What's a Christian to Do?

[Eraserhead]

I honestly don’t know what’s happened to the Republican party..how they’ve swung so far to the left. ( Maybe I’m imagining they were ever conservative, and have been deluding myself):???? But if they were conservative, as I imagined, making McCain the nominee for the GOP is just so opposite of what I want. IMO Huckabee is no better, as I feel he’s just a centimeter to the right of the liberals.

I have prayed and prayed on how/who to vote for and my soul responds with “Don’t!” After praying and mulling over the “Don’t” for a few days, I can see some wisdom in this, but only if a majority of Christians follow the same path.

I can’t remember a time in our history when a party has been in power, that has mucked up our economy, where the public has voted in that same party come the next election. (If any of you have knowledge to the contrary, please enlighten me). With that in mind, I believe that Jesus Christ Himself could run as the Republican nominee and America, and based on what the Republican’s have done (or not done), is going to overwhelmingly vote in a Democrat.

If I’m right, loosing sleep over who we should vote for, (McCain or Huckabee), or if we should back McCain should he win the nominee, is really a waste of time if, based on history, it's imminent that the Dems are going to win.

I think if the majority of conservatives and conservative Christians just didn’t vote in November, it would at the very least, show the Republican party that when they throw out “doggie-doo”, we’re not going to pretend it’s “gold” and vote for it. Very possibly we could send a death-defying message that in 2012, they’d better give us, promote and back a candidate who has walked the walk of conservatism, or the Republican party might cease to exist. This is the only way the “don’t” in answer to my prayers seem to make sense.

I am fiercely patriotic and have never NOT voted. This goes against everything I stand for. Not that my one non-vote would make a difference, but if conservatives and Christians alike were to start a grass-roots effort and all were to follow suit, my, my...what a message we’d send!

Then again, if there's a chance we could keep the Dems out, then maybe I should vote. I just need grounded Christian's thoughts on this.

Thanks so much:

 

[readytogo]

With that in mind, I believe that Jesus Christ Himself could run as the Republican nominee and America, and based on what the Republican’s have done (or not done), is going to overwhelmingly vote in a Democrat.

Don't kid yourself, if Jesus Christ Himself ran as a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent, He would not win in this country. The press would have a "field day" trying to dig up dirt on Him--and if they couldn't find any, they would make it up. The atheists would say that He was too "religious", the liberal Christians would say that he's too judgmental and not "inclusive enough", the growing number of immigrants from Asia and the Middle East would say that He was too "Christian", and finally there are those who call themselves Christians who would say that He could NEVER be president because He's a Jew!

Fortunately there will come a day soon when Jesus will establish His Kingdom on earth. There will be no competing candidates, no mud-slinging, no 'who do we vote for or against', no 'can we trust this Man?'. It will be an absolute monarchy established forever!

In the meantime, I compare what the candidates say and do with what I see in the word of God and, if no candidate comes close to the standard, I will refrain from voting. But, personally, I'm watching the signs and er that the Lord will come for His bride before November!

 

[light4mypath]

I have seriously thought about not voting. But then got to thinking about it, and if I don't vote, it is the same as giving the other party a vote. A catch 22 is what it has turned out to be. I hear so many say vote for the lesser of two evils....well it is a crying shame we would have to vote for evil at all. I have never been so torn, as I am this year concerning my vote. DH and I have thought about writing someone in on the ballot- at least then the vote wouldn't go to anyone other thatn the person we would write in. we both think that would make more of a statement than not voting at all..:..just my thoughts...

 

[Eraserhead]

I have seriously thought about not voting. But then got to thinking about it, and if I don't vote, it is the same as giving the other party a vote. A catch 22 is what it has turned out to be. I hear so many say vote for the lesser of two evils....well it is a crying shame we would have to vote for evil at all. I have never been so torn, as I am this year concerning my vote. DH and I have thought about writing someone in on the ballot- at least then the vote wouldn't go to anyone other thatn the person we would write in. we both think that would make more of a statement than not voting at all..:..just my thoughts...

I'm with you. But if the majority of America does the disgust/I'm fed up vote and votes in the democrat, then the conservative vote is a moot point:.

My angst is with the Repub. party giving us the equivalent of defective, poisonous Chinese merchandise, and expecting us to use it. If we vote for the Repub. merchandise they've tossed to us, is our vote validating the repub. party:??

 

[SisterNChrist]

Don't kid yourself, if Jesus Christ Himself ran as a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent, He would not win in this country. The press would have a "field day" trying to dig up dirt on Him--and if they couldn't find any, they would make it up. The atheists would say that He was too "religious", the liberal Christians would say that he's too judgmental and not "inclusive enough", the growing number of immigrants from Asia and the Middle East would say that He was too "Christian", and finally there are those who call themselves Christians who would say that He could NEVER be president because He's a Jew!

Fortunately there will come a day soon when Jesus will establish His Kingdom on earth. There will be no competing candidates, no mud-slinging, no 'who do we vote for or against', no 'can we trust this Man?'. It will be an absolute monarchy established forever!

In the meantime, I compare what the candidates say and do with what I see in the word of God and, if no candidate comes close to the standard, I will refrain from voting. But, personally, I'm watching the signs and er that the Lord will come for His bride before November!

That makes two of us who hopes 'n' ers this will happen, Sister. 2:

 

[Adopted Son]

Oh boy, where do we start? Jesus. Scriptually, the first coming of Jesus would, as you point out, not be elected. The second coming Christ, will be so amazingly awesome, He would be elected, no doubt!

As to the voting, I hope all Christians vote. Political factions take cues from the voting results. Remember all the bills introduced in the name of "public mandate"?

Even if the more conservative candidate loses, we may get noticed as a group not to be ignored. But if we stay away and not vote our conscience???? We won't be worth consideration, we will be considered apathetic and therefore can be ignored. Progressives will jump for joy.

 

[Xtreme Cowboy]

Sorry to you all on here, but I won't vote. At times I feel voting for the "lesser of two evils" doesn't make a point to the ungodly. I explain why I'm not voting. Until we get someone that bases their whole platform on true integrity and find someone that runs, not for popularity, but because they say we need God, then I'm out.

I feel God will protect us no matter how evil the country gets...by my living in fear by voting in the lesser evil will do me no good. JMHO.

 

[Betty]

I am going to vote, simply because if I don't, a democrat will get in office and we know for sure they are for abortion and gay marriage.

 

[IM2L844]

I don't see any big differences between McCain and Obama. They are equally good liars without honor or integrity and who, in reality, stand for nothing of interest to Christians.

I will cast a protest vote for Chief Justice Roy Moore if the Constitution Party can draft him and get him on the ballot.

 

[WhisperWisdom]

Hmm...I once had a goverment professor state in class that if you didn't vote, you had no room to complain about the state of affairs in this country. Mind you, this is coming from the same guy who avoided the draft during Vietnam.

Anymore, I just don't believe either party in power when they say they are for something. Usually they backtrack and do something else once in office. The only person that I might vote for would be Obama, but even there I have serious reservations about. For one thing, on Obama's website, he avoids most of the serious issues like abortion, gays, etc and only discusses the "safe" issues. That concerns me...I like to know his opinions on these....

 

[readytogo]

Hmm...I once had a goverment professor state in class that if you didn't vote, you had no room to complain about the state of affairs in this country.

Until we are raptured, no one is going to tell ME that I don't have a right to complain! I have voted for YEARS in elections, and it hasn't done a darn bit of good--whether "my" candidate won or not!

For one thing, on Obama's website, he avoids most of the serious issues like abortion, gays, etc and only discusses the "safe" issues. That concerns me...I like to know his opinions on these....

Of course, he doesn't discuss the important issues! That would mean that he would lose the "conservative" vote. It should tell you something important right there that there is nothing on his website about these things. The following is a quote from an article by "Bible Teacher", Jack Kelley:

First, some background, so I am not misunderstood here. During his legislative career, Barak Obama has received a 100% rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion 'rights' issues.

So Obama is not some closet 'right-to-lifer' -- which is the impression the mailing is designed to create. Indeed, Obama voted against a measure that would require medical care for babies who survive an abortion attempt.

The rest of the article can be found at:

http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6225&SearchFor=obama

 

[WhisperWisdom]

:there went my vote for Obama....and since I'm not about to vote for Hillary or McCain, I guess I'll sit this election out....

 

[Ort]

Don't kid yourself, if Jesus Christ Himself ran as a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent, He would not win in this country. The press would have a "field day" trying to dig up dirt on Him--and if they couldn't find any, they would make it up. The atheists would say that He was too "religious", the liberal Christians would say that he's too judgmental and not "inclusive enough", the growing number of immigrants from Asia and the Middle East would say that He was too "Christian", and finally there are those who call themselves Christians who would say that He could NEVER be president because He's a Jew!

Fortunately there will come a day soon when Jesus will establish His Kingdom on earth. There will be no competing candidates, no mud-slinging, no 'who do we vote for or against', no 'can we trust this Man?'. It will be an absolute monarchy established forever!

In the meantime, I compare what the candidates say and do with what I see in the word of God and, if no candidate comes close to the standard, I will refrain from voting. But, personally, I'm watching the signs and er that the Lord will come for His bride before November!

reach

 

[A MattR of Time]

I am not voting for President. I did not vote for President last time. I only vote in State and local races. And at the state level, I'm not so sure my vote matters, either.

Florida 2000, and WA State 2004, Ohio 2004 showed me that the elections are rigged.

"He who votes, counts for nothing. He who counts the votes, counts for everything"......Josef Stalin

There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Dem and Reps anymore.

In fact, in 2000, the Republican party changed their elephant:

Old elephant:

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New elephant:

Notice the difference?

The upside down star is the pentagram which is a symbol of the goat.

"In witchcraft the pentangle is used with the "head" of the star pointed down, illustrating man worshiping Satan. When pointed down it also becomes the face of the goat. Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle to emphasize the exclusion of God, and sometimes with the head of a goat inside the pentagram."

So to answer your question: What's a Christian to Do?

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[light4mypath]

oh WOW

 

[WhisperWisdom]

In fact, in 2000, the Republican party changed their elephant:

Old elephant:

http://g-ecx.images-**********/images/G/01/ciu/30/0b/978792c008a01bf36fe3a010._AA240_.L.jpg

New elephant:

Notice the difference?

The upside down star is the pentagram which is a symbol of the goat.

"In witchcraft the pentangle is used with the "head" of the star pointed down, illustrating man worshiping Satan. When pointed down it also becomes the face of the goat. Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle to emphasize the exclusion of God, and sometimes with the head of a goat inside the pentagram."

So to answer your question: What's a Christian to Do?

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

That's so eerie! My mother was just telling me the other day about a book she used to have in which certain symbols were used in public that actually meant Satan and other things. I totally wouldn't have known this one above about the stars.....But with the way things are going in this country, I can believe it!

 

[Adopted Son]

Interesting observation. It's probably some young buck, wanting to leave a mark on the country and changed the star positioning to create interest, perhaps promote satan, and at the very least to reject the status quo.

Change the box on Cheerios, and you'll sell more for a short time. And most liberals, when asked, would respond Lincoln was a democrat. Conservatism is falling fast, which is an odd occurance as the median age of Americans is still rising. Usually, that would bespeak a more conservative position. Guess without faith in God, you will place it in man which makes you a liberal, progressive, or democrat.

 

[phillip]

Democratic alternative

The Democratic alternative is anti-gun, pro-abortion, anti-Christian, anti-military, and pro-gay marriage and lifestyle. It is far worse than the Republican platform and agenda! Sometimes, brother, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils! McCain is pro-life, pro-family and pro-military! Obama's pastor curses America and Hillary has attended church at Easter. Both are pro-gay, pro-choice, and far left liberals! Vote McCain for President in November!

 

[Barachem]

This saddens me, but when regarding Bush, it's obvious that Republican =|= trustworthy.
And McCain IS worse...
The change in symbol does indicate a change for worse and more evil...

 

[IM2L844]

Sometimes, brother, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils!

...and, sometimes, you have to do what is right and just and honorable regardless of which race horse you think has a chance of ending up in the winners circle.

Seven OFFICIAL Principles of the Constitution Party are:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

...and here is the OFFICIAL preamble to the OFFICIAL platform of the Constitution Party:

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of the United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules.

We affirm the principles of inherent individual rights upon which these United States of America were founded:

That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness;

That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual's unalienable rights;

That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;

That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people's rights;

and that, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.

I believe it's pretty clear which party's official position rightly aligns with shared Christian values.