Why doesn't the USA help Israel in the Gog/Magog War?

InsuranceGuy

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This is only if the Gog/Magog war is Pre-Rapture!

I have been contemplating this. The only scenario I can fathom is that the USA is put out of action, for whatever reason, prior to this planned invasion. If all the Jews from the nations of the world are going back to Israel, what would make them do so? Anti-Semitism is likely the culprit. So, in Europe, the Jews are being driven out due to the influx of migrants from the Middle East, predominantly Muslim. In the USA, we're seeing the same thing, but the Jews aren't going to leave until something drastic happens. That could be an economic crash or a sudden, very deadly, rise in anti-Semitism here.

I am just thinking out loud, but if a Democrat were to be elected next, I could fully see an anti-Jewish backlash from the Left. They are all about equality, unless you're Christian or Jewish. The Jews then start leaving the US in droves, heading home. If you Google 'Jews leaving Europe', you will see they are leaving now, but a far greater number will be leaving soon due to how they are being treated. That clears up the bulk of the Jews going home. Now, why would the USA not support Israel in her time of greatest need? I can only think of two reasons. One is the Rapture. We simply aren't here. In that case, it's quite possible the Jews flock home to Israel simply to be safe. With no Christians around, I cannot imagine the hatred they would feel. The second, and only other reason, I can think of is a war prior to Gog/Magog. If the US chooses to fight Iran and her proxies in the coming months, we could be in for a surprise. That surprise could be a much bigger fight than we anticipated. Here is where I think the "hook in the jaw" comes in. With Iran & Russia have a defense pact, if we go to war with Iran now, and Israel steps in and bombs their nuclear reactors, Russia would be obligated to do something. If not, they risk losing all the business they currently do with the Muslims, and they do a lot of that. Pressure could be put on Russia to step up or get lost.

I am beginning to think the Rapture will not be the reason the USA sits out of Gog/Magog and leaning more towards us simply not being in a position (able) to help. I can see the scenario in which we attack Iran's proxy forces and Israel does the real damage by swooping in to thoroughly destroy the reactors, leading to Russia being hooked in, even though they don't want to be. Even in this scenario though, what happened to the USA? It is unfathomable to me we would sit by while armies gathered at their doorstep. If we stepped up, it's probably not far fetched to think others would as well. Since we don't, nobody else does. I'm certain many world leaders would just as soon have Israel gone so the fighting ends. Does the USA get knocked out in the upcoming war? An EMP, an cyber attack that shuts us down or something else? If this war happens prior to the Rapture, I have to think the USA is devastated somehow prior to it beginning.
 
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Work4Peanuts

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Could be. We just don't know the future, except what is given to us in the scripture. I think though, that all that would need to happen is another Democrat in the White House paying lip-service to being Israel's friend while giving aid to her enemies, for the US to be out of the picture.

I can seriously see a socialist nightmare being foisted on us by a younger voting generation that doesn't know its history. I can also imagine any number of scenarios where the immigration crisis leaves us so broken, from letting terrorists in, to immigrants with horrible diseases that should have been quarantined, to thinning out the voter pool with illegal immigrants illegally voting themselves benefits being paid by the taxpayers, and leaving the bank, so to speak, drained dry. We're over-extended now on credit as a nation. The only reason other nations lend us money is because we have been "too big to fail." I can imagine a Yellowstone Supervolcano blowing out the country. I can also imagine that we descend into a racially charged civil war. Throw in the upcoming food crisis (if farmers can't grow food, it becomes more expensive to buy food, not just for poor people, but also the middle class) and truth be told, we really have a lot to deal with as a nation.

I think also that the United States is due for some condemnation from God merely for the evil that it has promoted worldwide from Hollywood, pop culture music and the like. Young people in other countries want to be like the Americans they see on t.v., including the greedy, indulgent, promiscuous, self-absorbed lifestyles of the "beautiful people." I don't believe that God will take action before the rapture. I think He is being very patient in that regard. But how long can we (as a nation) throw our middle fingers up at heaven parading the worst sorts of depravity in rainbow colors while attacking our most innocent defenseless citizens? It is- I seriously have no words. It's too much for me to take some days.

I see the horses in a row. I see the chess pieces on the board, and it feels like we're just waiting for the moves to begin. If I didn't have Jesus, I think that I would be horribly depressed. Even now, I pray everyday for God to give me strength just to make it through the day.
 

kathymendel

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If our nation is hit with an EMP, no one here will be going to Israel...... or anywhere for that matter. Even if not, many Jewish people here cannot afford to go Israel......... only those with money. Someone would have to step up and pay everyone's way. If the rapture should happen, there would be so much chaos personally and militarily and politically, that I don't think we could help Israel. Civil war could possibly break out..........who knows??? Our government would definitely be in utter chaos.
 

InsuranceGuy

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I would have to think after the Rapture, travel will be suspended for a while so the world can figure out who has disappeared. You are correct though, an EMP would definitely put a halt to any travel. It seems like almost any scenario (war, EMP, Rapture) would. The Bible indicates they will be returning to Israel from all the nations from which they are currently scattered. Maybe some of the wealthier Jewish folks will offer to pay for their relocation? Maybe the nation of Israel will?
 

Endangered

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I have analyzed what may happen in the US after the Rapture and it aint purty. Many businesses will fail, banks will be buried in foreclosures and the gov will be in panic over paying the 21 trillion in debt owed. The Dems will take over politics and the borders will be non existent. My guess is the result.of all this is the US is no longer a player on the world chess board.
With no support from the US, Israel begins to look very juicy as a target for the Islamists and the Russkies.
I am going out on a limb here but it may be that Gog/Magog may happen soon after the Rapture. The sooner the better because this will eliminate the Russkies from the world stage and Islam may very well be neutered.
The elimination of the Russkies means China will be the world power and this will set the stage for Armageddon and the 200 million man army marching west to Megiddo.
 

ItIsFinished!

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I believe it will be due to conditions after the Rapture.
The Rapture will devastate America the most in my opinion.
America simply won't be able to help nor have the desire to help.
The consequences that will occur due to the Rapture will be of epic proportions that no finite mind can fully grasp.
And folks, we are on the cusp of meeting our Lord and Saviour in the air/clouds.
We are most certainly at the threshold.
The sense of urgency to carry out The Great Commission is at an all time high.
Tell your family, friends, neighbors, coworkers ect...
He is coming soon.
 

mikhen7

Freed By Christ to Serve Christ
To touch on a portion of what is being discussed...God will regather Israel.

Zechariah 10:8–12 (NKJV)
8 I will whistle for them and gather them,
For I will redeem them;
And they shall increase as they once increased.
9 “I will sow them among the peoples,
And they shall remember Me in far countries;
They shall live, together with their children,
And they shall return.
10 I will also bring them back from the land of Egypt,
And gather them from Assyria.
I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon,
Until no more room is found for them.
11 He shall pass through the sea with affliction,
And strike the waves of the sea:
All the depths of the River shall dry up.
Then the pride of Assyria shall be brought down,
And the scepter of Egypt shall depart.
12 “So I will strengthen them in the Lord,
And they shall walk up and down in His name,”
Says the Lord.

And as Jesus says:
Matthew 24:31 (NKJV)

31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

mikhen7

Freed By Christ to Serve Christ
You all do realize that Israel, the Us, and Russia have been meeting in Jerusalem? Check this out. The headline:
In trilateral Jerusalem summit, Russia sides with Iran, against Israel and US
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-trilateral-summit-russia-sides-with-iran-against-israel-and-us/

The US seems to be diplomatic in the whole Gog/Magog prophecy, that is if you see them as part of the Sheba, Dedan, and Sons of Tarshish diplomatic union. I agree the Rapture happening will disable the US at least 20% of our nation will be gone, because that is all I believe are truly saved...and that is a liberal estimate.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
It could be as simple as we have a President like obama in office who hates Israel and loves Israel's enemies. The USA might still be the country with the greatest military might in the world. Afterall, the antichrist might well want the USA's military might intact for his own use. Guess we'll see... probably pretty soon, too.
 
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MePlus6

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I saw something interesting in the news the other day that made me rethink the reason why the US doesn't come to the aid of Israel for Ez 38/39.

Evidently there is some discussion in the White House about abolishing the defense agreement we have with Japan that was signed after WWII. In essence, the US would allow Japan to build its military forces and the US would no longer have a pact to defend Japan if it's attacked.

What if Trump does the same for other countries? It could be a reason why the US doesn't come to the aid of Israel.
 

InsuranceGuy

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It could be as simple as we have a President like obama in office who hates Israel and loves Israel's enemies. The USA might still be the country with the greatest military might in the world. Afterall, the antichrist might well want the USA's military might intact for his own use. Guess we'll see... probably pretty soon, too.

You are correct. My brain is always looking for answers to something we cannot possibly know ahead of time. If I were the AC, I'd want our military and our technology kept intact. When you sit and think about it, the AC would have to be crazy to not want that. It's a turn-key military if he takes it over. If we are totally destroyed, where else would the military come from to do what he will do? I guess if he has control over everything, then the militaries would all report to, and serve, his purpose. Still though, our military is probably pretty valuable to him. The question for me is how does he break the world up into regions without a rallying cry from the people to do so? Maybe a really good speech? I've always leaned towards another world war being required to get people to truly support this idea. A very short, yet very deadly, war.
 

Work4Peanuts

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You are correct. My brain is always looking for answers to something we cannot possibly know ahead of time. If I were the AC, I'd want our military and our technology kept intact. When you sit and think about it, the AC would have to be crazy to not want that. It's a turn-key military if he takes it over. If we are totally destroyed, where else would the military come from to do what he will do? I guess if he has control over everything, then the militaries would all report to, and serve, his purpose. Still though, our military is probably pretty valuable to him. The question for me is how does he break the world up into regions without a rallying cry from the people to do so? Maybe a really good speech? I've always leaned towards another world war being required to get people to truly support this idea. A very short, yet very deadly, war.
Rev 6:4- the red horse. War is definitely coming. Praise God it is after we are called to "Come up here!."
 

greg64

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By definition, the antichrist arising to full power is a post-Rapture event. What we don't know, however, is if regional consolidation will happen before then. In the case of Europe, it already has, although with fractures.

I think it's logical that Ezekiel 38 will happen pre-70th week. Perhaps that conflict, combined with the Rapture and associated economic impact will be enough of a crisis. Further, the pendulum has been swinging from globalism back somewhat to nationalism in the last few years (UK, US, Brazil, Eastern Europe). The media, celebrities, and other elites have been incessant in howling against that. I have it feeling it's going to swing back the other way hard and fast soon and there won't be any escaping when it does (other than through Christ depending on the Father's timing). Everything going on now is stage-setting and conditioning.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Still though, our military is probably pretty valuable to him. The question for me is how does he break the world up into regions without a rallying cry from the people to do so? Maybe a really good speech? I've always leaned towards another world war being required to get people to truly support this idea. A very short, yet very deadly, war.
Europe is already organized as a region with the E.U. Globalists have been doing much to try and get the other regions formed as well. The framework is written down and the efforts are underway. Why do you think it is so important to have an open border between Mexico and the USA? And what was the real reason for NAFTA? NAFTA and open borders are the foundational steps for creating one of those 10 regions. I don't understand why the plotters attached Mexico to the USA and Canada, it would seem better suited with the rest of Central and South America given the language and culture.
 

InsuranceGuy

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I agree with that. I don't know if it is still planned, but I recall reading about a super highway that was supposed to be built that ran from Mexico through Canada? That was the one thing that made me think we were all part of one region. Then you have the Club of Rome. I think that is the name. It's the charter that people say shows the world broken into ten regions?
 

InsuranceGuy

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By definition, the antichrist arising to full power is a post-Rapture event. What we don't know, however, is if regional consolidation will happen before then. In the case of Europe, it already has, although with fractures.

I think it's logical that Ezekiel 38 will happen pre-70th week. Perhaps that conflict, combined with the Rapture and associated economic impact will be enough of a crisis. Further, the pendulum has been swinging from globalism back somewhat to nationalism in the last few years (UK, US, Brazil, Eastern Europe). The media, celebrities, and other elites have been incessant in howling against that. I have it feeling it's going to swing back the other way hard and fast soon and there won't be any escaping when it does (other than through Christ depending on the Father's timing). Everything going on now is stage-setting and conditioning.

Everything going on right now seems to be happening at break-neck speed. I guess if you are not paying attention, it's just normal. To those of us watching, this is happening fast. You mentioned the pendulum swinging back the other way soon... That's where I believe a war comes in to play. Nothing seems to unite the "we are all one people" globalist crowd like a potential war. A single war could do so much for the AC. I know he is post-rapture, but it would sure help set the stage for him. I believe nations would be happy to give up autonomy to prevent another war. The economies would be in shambles, so a predecessor to the MOTB could be implemented that would eventually become mandatory. So many things could be accomplished by the globalists if a really bad war were to occur. It's sad.
 

greg64

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So many things could be accomplished by the globalists if a really bad war were to occur. It's sad.
Yep. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Having speculated about Ezekiel's timing, I wonder about Seal 2. Ezekiel could happen then, but I still think earlier to bring about the conditions necessary for a treaty to be confirmed (namely, taking care of Iran). I just don't think Iran's eschatology would allow them to agree to peace with Israel, even if as a pretense. No -- they want conflict and to force their mahdi out of hiding. If that's the case, I wonder what else is in store? North Korea? Something over what remains of Russia? Reluctant nations who don't want to become part of the new power structure? Maybe something in Indonesia or India/Pakistan? Conflict in the US? Whatever it is, I think Israel accepts the antichrist as their long-awaited messiah and the blinders don't come off on that until the halfway mark of the seven years. So seal #2 may be more with the rest of the world and less with Israel directly? Just a thought.
 

mattfivefour

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Staff member
You all do realize that Israel, the Us, and Russia have been meeting in Jerusalem? Check this out. The headline:
In trilateral Jerusalem summit, Russia sides with Iran, against Israel and US
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-trilateral-summit-russia-sides-with-iran-against-israel-and-us/

The US seems to be diplomatic in the whole Gog/Magog prophecy, that is if you see them as part of the Sheba, Dedan, and Sons of Tarshish diplomatic union. I agree the Rapture happening will disable the US at least 20% of our nation will be gone, because that is all I believe are truly saved...and that is a liberal estimate.
I agree, brother. Twenty percent is indeed liberal. In fact, some great men of God have estimated that the percentage is closer to 10 . Nonetheless, it seems clear that the United States plays no major role in the world during the final seven years and in the final battle. Something definitely happens.
 

athenasius

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The question for me is how does he break the world up into regions without a rallying cry from the people to do so?
I think they'll beg for it. And he will be happy to do it to set up that ultimate globalist dream that humanity that hates God desires so deeply.

I think once the Restrainer is removed, not only will the restraint against the AC showing up be removed, but other things too. The people left behind are those who didn't choose God. Their minds are darkened, and even those who can argue effectively against globalism will be drowned out by the cry for a one world government to "deal with future disasters".

This is a world tired of wars, that I think has just seen Ez 38 and doesn't want a repeat. The foolish activists will stir up the people to demand globalism.

The anti globalist movements that you see like America, Hungary, Poland and the like, are all having a sudden resurgence in their Biblical roots. They are opposing the invasion of Islamic militants/migrants. But look where they refer to as a reason to reject these invaders. Their history rooted in the Judeo Christian BIBLE. Even if the leaders or the people aren't believers, they are suddenly looking to the past, to their Biblical roots.

How long will that last??? Certainly if it hasn't stopped before the Rapture it surely will the minute after.

Because the Restrainer will be gone.

And the large majority of the young people plus the elders that are left behind, are the ones begging for globalism, socialism, big government, a charismatic leader.

JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE ON THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION. Pilate asked the crowd if they wanted their King, Jesus and they said loudly, drowning out any other voices, WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!

That is the heart of unregenerate unsaved humanity speaking. And that final version of Caesar is coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

Kaatje

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I think they'll beg for it. And he will be happy to do it to set up that ultimate globalist dream that humanity that hates God desires so deeply.

I think once the Restrainer is removed, not only will the restraint against the AC showing up be removed, but other things too. The people left behind are those who didn't choose God. Their minds are darkened, and even those who can argue effectively against globalism will be drowned out by the cry for a one world government to "deal with future disasters".

This is a world tired of wars, that I think has just seen Ez 38 and doesn't want a repeat. The foolish activists will stir up the people to demand globalism.

The anti globalist movements that you see like America, Hungary, Poland and the like, are all having a sudden resurgence in their Biblical roots. They are opposing the invasion of Islamic militants/migrants. But look where they refer to as a reason to reject these invaders. Their history rooted in the Judeo Christian BIBLE. Even if the leaders or the people aren't believers, they are suddenly looking to the past, to their Biblical roots.

How long will that last??? Certainly if it hasn't stopped before the Rapture it surely will the minute after.

Because the Restrainer will be gone.

And the large majority of the young people plus the elders that are left behind, are the ones begging for globalism, socialism, big government, a charismatic leader.

JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE ON THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION. Pilate asked the crowd if they wanted their King, Jesus and they said loudly, drowning out any other voices, WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!

That is the heart of unregenerate unsaved humanity speaking. And that final version of Caesar is coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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