes their focus from DESTROYING ISRAEL --their current desire OVER TO INVADING TO STEAL ISRAEL"S WEALTH.

That change in motive is quite important.

However Peanuts makes some very good points, which is why it could go either way, quite reasonably. In particular that sudden change in the balance of power when the Restrainer is taken out of here. At that point things that should take months or years, will boil over very suddenly.
 
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InsuranceGuy

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We may be here for another war, but I am inclined to think that the rapture will happen soon because I see so many chess pieces lining up. I also think that there will be a lull before the storm, so to speak, due to the passage in I Thessalonians where it says that people will be saying "peace and security" and sudden destruction will come upon them. People are already saying those exact words. (Seriously, look it up in the news.) The stock market is at record highs. People are marrying and being given in marriage. Morality is like the time of Noah, with scoffers asking where is His coming? People are living their daily lives as they always have with no thought of the destruction to come.

And yet, we can clearly see the Gog/Magog alliance forming. Earthquakes and natural disasters are on the rise. We can see the setup for plague, famine, war, and people are clamoring for a hero that can save the world, a messiah. The apostate church is growing, with people claiming to be Christians and denying what Christ says, having a form of godliness but denying its power.

I personally think the Rapture will be the match that sets the blaze. The balance of power will tip at that point, and many of the people who have really been holding down society, whether from above or below as the "worker bees," will disappear. The Restrainer will no longer restrain, and all hell will literally break lose.

I have agreed with this since the late 80's. I thought the Rapture absolutely would happen prior to the year 2000, then was positive it would be here in the early 2000's. When the Recession hit hard in '08, Christian message boards were filled with people thinking it would be any time. I've waited long enough to know the Rapture is on God's time. If it's today, I'm ready! If it's in another 20 years, so be it. In my mind, the pieces have been in place for decades. God wants no one in Hell. He's giving everyone time to wake up.
 

Work4Peanuts

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I have agreed with this since the late 80's. I thought the Rapture absolutely would happen prior to the year 2000, then was positive it would be here in the early 2000's. When the Recession hit hard in '08, Christian message boards were filled with people thinking it would be any time. I've waited long enough to know the Rapture is on God's time. If it's today, I'm ready! If it's in another 20 years, so be it. In my mind, the pieces have been in place for decades. God wants no one in Hell. He's giving everyone time to wake up.
Likewise. I've been expecting it for at least as long, if not longer (the 70's were a mess!) That said, if we're going by what we know of prophecy, it's pretty easy to see that we are in the season. Something tipped when Obama was president. Even unbelievers are feeling it, with people joking and talking about the end of the world/apocalypse and even the rapture for some time now.
 

Work4Peanuts

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I agree with TRex2. I was listening to a pastor who is a solid dispensational teacher pre mil pre trib and he was reminding his audience that where the Bible is not specific, we shouldn't be reading stuff into it that isn't there.

It's ok to speculate-- for example Bill Salus's books are all based on what MIGHT occur given the present circumstances but Bill and other good teachers leave it wide open for God to do other things we didn't even imagine as being the way the prophecy would be fulfilled.

In my opinion we can't say for sure if we will or won't be here for Ez 38. I've read very good teachers who land on either side, and in the middle of that war for the position of the Rapture in relation to it. I tend to think we will be gone because of how God's attention turns to the nation of Israel, and the Jewish people to show them and the world just WHO HE IS. That seems to indicate we might be gone, but as Pete Garcia recently pointed out in a recent thread-- there is a crossover period in which the Church exists and national Israel exists at the beginning of the Church age-- about 40 years before Israel is broken up and dispersed. And at this end, Israel has been a nation since 1948, and the church is still here.

So using that logic, we COULD still be here during or after the Ez 38 event. But I doubt it.

And even the Ez 38 war doesn't have a date stamp on it that means when we see the nations listed, gathering on Israel's northern border, that the Ez 38 war is next.

We might see a few localized wars in Syria/Lebanon/Gaza and we might see something happen to Iran that changes their focus from DESTROYING ISRAEL --their current desire OVER TO INVADING TO STEAL ISRAEL"S WEALTH.

That change in motive is quite important.

However Peanuts makes some very good points, which is why it could go either way, quite reasonably. In particular that sudden change in the balance of power when the Restrainer is taken out of here. At that point things that should take months or years, will boil over very suddenly.
Yeah, everything I said is personal opinion, which is why I prefaced it with plenty of "I think." I am definitely not a prophet!

I do think the church will be gone before the Ezekiel 38 war, but I wouldn't mind seeing it, either. We know who's going to win and how it's going to go down!
 

InsuranceGuy

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I agree on the season, but am almost overwhelmingly against trying to say the Rapture is 'right around the corner' as I've seen friends suffer from what I'll call Rapture Burnout and then ultimately lose interest altogether. Sometimes I think it's best to simply focus on God's word and accept that the Rapture will be whenever it occurs. I think the tipping point came prior to Obama, but it's just my thought. I think Obama showed just how strong and nasty the liberal left is, but that had been growing long before Hussein was elected. The next Democratic President will likely be much worse. I always hope we're close, but refuse to let myself get too far into that thought process.
 

InsuranceGuy

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Yeah, everything I said is personal opinion, which is why I prefaced it with plenty of "I think." I am definitely not a prophet!

I do think the church will be gone before the Ezekiel 38 war, but I wouldn't mind seeing it, either. We know who's going to win and how it's going to go down!

HAHAHAHA..… I'm right there with you. I would love to see it, but right before I get blown up by a nuke, I wanna be Raptured.
 

Work4Peanuts

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I agree on the season, but am almost overwhelmingly against trying to say the Rapture is 'right around the corner' as I've seen friends suffer from what I'll call Rapture Burnout and then ultimately lose interest altogether...
I don't think I could suffer from "Rapture Burnout!" I've been on alert for quite some time, and I only get more excited as I get older, because I know it's going to happen, and if it hasn't happened yet, then we are one day closer to the event!
How can you lose excitement over that!

But I get what you are saying. Other people read these forums who focus on a date or events and when it comes and goes, they get discouraged. I know that the rapture will take place when the fullness of Gentiles is complete. It's a number-based event that only God knows, and it is imminent. And it is entirely in His hands. That is enough for me.
 

Work4Peanuts

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HAHAHAHA..… I'm right there with you. I would love to see it, but right before I get blown up by a nuke, I wanna be Raptured.
I've always thought that I would live to see the rapture, but if I die before it, then I get to go up in the first batch of the raptured. Win-win.
Either way, it's going to happen so fast, I doubt we will have time to register in our minds that the dead have risen before the living.
 

Luke12

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I'm torn between wanting to go in the rapture and wanting other people to get saved. I've been watching ever since I read "The late great planet earth" back in the 70's. As far as "burnout" goes lets just say it all gets overwhelming and I have to disconnect for awhile until some news report sucks me back in.
BTW I distinctly remember Jimmy Swaggart saying back in the 80's that he guarantees the rapture will happen before the year 2000. I think he said that off the cuff though and didn't mean it.
 
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