Where Have All My Watchmen Gone?

God's Servant

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Nope. I'm just a speck of dust. A monsterous sinner saved by grace, who is nothing without the Lord. I don't want to be a chosen one or anything, or a prophet because it's too much responsibility. Nor do I ever wish to take a title, even if the Lord puts me ministry. When I see others claim Prophet or Apostle it makes me cringe so much. I completely understand where you are coming from on that front. We are in agreement on that, damn titles!

I'm just sick of denominations, and the infighting. Really tired. I wish we could be of one accord. It hurts my heart so much. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm able through God to admit I could be wrong. But my faith and love for Him is unshakable, I will keep praying for this country and the lost, even if the Word says everything is going to darkness.
 

God's Servant

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Look. I don't want any of this strife. I'm sorry if I'm causing it. I ask that we all stay in prayer to God and He will guide us into all truth. Because that's what I seek too, I don't want anything of this world, especially the lies nor the titles that people flaunt. I'm married to Jesus now, the love I feel for Him in a way is how I used to feel when I'd fall head over heals for someone when I was young but it much much stronger and pure. I am becoming so submissive to Him I now know what it feels like to be a wife. I truly love Him, and I am very concerned of falling for false doctorine, and at times it's overwhelming because there is so much of it.

I do know my love for Him is real, and my faith, even if I am wrong about everything else, I know at least I'm saved. So I do not want you to think I'm a wolf and am proclaiming to be a prophet. I am not speaking for Him, I'm speaking from my heart which is aching daily.

But I will keep my eye on my Husband, and if I am wrong, God will convict me of it and I will repent.

So if I have offended you in anyway, forgive me.
 

Andy C

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Look. I don't want any of this strife. I'm sorry if I'm causing it. I ask that we all stay in prayer to God and He will guide us into all truth. Because that's what I seek too, I don't want anything of this world, especially the lies nor the titles that people flaunt. I'm married to Jesus now, the love I feel for Him in a way is how I used to feel when I'd fall head over heals for someone when I was young but it much much stronger and pure. I am becoming so submissive to Him I now know what it feels like to be a wife. I truly love Him, and I am very concerned of falling for false doctorine, and at times it's overwhelming because there is so much of it.

I do know my love for Him is real, and my faith, even if I am wrong about everything else, I know at least I'm saved. So I do not want you to think I'm a wolf and am proclaiming to be a prophet. I am not speaking for Him, I'm speaking from my heart which is aching daily.

But I will keep my eye on my Husband, and if I am wrong, God will convict me of it and I will repent.

So if I have offended you in anyway, forgive me.
I dont think you have been offensive at all. I do need to be honest here - Im not sure if I should strive to have the passion you have, or advise you to seek counseling.
 

LisaJoe1986

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Look. I don't want any of this strife. I'm sorry if I'm causing it. I ask that we all stay in prayer to God and He will guide us into all truth. Because that's what I seek too, I don't want anything of this world, especially the lies nor the titles that people flaunt. I'm married to Jesus now, the love I feel for Him in a way is how I used to feel when I'd fall head over heals for someone when I was young but it much much stronger and pure. I am becoming so submissive to Him I now know what it feels like to be a wife. I truly love Him, and I am very concerned of falling for false doctorine, and at times it's overwhelming because there is so much of it.

I do know my love for Him is real, and my faith, even if I am wrong about everything else, I know at least I'm saved. So I do not want you to think I'm a wolf and am proclaiming to be a prophet. I am not speaking for Him, I'm speaking from my heart which is aching daily.

But I will keep my eye on my Husband, and if I am wrong, God will convict me of it and I will repent.

So if I have offended you in anyway, forgive me.
Honestly, this forum will HELP you to stay on the narrow path. These people on here know their bibles. Really all we can do is our very best to keep from wrong teaching, seek Jesus in all we do, hold everything up to His word, and pray for forgiveness when we have gone astray a bit in doctrine. Remaining humble is huge! I totally relate to where you are and I think many here can also relate. It feels like a very heavy burden to know what is coming and see so many who are deluded into thinking life will continue on as usual. Last year when I was awakened, I could barely function for about 2 months, and then I decided to dig in and learn as much as I could, so I could intelligently teach others. Too bad no one wants to learn. It is a super small audience. God bless you in your endeavors to save a lost world.
 

God's Servant

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I dont think you have been offensive at all. I do need to be honest here - Im not sure if I should strive to have the passion you have, or advise you to seek counseling.
Hah. I am asking God to tell me if I have completely lost my mind. Because I am struggling to know who is real. But if I have it's for Jesus, and no man can counsel me.

But don't take any of my word except seek God in prayer and ask Him yourself.
 

maryrae

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no man can counsel me.
Brother, please, I implore you, be careful. Your wording comes across to me as being prideful. Perhaps I am wrong and you just don't know how to express yourself in the post. I'm truly sorry if this seems harsh to you, but if you are wanting to learn & seek fellowship with like-minded people, who also love Jesus, you (and all of us here) must be open to learning from others and receiving counsel.
 

athenasius

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I agree with Mary and Andy, we don't want you to fall ill. God's design of us, we are but flesh and blood. We get exhausted, we need to rest, even Jesus got weary in His human body.

The watchman calling isn't unique or special. It's for all the body of Christ thru the ages.

One way the enemy can work to destroy us, to silence us, is to make us crazy or sound crazy. How he does that is by first isolating us from other Christians.

One reason we are to assemble together not forsaking that assembling, is to keep us from going off the path from one extreme to the other. Unfortunately there is no real substitute for real face to face Christian fellowship that keeps us accountable. This online group can help, but it's sometimes hard to read between the lines, what people are saying, how they are saying it.

Know this, that people here want the best for you. We can give a warning, but it is so easy for the enemy to say, oh they don't get it, they don't understand or to say, just continue in your lonely calling.

Thing is God doesn't give us a lonely calling. Satan is the one who pulls us away from the flock telling us that God has given us something unique == a call to be alone.

He sent His disciples out 2 by 2, and He inspired Paul to warn Christians not to forsake the assembling of themselves together ESPECIALLY as we see the day approaching.

Back in the Dark Ages, the Catholic church went further off the rails when they started to approve of solitary mystics the so called Desert Fathers. Those solitary monks wrote some very bad stuff that came from the enemy. They were away and apart from the usual forms of correction within the body because they got sucked into the lie of Satan that they needed to be alone to hear God.

Another way the enemy works is to get you so tired you can't see straight. Maybe it's reduced sleep due to sleeping problems. Some people think it's from God that they wake at 3 am to pray.

I remember someone who taught that. She sounded so holy. But in actual fact, it's a sign of sleep disturbance. Everyone begins to wake up a bit around 3 am, just like everyone has a slightly sleepy period around 2-3 pm in the daytime. It's normal body functioning. But sometimes due to health reasons, or even a racing mind, or age (where sleep gets harder) we can wake up at 3 am, and think that is a call to pray.

Sometimes it is.

But often it's just an over tired body and mind, that are losing normal sleep habits. Sleep disturbance is one to watch out for.

there's other stuff that can derail a Christian but be cautious of anything that has you thinking you are special or different or that your call involves loneliness as a routine thing.

I'm a hermit type myself, and I have health issues, but I have friends and family that I love and can count on to pray (and family that I can't count on, and need to be wary of).

Keep these things in mind and don't be afraid to get checked out at the dr. If they recommend help, take it. We are frail humans but God has blessed us with relationships and medical help and the Word of God all of which keep us from getting singled out by the enemy, and picked off.
 

God's Servant

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Brother, please, I implore you, be careful. Your wording comes across to me as being prideful. Perhaps I am wrong and you just don't know how to express yourself in the post. I'm truly sorry if this seems harsh to you, but if you are wanting to learn & seek fellowship with like-minded people, who also love Jesus, you (and all of us here) must be open to learning from others and receiving counsel.
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Oh, I mean as in a non-spiritual man cant counsel me. Like a therapist who doesn't believe in God. I'm actually seeking mentorship. I'm sorry I wasn't precise enough. And I probably misunderstood when counsel was mentioned, I took it as "you're too passionate you need professional psych help". So I misread. Forgive me.

I am constantly checking myself to make sure I have denied myself least I fall into the same snare as the devil. I check all my motivations to make sure they are all to please God. And God who searches the hearts and minds of men knows for sure if I am pure in intent. He is constantly correcting me. But do you understand how frustrating it is when their are a bunch of different denominations and each one is calling each other a liar, false prophets, etc and honestly I don't know who to trust. And yes it makes me lonely, and then I feel like maybe there is something wrong with me. But honestly the best thing you can do for me is stand in the gap through prayer.

Oh Lord this is not getting us anywhere. There is no profit in this. Can we please just seek the Lord and pray for one another and not let this be turned into a wild accusation trial? Can we please just stop.
 
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God's Servant

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I agree with Mary and Andy, we don't want you to fall ill. God's design of us, we are but flesh and blood. We get exhausted, we need to rest, even Jesus got weary in His human body.

The watchman calling isn't unique or special. It's for all the body of Christ thru the ages.

One way the enemy can work to destroy us, to silence us, is to make us crazy or sound crazy. How he does that is by first isolating us from other Christians.

One reason we are to assemble together not forsaking that assembling, is to keep us from going off the path from one extreme to the other. Unfortunately there is no real substitute for real face to face Christian fellowship that keeps us accountable. This online group can help, but it's sometimes hard to read between the lines, what people are saying, how they are saying it.

Know this, that people here want the best for you. We can give a warning, but it is so easy for the enemy to say, oh they don't get it, they don't understand or to say, just continue in your lonely calling.

Thing is God doesn't give us a lonely calling. Satan is the one who pulls us away from the flock telling us that God has given us something unique == a call to be alone.

He sent His disciples out 2 by 2, and He inspired Paul to warn Christians not to forsake the assembling of themselves together ESPECIALLY as we see the day approaching.

Back in the Dark Ages, the Catholic church went further off the rails when they started to approve of solitary mystics the so called Desert Fathers. Those solitary monks wrote some very bad stuff that came from the enemy. They were away and apart from the usual forms of correction within the body because they got sucked into the lie of Satan that they needed to be alone to hear God.

Another way the enemy works is to get you so tired you can't see straight. Maybe it's reduced sleep due to sleeping problems. Some people think it's from God that they wake at 3 am to pray.

I remember someone who taught that. She sounded so holy. But in actual fact, it's a sign of sleep disturbance. Everyone begins to wake up a bit around 3 am, just like everyone has a slightly sleepy period around 2-3 pm in the daytime. It's normal body functioning. But sometimes due to health reasons, or even a racing mind, or age (where sleep gets harder) we can wake up at 3 am, and think that is a call to pray.

Sometimes it is.

But often it's just an over tired body and mind, that are losing normal sleep habits. Sleep disturbance is one to watch out for.

there's other stuff that can derail a Christian but be cautious of anything that has you thinking you are special or different or that your call involves loneliness as a routine thing.

I'm a hermit type myself, and I have health issues, but I have friends and family that I love and can count on to pray (and family that I can't count on, and need to be wary of).

Keep these things in mind and don't be afraid to get checked out at the dr. If they recommend help, take it. We are frail humans but God has blessed us with relationships and medical help and the Word of God all of which keep us from getting singled out by the enemy, and picked off.
I don't want to be special or even have a calling. It's a huge burden, and you're despised and hated by most and it's lonely. I would rather there be a thousand people around here who Love the Lord like I do and have the passion for souls. Trust me, I don't want it.
 

maryrae

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I don't know if I've ever shared this on this Forum or not, but there was once upon a time where I thought that I had a special assignment/calling.
I was leader in our intercessory prayer group that we had a few years back at our church.
Thinking back on it now, it had developed a very NAR/Kingdom Now feel to it, but I was in the thick of it, until....... it started to affect me emotionally, mentally & physically. I had very subtly been introduced to a spirit of pride by the Enemy. I started to feel like I was special, like I had a special job to do. I also got very burdened by what was said to be happening in the congregation, all supposedly not good, with spirit of this or that supposedly manifesting. I allowed all this to burden me down thinking I had to "fix it" by interceding constantly for these always "out there" never concrete situations. This was until I finally listen to God's Spirit who had been trying to tell me to stop it, by allowing me to get worn out & worn down. It was as if He had given me a good solid rebuke! "Mary, who's church do you think this is? yours? or mine?" I humbly confessed...and with GREAT relief said.."Yours!" I stopped leading the group, even stopped praying so much, and left things in the Lord's hands. It was amazing how God took care of things from then on and now, still is!...oh and the NAR stuff went by the wayside when the NAR leaning members left over the years. I won't say that some error still rears its head, but, for the most part...I love the church we go to.

I think we all are called to be watchmen, and I do know from experience that God wants us to rest when we need to and take care of ourselves, after all, He did too, when He was here on earth!
 

athenasius

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Like Mary, in that NAR church we were exe'd out of in '98, I was in an intercessory group led by a woman who insisted that she was being awakened at 3:33 am every morning to pray. She tied that into a verse in the OT. it was typical of that church, very odd individual interpretations of Scripture that were leading to chaos and confusion.

She was an odd duck, and until George gave her a piece of his mind, she was trying to get me to serve more and more time in her "ministry" at the expense of what I needed to do at home, homeschooling our teens, helping with a number of other ministries as well, that I was called to do. George set her straight.

But 2 marriages of 2 other women crumbled under her vision of ministry as she made more and more demands on them. She wanted to build a 24-7 intercessory prayer team on the model of Mike Bickle. She did. But I don't think she and her "vision" were blameless in the divorces of those weak women who followed her (and whose husbands didn't bellow at her to back off or else, on the phone). Their husbands tried but failed to get their wives to back away out of that "ministry" and she kept telling the women to follow God and not their husbands. That their husbands were "carnally minded". So they followed her, and their husbands didn't confront her, they simply gave up.

The Bible says
2 Peter 1:20 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,

Which if I'd thought of it at the time, I'd have pointed out to her that our normal body rhythm allows for a period of more wakefulness in our sleep cycles around 3 am and that she shouldn't force a new meaning out of an OT passage, just because it had Chapter 3 verse 33 on it.

And that would include any private interpretation that makes us think we are somehow different from regular Christians. And anything that makes us spiritualize loneliness, isolation and removing ourselves from the normal accountability to other Christians.

There are lots of Spiritual sounding "voices" out there, some that sound like God is talking to us. We have to remain humble, check in with our brothers and sisters in the Lord, and not get puffed up with something that sounds like God but is effectively pulling us away from fellowship.

I don't despise or hate you, I am worried for you. The fact that you think your love for the lost is more than other Christians here, that our passion for souls is lesser does sound a bit worrisome.
 

LisaJoe1986

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I don't know if I've ever shared this on this Forum or not, but there was once upon a time where I thought that I had a special assignment/calling.
I was leader in our intercessory prayer group that we had a few years back at our church.
Thinking back on it now, it had developed a very NAR/Kingdom Now feel to it, but I was in the thick of it, until....... it started to affect me emotionally, mentally & physically. I had very subtly been introduced to a spirit of pride by the Enemy. I started to feel like I was special, like I had a special job to do. I also got very burdened by what was said to be happening in the congregation, all supposedly not good, with spirit of this or that supposedly manifesting. I allowed all this to burden me down thinking I had to "fix it" by interceding constantly for these always "out there" never concrete situations. This was until I finally listen to God's Spirit who had been trying to tell me to stop it, by allowing me to get worn out & worn down. It was as if He had given me a good solid rebuke! "Mary, who's church do you think this is? yours? or mine?" I humbly confessed...and with GREAT relief said.."Yours!" I stopped leading the group, even stopped praying so much, and left things in the Lord's hands. It was amazing how God took care of things from then on and now, still is!...oh and the NAR stuff went by the wayside when the NAR leaning members left over the years. I won't say that some error still rears its head, but, for the most part...I love the church we go to.

I think we all are called to be watchmen, and I do know from experience that God wants us to rest when we need to and take care of ourselves, after all, He did too, when He was here on earth!
My hubby and I attended an NAR church that we ran from. While we were there, we were the toilet-scrubbing chair-stackers that watched from afar as the true "annointed ones" did the work that got all the attention. I never felt up to par spiritually as them. Now, looking back, I am super thankful to the Lord that He did not allow us to get into the position of spiritual leadership. I am okay with toilet scrubbing and have actually made a decent living owning a cleaning company. Having a clean toilet is a huge blessing.
 

Footsteps

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Even Jesus had to rest. Often this involved separating himself from a group - even if it was His own disciples. His was an Earthly mission that could not afford the loss burnout would have caused. But then He returned to his friends to teach and fellowship.
It's been about fifty years since I read The Late Great Planet Earth, which launched my interest in eschatology. My evangelical "gimmick" has been getting people to see the dramatic parallels between Bible prophecy and today's news. But I have to report the eye-rolling that everyone on this site has experienced. If you are sowing seeds, you are fulfilling your outreach responsibility. Even if the seed falls on fertile ground, God has to water it and the ground has to keep drinking the right Spirit-filled messaging if the plant is to grow. There is no way you are going to see all, or even a large part, of the results of the seeds you have sown in this life while you remain on Earth. So what am I telling you? I am telling you to relax. If you take on a mantle that was not intended for you to bear, the Enemy will have a path into your spirit and you know his intentions are to kill, steal, and destroy. Expect NOTHING when you witness. Even a sense of urgency can be used to undo your best intentions.
 

JSTyler

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My hubby and I attended an NAR church that we ran from. While we were there, we were the toilet-scrubbing chair-stackers that watched from afar as the true "annointed ones" did the work that got all the attention. I never felt up to par spiritually as them. Now, looking back, I am super thankful to the Lord that He did not allow us to get into the position of spiritual leadership. I am okay with toilet scrubbing and have actually made a decent living owning a cleaning company. Having a clean toilet is a huge blessing.
Hehe, Mrs. JST and I have typicaly refered to ourselves as the toilet brush or plunger of tools for the church. Our experience is that we weren't considered to be very useful for many other purposes. That translated to us resolving that for our part of the Body entire, was/is that` we were either an eleventh toe, unsightly mole or maybe even a benign fatty tumor. So, not something to boast about and feature but most importantly to us, also not something that required removal. It's never bothered us much, cuz' we're still part of the Body.
 

Footsteps

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Mr. and Mrs. Tyler:
I am happy to report that you are now recognized as Members in Good Standing of the Bucket Brigade. My initiation ceremony was the full formal version, kneeling before a porcelain throne. I should have anticipated this honor, my job being monitoring the reading of first- through third-graders. I know you join me in being flushed with pride in the knowledge that the BBs will tackle jobs that most lack the courage to do (do). Those that flank us on horseback, clad in shining regalia, at the Return will look with secret envy on our scrubber-scepters held aloft.
 

ByGod'sGrace

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Matthew 11:28-30 is one of my favorite passages. "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." Another person's salvation isn't on our hands. There is no blood on your hands. It is their choice if they accept God or not. I think of how Jesus lived and how He preached. He wasn't raving everywhere, frantic. He was calm, loving, gentle, perceptive, and patient. I know it is very easy to get caught up in emotionalism, but that is not sustainable, healthy, or wise, and I'm saying that with love as your sis in Christ. I hope that you can find peace in giving it to God to save others, and living your life with the gifts God gave you.
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
I don't want to be special or even have a calling. It's a huge burden, and you're despised and hated by most and it's lonely. I would rather there be a thousand people around here who Love the Lord like I do and have the passion for souls. Trust me, I don't want it.
It is not a huge burden.

My yoke is easy and my burden is light. Matthew 11:30

We live and walk in Christ in a fallen world. His loving kindness is never ending. We know that and it is wonderful to know and to be saved.
 

Betty

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We choose to do the work God calls us to do out of our love for Him. We must desire to do His calling out of love. Do not despise your calling. This will only lead to bitterness and all your work will be in vain. This does not mean that our work will not sometimes cause us suffering. Did God not call us to bear our cross? Jesus suffered for our redemption more than we can even comprehend, yet He bore His suffering in grace. There are times the little suffering I endure brings me to tears and I feel ashamed of my weakness, but the thought of despising my calling shames me. March on, God’s Servant, it will not be long and our work on earth will end.
Betty
 
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