Who Goes in the Rapture?

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Who Goes in the Rapture?
By Terry James

Listening to a man who was obviously a pastor this morning, I was thinking how clearly he was laying out the pre-Trib view of the Age of Grace and the Rapture.

I’ve never heard it presented more clearly than he was teaching it. I can’t see the screen and they didn’t announce his name. (And I probably wouldn’t mention it if I did know his name and program, because this commentary gives only partial kudos to the gentleman.)

As I was saying, the sermon was about as clearly delivered as I’ve heard. It was very simple, and right on the money, from my understanding of what God’s Word has to say about the Rapture.

The man said that, at an unknown time, Christ will call the Church into the air, where believers will forever be with our Lord. Antichrist will arise, and all will be turned into the worst times in human history back on earth, according to Jesus as recorded in the Olivet Discourse.

He then launched into thoughts based upon three questions. I don’t remember the other two because the third was the one he dwelt on—and his take on things from that point definitely piqued my discernment radar system. The question was something like: “Who goes in the Rapture?” – Meaning who will leave this planet when Jesus calls, “come up here?”

He started by saying some disagree with him — including his wife. She believes, he said, that all Christians will go to be with the Lord when the Rapture occurs. The man then said that he believes Christians who don’t believe in the pre-Trib Rapture are likely to stay while those who do believe in the pre-Trib Rapture will go when Christ calls.

To restate, he said those who believe in the pre-Trib view are the ones who go to Christ at that great event, and Christians who don’t believe will be left behind. He muddled it all by saying only believers will go, and indicated that he believes all others who are Christians will be left behind with the lost of the world to go through the Tribulation.

This, of course, is all part of what is called the “partial Rapture” theory. He was not preaching the pre-Trib position, although he evidently thought he was.

I was taken aback that, after laying out such a clear position on the pre-Trib Rapture, he veered so dramatically by saying something the Bible doesn’t teach.

The Rapture is a powerful and absolute doctrine taught in God’s Holy Word. But belief in the Rapture is not, I repeat not, the prerequisite for what it takes to be part of the millions of Christians who will be lifted in a millisecond of time when Christ says: “Come up here!”

I can’t remember the preacher’s Scripture to back up that some Christians will be left behind because of not believing in the pre-Trib Rapture, because I wasn’t taking notes. But the Scripture, I do remember, was taken out of context and used in his mistaken view.

The way he explained his view, it’s what a Christian believes that matters. That is, the person must believe in the pre-Trib Rapture. He never mentioned, that I heard, that it’s whom they believe in that matters. It is in whom the person believes — period — that makes the person part of those who will instantaneously evacuate this doomed planet at the Lord’s call.

Didn’t Jesus tell us, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the father but by me”? I hear nothing in that statement other than “Jesus is the only way.”

Belief in anything other is a false concept — even a deadly one. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that covers our sin — past, present, and future.

So, to believe in anyone or anything besides Jesus for salvation misses the mark and dooms one to Hell, apart from God forever.

Paul the apostle makes it very clear about in whom people must believe to be saved. We use this passage, as you know, quite frequently. I don’t want people to miss what is required to go to the Father, rather than to the other place.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” – (Romans 10:9–10)

The same Paul tells about the Rapture of the Church. He lays out very clearly exactly who will go to Christ when He calls us.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” – (1 Corinthians 15:51–52)

Paul further says the following:

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” – (1 Thessalonians 4:16–18)

Paul did not write that “some” will go when Christ calls. He said “all” (believers) will go in that glorious moment to be with their Lord. And we are to “comfort” ourselves with that assurance.

If you truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are saved. Nothing and nobody can ever take you out of God’s mighty hand (read Romans 8:38-39 for proof from God’s Word).

The greatest question for you, personally, is: Will you be one who goes to Jesus when He calls all Christians into the air? Only you can answer. We prayerfully hope you can answer a resounding “yes!” Believe me, everything happening points to the reality that his call will happen at any moment!

“And when you see all these things begin to come to pass, then look up and lift up your head; for your redemption draweth nigh.” – (Luke 21:28)

— Terry

https://www.raptureforums.com/rapture/who-goes-in-the-rapture/
 

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Paul did not write that “some” will go when Christ calls. He said “all” (believers) will go in that glorious moment to be with their Lord. And we are to “comfort” ourselves with that assurance.

Yes, and neither did Jesus say, "Believe in me and, oh by the way, believe in the Rapture too if you want to see me again."

He said,

“Your heart must not be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if not, I would have told you. I am going away to prepare a place for you. If I go away and prepare a place for you, I will come back and receive you to Myself, so that where I am you may be also. You know the way to where I am going.

John 14:1-4
 

DanLMP

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In my mind the objective here is to maximize the amount of people in God's House, not minimize it.

This whole concept of imagining you are part of some select group smacks of a type of elitism which doesn't sound very Christian. We should really be praying, though we know that Scripture doesn't support it, is that all 8 billionish people get saved at some point.
 

JoyJoyJoy

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you truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are saved. Nothing and nobody can ever take you out of God’s mighty hand (read Romans 8:38-39
I recently heard it described as a package...when you believe in Jesus, you are saved, and with that package comes your ticket to participate in the Rapture...a Salvation Package is yours and no one can take it away.

Of course the teacher that I was watching said it much better.
 

GotGrace

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Who Goes in the Rapture?
By Terry James

Listening to a man who was obviously a pastor this morning, I was thinking how clearly he was laying out the pre-Trib view of the Age of Grace and the Rapture.

I’ve never heard it presented more clearly than he was teaching it. I can’t see the screen and they didn’t announce his name. (And I probably wouldn’t mention it if I did know his name and program, because this commentary gives only partial kudos to the gentleman.)

As I was saying, the sermon was about as clearly delivered as I’ve heard. It was very simple, and right on the money, from my understanding of what God’s Word has to say about the Rapture.

The man said that, at an unknown time, Christ will call the Church into the air, where believers will forever be with our Lord. Antichrist will arise, and all will be turned into the worst times in human history back on earth, according to Jesus as recorded in the Olivet Discourse.

He then launched into thoughts based upon three questions. I don’t remember the other two because the third was the one he dwelt on—and his take on things from that point definitely piqued my discernment radar system. The question was something like: “Who goes in the Rapture?” – Meaning who will leave this planet when Jesus calls, “come up here?”

He started by saying some disagree with him — including his wife. She believes, he said, that all Christians will go to be with the Lord when the Rapture occurs. The man then said that he believes Christians who don’t believe in the pre-Trib Rapture are likely to stay while those who do believe in the pre-Trib Rapture will go when Christ calls.

To restate, he said those who believe in the pre-Trib view are the ones who go to Christ at that great event, and Christians who don’t believe will be left behind. He muddled it all by saying only believers will go, and indicated that he believes all others who are Christians will be left behind with the lost of the world to go through the Tribulation.

This, of course, is all part of what is called the “partial Rapture” theory. He was not preaching the pre-Trib position, although he evidently thought he was.

I was taken aback that, after laying out such a clear position on the pre-Trib Rapture, he veered so dramatically by saying something the Bible doesn’t teach.

The Rapture is a powerful and absolute doctrine taught in God’s Holy Word. But belief in the Rapture is not, I repeat not, the prerequisite for what it takes to be part of the millions of Christians who will be lifted in a millisecond of time when Christ says: “Come up here!”

I can’t remember the preacher’s Scripture to back up that some Christians will be left behind because of not believing in the pre-Trib Rapture, because I wasn’t taking notes. But the Scripture, I do remember, was taken out of context and used in his mistaken view.

The way he explained his view, it’s what a Christian believes that matters. That is, the person must believe in the pre-Trib Rapture. He never mentioned, that I heard, that it’s whom they believe in that matters. It is in whom the person believes — period — that makes the person part of those who will instantaneously evacuate this doomed planet at the Lord’s call.

Didn’t Jesus tell us, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the father but by me”? I hear nothing in that statement other than “Jesus is the only way.”

Belief in anything other is a false concept — even a deadly one. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that covers our sin — past, present, and future.

So, to believe in anyone or anything besides Jesus for salvation misses the mark and dooms one to Hell, apart from God forever.

Paul the apostle makes it very clear about in whom people must believe to be saved. We use this passage, as you know, quite frequently. I don’t want people to miss what is required to go to the Father, rather than to the other place.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” – (Romans 10:9–10)

The same Paul tells about the Rapture of the Church. He lays out very clearly exactly who will go to Christ when He calls us.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” – (1 Corinthians 15:51–52)

Paul further says the following:

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” – (1 Thessalonians 4:16–18)

Paul did not write that “some” will go when Christ calls. He said “all” (believers) will go in that glorious moment to be with their Lord. And we are to “comfort” ourselves with that assurance.

If you truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are saved. Nothing and nobody can ever take you out of God’s mighty hand (read Romans 8:38-39 for proof from God’s Word).

The greatest question for you, personally, is: Will you be one who goes to Jesus when He calls all Christians into the air? Only you can answer. We prayerfully hope you can answer a resounding “yes!” Believe me, everything happening points to the reality that his call will happen at any moment!

“And when you see all these things begin to come to pass, then look up and lift up your head; for your redemption draweth nigh.” – (Luke 21:28)

— Terry

https://www.raptureforums.com/rapture/who-goes-in-the-rapture/
What a strange concept - if you don’t believe in pre-trib then you will stay behind.
 

Neohistory

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I think maybe what verse he was thinking about the man used was Matthew 25. The 10 virgins and 5 had oil in their lamps, and 5 foolish ones did not. I have had that quoted to me as justification for this partial rapture theory.

Jesus is the oil. JESUS is always the answer. The partial rapture theory adds works, so the 5 with oil in their lamps, is mistaken as the oil being belief in the pre trib rapture. It’s not their own “oil” (their works of believing the pre trib rapture) its belief in Jesus as clearly stated in the verses given by Terry here. I think this is what he was referring to in saying he wasn’t sure which verses this man used to justify it. The 5 foolish would be those who don’t actually have belief in Jesus, and thus aren’t ready for the pre trib rapture. If this verse isn’t the one, I’m not sure which others have been used, as this is the one that’s been given to me as justification for partial rapture theory
 
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Andy C

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I think maybe what verse he was thinking about the man used was Matthew 25. The 10 virgins and 5 had oil in their lamps, and 5 foolish ones did not. I have had that quoted to me as justification for this partial rapture theory.

Jesus is the oil. JESUS is always the answer. The partial rapture theory adds works, so the 5 with oil in their lamps, is mistaken as the oil being belief in the pre trib rapture. It’s not their own “oil” (their works of believing the pre trib rapture) its belief in Jesus as clearly stated in the verses given by Terry here. I think this is what he was referring to in saying he wasn’t sure which verses this man used to justify it. The 5 foolish would be those who don’t actually have belief in Jesus, and thus aren’t ready for the pre trib rapture. If this verse isn’t the one, I’m not sure which others have been used, as this is the one that’a been given to me as justification for partial rapture theory
The parable of the ten virgins refers to the time of His second coming at the end of the tribulation, not pre rapture timing. During the tribulation those who become believers will have to maintain their faith until the end, and the five foolish virgins did not do so. They were unprepared for His return.
 

Neohistory

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The parable of the ten virgins refers to the time of His second coming at the end of the tribulation, not pre rapture timing. During the tribulation those who become believers will have to maintain their faith until the end, and the five foolish virgins did not do so. They were unprepared for His return.
Hmm I need to dive into some more, there are a lot of tribulation saints who die. Is there anyone specific that goes into this that might help in understanding it being about the tribulation? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just never heard of it being linked to the tribulation, unless I’m way behind
 

Andy C

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Hmm I need to dive into some more, there are a lot of tribulation saints who die. Is there anyone specific that goes into this that might help in understanding it being about the tribulation? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just never heard of it being linked to the tribulation, unless I’m way behind

This parable was given in His Olivet Discourse, which is referring to the times just before his second coming, and immediately after, not the rapture or pre rapture.

Question: Re: your article “The Parable of the Ten Virgins.” If oil represents the Holy Spirit then how did the foolish virgins have it in the beginning and run out. How is it possible to run out of the Holy Spirit, and then go get more. Did they run out of the Holy Spirit and lose their salvation?

Answer: As you know, I believe that the parable of the 10 virgins speaks about a time on Earth just after the 2nd Coming, and that these 10 represent Tribulation survivors.

During the Church Age the Holy Spirit is sealed within believers as a guarantee of our inheritance (Ephes. 1:13-14). But only the church is promised this and the Church will be long gone by this time.

No such guarantee is mentioned for Tribulation believers. In fact Rev. 16:15specifically warns them to stay awake and maintain their righteousness, symbolized by keeping their clothes with them. (Clothing is often used to represent righteousness, as in Isaiah 61:10).
Rev. 16:15 implies that Tribulation believers are responsible for remaining steadfast in their faith to avoid losing their salvation. Matt. 25:8 agrees, telling us that all 10 virgins had oil in their lamps at the beginning, but the five foolish ones didn’t have enough to carry them through.

All 10 fell asleep and their lamps were in danger of going out. Only 5 had the ability to replenish their lamps with oil they had brought, and refused to lend any to the others. (You can’t “lend” the Holy Spirit to someone.)

So yes, the parable would seem to indicate that Tribulation believers are not promised eternal security and the five who fell asleep spiritually did not have time to restore their salvation when they finally woke up and found that the Lord had returned. It was too late.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-parable-of-the-10-virgins/
 

Neohistory

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This parable was given in His Olivet Discourse, which is referring to the times just before his second coming, and immediately after, not the rapture or pre rapture.

Question: Re: your article “The Parable of the Ten Virgins.” If oil represents the Holy Spirit then how did the foolish virgins have it in the beginning and run out. How is it possible to run out of the Holy Spirit, and then go get more. Did they run out of the Holy Spirit and lose their salvation?

Answer: As you know, I believe that the parable of the 10 virgins speaks about a time on Earth just after the 2nd Coming, and that these 10 represent Tribulation survivors.

During the Church Age the Holy Spirit is sealed within believers as a guarantee of our inheritance (Ephes. 1:13-14). But only the church is promised this and the Church will be long gone by this time.

No such guarantee is mentioned for Tribulation believers. In fact Rev. 16:15specifically warns them to stay awake and maintain their righteousness, symbolized by keeping their clothes with them. (Clothing is often used to represent righteousness, as in Isaiah 61:10).
Rev. 16:15 implies that Tribulation believers are responsible for remaining steadfast in their faith to avoid losing their salvation. Matt. 25:8 agrees, telling us that all 10 virgins had oil in their lamps at the beginning, but the five foolish ones didn’t have enough to carry them through.

All 10 fell asleep and their lamps were in danger of going out. Only 5 had the ability to replenish their lamps with oil they had brought, and refused to lend any to the others. (You can’t “lend” the Holy Spirit to someone.)

So yes, the parable would seem to indicate that Tribulation believers are not promised eternal security and the five who fell asleep spiritually did not have time to restore their salvation when they finally woke up and found that the Lord had returned. It was too late.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-parable-of-the-10-virgins/
Thank you very much! I will be reading up more on this. Watching Dr Andy Woods and seeing if he went into it, he’s been a really big help and I really like how he lays it out. Appreciate your time
 

daygo

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Thank you very much! I will be reading up more on this. Watching Dr Andy Woods and seeing if he went into it, he’s been a really big help and I really like how he lays it out. Appreciate your time
I have just seen Andy Woods version today and he thinks this parable is about Israel, those in the tribulation and about the jews who are believers and those that are not, he takes it from the jews that are two thirds and one third that are in the tribulation. Do not feel I have communicated this right. The video is about the rapture part 10 and about 15 or so minutes in.
Have seen some of Andy woods videos and their are a few of his views a little different from the rest, egs are ezekiel 38/39, Mathew ch. 25 1-13, and 14-20 some of the parables eg wise servant, where two are, one will be taken the other left. These are what I have noticed up to now there are more, so I am a bit dubious about him not overly worried but just think he has some rather different takes on a lot of scripture, again I could be wrong however I agree with Jack Kelly which is taken from the above.
 

Neohistory

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I have just seen Andy Woods version today and he thinks this parable is about Israel, those in the tribulation and about the jews who are believers and those that are not, he takes it from the jews that are two thirds and one third that are in the tribulation. Do not feel I have communicated this right. The video is about the rapture part 10 and about 15 or so minutes in.
Have seen some of Andy woods videos and their are a few of his views a little different from the rest, egs are ezekiel 38/39, Mathew ch. 25 1-13, and 14-20 some of the parables eg wise servant, where two are, one will be taken the other left. These are what I have noticed up to now there are more, so I am a bit dubious about him not overly worried but just think he has some rather different takes on a lot of scripture, again I could be wrong however I agree with Jack Kelly which is taken from the above.
Totally understand where you are coming from. I was just guessing what verse may have been used about this partial rapture theory, as that’s what’s been used before when I had a discussion about it with someone who argued it. I’m stepping back from it as a discussion, as I’m not really arguing one way or another now that I think about it. As always, belief in Jesus is the number 1 most important thing, so I take comfort in knowing my salvation is secure. Some of these other things may not be 100% until they actually happen, as we do our best to fully understand with our limited minds.
 

Everlasting Life

Through Faith in Jesus
As always, belief in Jesus is the number 1 most important thing....

Yes, the best foundation to have and always stand on. Faith in Jesus is the open door to everything else.

I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture.

John 10:9


This is a great thread, I'm enjoying the wisdom God has given everyone here. :)
 

Jan51

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This parable was given in His Olivet Discourse, which is referring to the times just before his second coming, and immediately after, not the rapture or pre rapture.

Question: Re: your article “The Parable of the Ten Virgins.” If oil represents the Holy Spirit then how did the foolish virgins have it in the beginning and run out. How is it possible to run out of the Holy Spirit, and then go get more. Did they run out of the Holy Spirit and lose their salvation?

Answer: As you know, I believe that the parable of the 10 virgins speaks about a time on Earth just after the 2nd Coming, and that these 10 represent Tribulation survivors.

During the Church Age the Holy Spirit is sealed within believers as a guarantee of our inheritance (Ephes. 1:13-14). But only the church is promised this and the Church will be long gone by this time.

No such guarantee is mentioned for Tribulation believers. In fact Rev. 16:15specifically warns them to stay awake and maintain their righteousness, symbolized by keeping their clothes with them. (Clothing is often used to represent righteousness, as in Isaiah 61:10).
Rev. 16:15 implies that Tribulation believers are responsible for remaining steadfast in their faith to avoid losing their salvation. Matt. 25:8 agrees, telling us that all 10 virgins had oil in their lamps at the beginning, but the five foolish ones didn’t have enough to carry them through.

All 10 fell asleep and their lamps were in danger of going out. Only 5 had the ability to replenish their lamps with oil they had brought, and refused to lend any to the others. (You can’t “lend” the Holy Spirit to someone.)

So yes, the parable would seem to indicate that Tribulation believers are not promised eternal security and the five who fell asleep spiritually did not have time to restore their salvation when they finally woke up and found that the Lord had returned. It was too late.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-parable-of-the-10-virgins/
To this explanation I would add, context. Mat. 24 lays out tribulation events, then the second coming. Mat. 25 speaks of the instituting of the kingdom, which happens next.

1. Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom.

Another time clue is in 10.

10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came; and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast: and the door was shut.

The wedding feast happens after the wedding.
Also, the bride is not mentioned in this parable, but there is obviously a bride. The ten virgins are not said to be the bride, but friends of the bride, waiting to celebrate with her:
Psalms 45:13-14
The King's daughter is all glorious within; her clothing is interwoven with gold. She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to you.

11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, "Lord, Lord, open up for us."
12 But he answered, "Truly I say to you, I do not know you."

Believers in the church age have the seal of the indwelling Holy Spirit and cannot lose their salvation. This is not the church.

Looking at the continuing context, 14, For it is just like a man about to go on a journey..." and it goes on to tell how the man rewards his faithful servants when he returns. Again, this is about Christ returning for His kingdom and what will happen at that time.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
To this explanation I would add, context. Mat. 24 lays out tribulation events, then the second coming. Mat. 25 speaks of the instituting of the kingdom, which happens next.

1. Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom.

Another time clue is in 10.

10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came; and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast: and the door was shut.

The wedding feast happens after the wedding.
Also, the bride is not mentioned in this parable, but there is obviously a bride. The ten virgins are not said to be the bride, but friends of the bride, waiting to celebrate with her:
Psalms 45:13-14
The King's daughter is all glorious within; her clothing is interwoven with gold. She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to you.

11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, "Lord, Lord, open up for us."
12 But he answered, "Truly I say to you, I do not know you."

Believers in the church age have the seal of the indwelling Holy Spirit and cannot lose their salvation. This is not the church.

Looking at the continuing context, 14, For it is just like a man about to go on a journey..." and it goes on to tell how the man rewards his faithful servants when he returns. Again, this is about Christ returning for His kingdom and what will happen at that time.
Yep agree, the big clue in all of this is that the church is referred to as the bride of Christ
 
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