When we come back.

[Naterade]

I hadn't really thought about this until recently, but the thought occurred to me, the Earth will still be the same Earth when we come back with Jesus at the end of the tribulation right? The thought occurred to me if my house would still be here, and all my junk I have now. I know the Earth is supposed to suffer a catastrophe, like asteroids, earthquakes and the like from the judgments and warfare unleashed after we leave. I can just imagine coming back to my neighborhood, if it still exists, and what kind of shape it would be in, and who had done what with "my" stuff. I've got quite a stock of food and water stored here for any unsaved relatives and friends who might come knocking afterward.

Am I right? The Earth doesn't get remade until after the millennium, right?

 

[Lovin Jesus]

I don’t know if this helps respecting the earth being the same when we come back but this article explains how after the millennium it will be “new”

Psalm 104:5; Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:10

Abides forever
(Psalm 104:5) - "He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever."

(Ecclesiastes 1:4) - "A generation goes and a generation comes, but the earth remains forever."

Does not abide forever
(Isaiah 65:17) - "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind."

(2 Peter 3:10) - "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up."
The context of the Ecclesiastes passage is revealed in the previous verse (3) which says, "What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun?" In other words, the perspective of Ecclesiastes is from a completely human standpoint. The same is occurring in the Psalms passage, a description from a human perspective. Therefore, the writers will see the earth abiding forever because that is exactly how it appears. But, in Isaiah 65:17 and 2 Peter 3:10 the contexts are altogether different. They are speaking of the time in the future when the new heavens and new earth will be made. Take a look at 2 Peter.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells," (2 Peter 3:10-13).

Since sin is in the world, the earth and all its works will be destroyed and cleansed, and a new heavens and new earth will replace them.

Because I don’t know how God works I don’t think as humans we can understand how the earth will be destroyed by fire as in 2 Peter 3:10-11, and still have survivors. Only God knows.

 

[Saved and Waiting]

Understanding Rev. 20-22
From Jack Kelley of Grace thru Faith"

Question: Please help me understand the following. You state that only the Church Age Saints will live in the New Jerusalem during the Millennium. And that the Church Age Saints will be able to go back and forth between the New Jerusalem and earth. What scripture supports that those Saints will be able to go back and forth? Is the New Heaven and New Earth created after the Millennium? Also, when the New Heavens and New Earth are created will the Church Age Saints still reside in the New Jerusalem or will they live on the New Earth? Does scripture give insight what they will be doing (work, play, create, govern etc.) with regard to the New Heavens and New Earth? Thank you for any clarification on the above.

Answer: There is much confusion surrounding the New Jerusalem and New Heavens and New Earth that arises from what I believe is a misunderstanding of the chronology in Rev. 20-22.

Here’s a quick time line as I see it. In Rev. 20 the first 6 verses deal with the time at the beginning of the Millennium just after the Lord’s return. Then verses 7-15 skip to the End of the Millennium to deal with the final disposition of Satan and the resurrection of unbelievers. In Rev. 21:1 John went back to the beginning of the Millennium to describe the New Jerusalem which he saw coming down out of heaven. To let us know he was backtracking, John opened chapter 21 with a direct quote from Isaiah 65:17 which describes Earth at the beginning of the Millennium. When the Lord returns, the Earth will be in total ruin from the terrible destruction of the Great Tribulation and will have to be restored to the condition it was in when Adam was created to make the promises of Isaiah 65 and other places come true for Israel. The first 5 verses of chapter 22 are a summary of Ezekiel 47:1-12, another view of Earth at the beginning of the Millennium, confirming that chapters 21 and 22 describe the Millennium, not eternity.
Also, the word translated “new” in John’s quote of Isaiah 65:17 can also mean refreshed or renewed. It refers to the time Jesus called the renewal of all things in Matt. 19:28 and Peter mentioned in Acts 3:21.This will take place at the time of the 2nd Coming.
Following the Rapture, the Church will dwell in the New Jerusalem forever. All we know about what we’ll be doing is that in some way we’ll be assisting the Lord in His millennial reign. The Bible offers no information or detail about life in eternity. As for the saints going back and forth, Jesus went back and forth, and 1 John 3:2 says we’ll be like Him. (End of answer).

So it seems that when we come back to Earth with Jesus, we come back to a destroyed Earth and Jesus will restore it before the Millennium. There is so much destruction to the earth during Daniel's 70 week, especially in the last three and one half years that Jesus makes all things new then. From what I have learned, the Church will live in the New Jerusalem, the Jews who become believers will live in Israel, and the gentile believers from the Millennium will populate the rest of the restored Earth. There's a verse that talks about the people of Earth bringing food goods to the New Jerusalem where the Bride is. Seems we will be able to be on the new Earth though we will live in the New Jerusalem, and that's going to be something!!

 

[Chris]

Perhaps this link will help?

https://www.raptureforums.com/bible-prophecy/the-earth-in-prophecy/

 

[daygo]

I hadn't really thought about this until recently, but the thought occurred to me, the Earth will still be the same Earth when we come back with Jesus at the end of the tribulation right? The thought occurred to me if my house would still be here, and all my junk I have now. I know the Earth is supposed to suffer a catastrophe, like asteroids, earthquakes and the like from the judgments and warfare unleashed after we leave. I can just imagine coming back to my neighborhood, if it still exists, and what kind of shape it would be in, and who had done what with "my" stuff. I've got quite a stock of food and water stored here for any unsaved relatives and friends who might come knocking afterward.

Am I right? The Earth doesn't get remade until after the millennium, right?

I've thought about, what if we come back in the millennium and we see one of more of our relatives that pre rapture weren't believers and made it through the tribulation, what my reaction and their reactions be.

 

[JSTyler]

Heh, our crib shakes and rattles in a strong wind. I'm talking, don't lean on the walls if you ate too much, shakes and rattles. There's no chance it survives the trumpets, the bowls, the angelic forces and most definitely not the world-wide quakes or lastly the splitting of the Mount of Olives when our Lord and Savior comes back and touches down to judge and reign for a 1000 years. And if there's even a stick of 2x4 remaining, the concurrent consequences of a re-made earth will put paid to that.

The best part. We get to see it all eternally alive and in person and I think from the back of white horses. Aaaaand not only that but we're going to watch it with the best eyes and vision that God can create for us.

Before any of that, I'm hoping that some desperate tribulation survivor family finds this place, the junk and supplies that are in it, but most importantly the Bibles scattered all around. It'd be great to meet a tribulation martyr that used one of our Bibles to come to know the Lord.

 

[Batfan7]

I've also wondered about the state of the Earth when the Millennium starts, but more from a travel perspective. What historical stuff remains (will all the Judgements destroy things like the pyramids, the art museums, the natural beauty? Will the Grand Canyon still be there? What about old Faithful in Yellowstone? Will the ruins of ancient civilizations still be there?

I kind of want to do a bit of world travel in the Millennium, but it's hard to imagine how that will go when I can't decide what might be there to see! Perhaps nothing from now will stick around and we'll have to start all over with creating parks and museums and tourist spots.

It's fun to think about.

 

[Andy C]

I've thought about, what if we come back in the millennium and we see one of more of our relatives that pre rapture weren't believers and made it through the tribulation, what my reaction and their reactions be.

How awesome would that be. You would be in your glorified body, while they would still be in their earthly body.

 

[daygo]

How awesome would that be. You would be in your glorified body, while they would still be in their earthly body.

Yep, takes your breath away doesnt it, and for anyone else for that matter.

 

[Armor of Light]

I've also wondered about the state of the Earth when the Millennium starts, but more from a travel perspective. What historical stuff remains (will all the Judgements destroy things like the pyramids, the art museums, the natural beauty? Will the Grand Canyon still be there? What about old Faithful in Yellowstone? Will the ruins of ancient civilizations still be there?

If the quakes are so destructive mountains are no longer found, I doubt there will be any tourist attractions that survive.
Revelation 16:20

 

[kathymendel]

I guess I've always pictured it in my mind, that the earth as we know it, will be pretty much totally destroyed.
It will be our job, as servants of Christ, to oversee and help with the rebuilding of a new, and better earth.
(Or perhaps God just speaks it into place, as He did the first time around.)
No more pollution, the lamb will lie down with the lion, no more wars, no more greed........ I have pictured it as
being a return to the Garden of Eden type existence. Then again, it's hard to picture a world without all the
technological stuff ........... So, guess we will have to wait and see.

Another thing............ In Genesis we are told that when God made Adam and Eve leave the garden after their sin,
He set angels in place to guard it, so no one could enter it. Why did He do that? It sounds like Eden is still there........
maybe in another dimension, but still there. Perhaps we will be able to visit the Garden of Eden in our travels on the
new earth????

 

[Armor of Light]

Another thing............ In Genesis we are told that when God made Adam and Eve leave the garden after their sin,
He set angels in place to guard it, so no one could enter it. Why did He do that? It sounds like Eden is still there........

Maybe because it was perfect, and saving it for future use.

 

[kathymendel]

Maybe because it was perfect, and saving it for future use.

Yes, that's what I think, too...........

There are so many "little things" that are tucked into Scripture that are so easily overlooked as we are reading it.
It's important to find these little nuggets and ponder them, for they can hold much meaning and information.

 

[Hidden]

I've thought about, what if we come back in the millennium and we see one of more of our relatives that pre rapture weren't believers and made it through the tribulation, what my reaction and their reactions be.

I admit I have imagined this scenario a couple of times. I imagined gloating about the fact that I was right all along and I would be showing off to my colleagues and unsaved relatives. But that's the immature and prideful part of me, and I'm sure we in our glorified bodies wouldn't have that mindset. lol

Recently, the US elections provided me an opportunity of being a bit more forward with my co-workers. I explained to them the dangers of Trump losing and the left gaining power. They said the usual leftist taglines like Trump is a racist and America is responsible for the suffering in Iraq and the gulf blockade of Qatar.

I gave them a wider perspective of history, explaining how Marxism destroyed many countries, how liberalism is destroying societies around the world. At one point, I said that without America, which was founded on Christian principles, the world would have been very dark. I could tell from their faces that they're perplexed. lol But hopefully that is a seed, and I'm glad I'm able to tiptoe around the subject without going real hard given that it's a sensitive subject around here. Some of them had seen me post endlessly about Christ and Bible verse on Facebook, that was before I deactivated it. And occasionally, I still post on my Instagram about Bible things and about the rapture and coming judgment. Hopefully that is enough to make them starting thinking real hard, especially when they witness me raptured away.

 

[RobinMc]

I've thought about, what if we come back in the millennium and we see one of more of our relatives that pre rapture weren't believers and made it through the tribulation, what my reaction and their reactions be.

Wouldn't it be great! If your loved one that you thought was lost to hell, then they make it thru or get saved during the trib, I think they would say to you, I watched you and thought you were nuts, but when it all came together, I realized you were right. And I wouldn't want or need the acknowledgement of being right, just the happiness of seeing them there.
What if they were one of the trib saints that got killed for believing and not accepting the mark, and then they were under the throne, asking for God to avenge them? Would we know they were in that group of people at that time? Seems like it would be too many to know.
So many wonderful questions to be answered. But once we're in heaven, will the questions even matter anymore?

 

[Armor of Light]

Perhaps we will be able to visit the Garden of Eden in our travels on the
new earth????

Hope so, ,I always wonder what it is like to be there. imagine how they must have felt, having everything they need, perfect weather, food, perfect health being near their Creator everyday, and then they fall and are banished from the garden.

 

[ExultingInHim]

I've thought about, what if we come back in the millennium and we see one of more of our relatives that pre rapture weren't believers and made it through the tribulation, what my reaction and their reactions be.

Me too! I've often pondered what it would be like to come back in a glorified body to see people I used to know still on earth. Not too likely the survival rate would be good for them, but still, a mindbending scenario!

 

[Andiamo]

This is so interesting. I had not really thought about running into people I know...wow. Or going back to my old neighborhood. Strange.

But I do think a lot about ruling and reigning with Christ. I am not a leader or manager type at all, so it's way beyond my human character. But I imagine being able to operate from a place of 100% Holy Spirit working through me, without my flesh in the way at all....and with a new mind, completely Christ-minded.

Ruling and reigning in complete wisdom, complete authority, complete justness, complete righteousness, and yet with complete love.....Complete humility, and servant hood! It's amazing to think about. And how would I deal with the real trouble makers....with supernatural powers if necessary? Wow!

 

[Lovin Jesus]

This is so interesting. I had not really thought about running into people I know...wow. Or going back to my old neighborhood. Strange.

But I do think a lot about ruling and reigning with Christ. I am not a leader or manager type at all, so it's way beyond my human character. But I imagine being able to operate from a place of 100% Holy Spirit working through me, without my flesh in the way at all....and with a new mind, completely Christ-minded.

Ruling and reigning in complete wisdom, complete authority, complete justness, complete righteousness, and yet with complete love.....Complete humility, and servant hood! It's amazing to think about. And how would I deal with the real trouble makers....with supernatural powers if necessary? Wow!

I love this! Amen

 

[Lovin Jesus]

I guess I've always pictured it in my mind, that the earth as we know it, will be pretty much totally destroyed.
It will be our job, as servants of Christ, to oversee and help with the rebuilding of a new, and better earth.
(Or perhaps God just speaks it into place, as He did the first time around.)
No more pollution, the lamb will lie down with the lion, no more wars, no more greed........ I have pictured it as
being a return to the Garden of Eden type existence. Then again, it's hard to picture a world without all the
technological stuff ........... So, guess we will have to wait and see.

Another thing............ In Genesis we are told that when God made Adam and Eve leave the garden after their sin,
He set angels in place to guard it, so no one could enter it. Why did He do that? It sounds like Eden is still there........
maybe in another dimension, but still there. Perhaps we will be able to visit the Garden of Eden in our travels on the
new earth????

I imagine the whole earth will become like the Garden of Eden once God has made the new earth, makes all things new. I think Adam was supposed to extend the Garden throughout but because of sin the life in the Garden was isolated with the Angels guarding.it from entering again.