What of Repentance?

TRex2

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Many people have told me to read The Gospel According to John, but for me, it was Luke. Vernon McGee says it is because I think differently than most. That gave me the basics and backstory, Ephesians sealed the deal for me. (Martin Luther, the monk that started the Lutheran Church said it was Galatians that sealed the deal for him.)

Even so, I had to ask some questions afterwords, to clarify some stuff and insure I got it right. After 20 years of asking, it was some of the people on here and Rapture Ready forums that finally got it through my thick skull.

As a side note, for some of those who feel they are slow to learn, take heart. If you will notice, just about everything the Lord wanted to teach Peter, He had to tell him three times. My belief is that Peter was a bit dense, and if Peter could learn it, there is hope for me.
 

Mikedexion

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Greek and Hebrew definitions:

Strong's G3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").
Usage: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

Strong's H5162 nacham: to be sorry, console oneself
be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent, of one's own doings, absolute Exodus 13:17 (E), Psalm 106:45; Jeremiah 20:16; Joel 2:14; Zechariah 8:14; "" שׁקּר 1 Samuel 15:29 (twice in verse); מאס Job 42:6; שׁובJeremiah 4:28; Jeremiah 31:19; Jonah 3:9; חוּס Ezekiel 24:14; ׳לא נ, ""נשׂבע Psalm 110:4; c.עַל Amos 7:3,6; Jeremiah 8:6; Jeremiah 18:10; עלהֿרעה for ill done to others Exodus 32:12,14 (J), Jeremiah 18:8; Joel 2:13; Jonah 3:10; Jonah 4:2; אלהֿרעה 2 Samuel 24:16 = 1 Chronicles 21:15 (על), Jeremiah 26:8,13,19; Jeremiah 42:10; כְּיGenesis 6:6,7 (J), 1 Samuel 15:11,35.
 
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mattfivefour

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Further to those definitions. The noun metánoia (Strongs 3341) and its cognate verb metanoéo (Strongs 3340) are the usual words used in NT Scripture for repentance and repent. It literally means a change of inner mind and attitude and thus refers to a fundamental change of heart. It fits our concept of the true, deep repentance involved in salvation. Metamélomai, on the other hand, means a change of caring or concern. In actual koiné Greek usage, it refers to remorse or a change of mind—but not necessarily a change of heart. It fits our concept of regret. Metanoía/metanoéo are always deep, elemental, intrinsic, fundamental. Metamélomai is often superficial, auxiliary, non-essential.

I hope that helps.
 

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fully dependent upon His grace
In lay terms, faith is a turning towards, while repentance is a turning away from, thus they are two sides of the same coin. As we truly turn to Jesus Christ we simultaneously turn away from all else that opposes Him. (No man can serve two masters etc). It is a work of God.
 

Jan51

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In lay terms, faith is a turning towards, while repentance is a turning away from, thus they are two sides of the same coin. As we truly turn to Jesus Christ we simultaneously turn away from all else that opposes Him. (No man can serve two masters etc). It is a work of God.
1Thes 1:9 For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God,
 

Mikedexion

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Further to those definitions. The noun metánoia (Strongs 3341) and its cognate verb metanoéo (Strongs 3340) are the usual words used in NT Scripture for repentance and repent. It literally means a change of inner mind and attitude and thus refers to a fundamental change of heart. It fits our concept of the true, deep repentance involved in salvation. Metamélomai, on the other hand, means a change of caring or concern. In actual koiné Greek usage, it refers to remorse or a change of mind—but not necessarily a change of heart. It fits our concept of regret. Metanoía/metanoéo are always deep, elemental, intrinsic, fundamental. Metamélomai is often superficial, auxiliary, non-essential.

I hope that helps.
Ah yes G3340 and 3341 are better renditions! I will edit the above post. Thanks! :thumbup
 
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TRex2

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Ah yes G3340 and 3341 are better renditions! I will edit the above post. Thanks!
Just be careful not to apply a definition from one part of the Bible
to another part, simply because the English word is the same.
Check to insure the underlying, original language word is the same.
The English language translations can be a bit misleading to a novice.
 

PhilR

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When he it comes to salvation for the unbelievers, you cant repent without believing and cant believe without repenting. In regards to justification, repenting is a synonym of believe.
Right Andy. Everyone who believes has changed his mind (repented). The moment one believes the gospel of his salvation he is eternally saved. (1 Cor 15:1-4; Eph 1:12-14)
 

mattfivefour

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Repentance is more than a change of mind. It’s turning from sin.
Not quite. It IS a change of mind: a COMPLETE change of mind, which includes changing one's mind about God, self, AND sin. It involves a 180° change of direction in one's life. But while it is a complete change in attitude and, thus, direction, it is not a completed change in attitude and direction. In other words it is the START of something new.

It is a WILLINGNESS to go God's way, to see changes in one's life bringing us into conformity to God's will and His ways. Now we desire to please God and not to sin. And it is that desire that God sees. The actual working out of that desire is not what we do but what God does. God takes pleasure in our willingness and begins His work of changing us-- what we call sanctification. It is progressive, and bridges the entire period between the two fixed and instantaneous "bookends" of salvation and glorification.

So metanoia the Word we translate as "repentance" means a change of attitude, not necessarily a change of performance. That will come.
 

Chris

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I'm going to post the contents of Steve's link here for everyone to read. It hits the nail on the head pretty good.

Repenting The Biblical Way
By Jack Kelley

Question: Is it possible for someone to have faith in Jesus without repenting of their sins? If so, how does one go about repenting of their sins the biblical way?

Answer: The Greek word translated repent in the New Testament means to change one’s mind. In connection with salvation, it refers to the time when unbelievers change their mind and admit they are sinners. This leads to the recognition that they need a Savior and results in them asking Jesus into their heart.

Therefore, when a person comes to believe in Jesus for their salvation they have already repented.

If you are talking about people changing their behavior after they are saved, you mean regeneration. Regeneration is the process where a believer heeds the conviction of the Holy Spirit and begins progressively discarding old ways that are not pleasing to the Lord and adopting different behavior that is more pleasing to Him. They do this as an expression of their gratitude for the free gift of salvation. This is the Biblical way of changing our behavior. It is outlined in Romans 12:1-2 and explained in greater detail in Ephes 4:22-32.

Many believers do not allow all of the regeneration process to take place, but that does not take away from their faith in Jesus to save them. Our salvation is based on what we believe, not on how we behave, and was guaranteed from the time we became a believer (Ephes 1:13-14).
 

InsuranceGuy

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Lordship salvation. Here's a good short article on the subject: https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html
I read the link. It sounds really close to what we believe. I guess I dont understand the difference. They seem a bit more hardcore, but say many of the same things I hear in normal churches or conversations. The only difference seems to be they think far fewer people will be allowed into Heaven and someone cant just say they believe and go to Heaven. Is LS drastically different than we believe? I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other. I know that if you truly believe, you are saved. That's all my feeble mind understands.
 

Steve53

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I read the link. It sounds really close to what we believe. I guess I dont understand the difference. They seem a bit more hardcore, but say many of the same things I hear in normal churches or conversations. The only difference seems to be they think far fewer people will be allowed into Heaven and someone cant just say they believe and go to Heaven. Is LS drastically different than we believe? I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other. I know that if you truly believe, you are saved. That's all my feeble mind understands.
Lordship Salvation proponents are where fruit inspectors are born. :heh

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/lordship-salvation/


Q
Can you please explain lordship salvation and whether you feel it is a valid doctrine? If I understand it correctly and it is valid, it pretty much eliminates any “deathbed conversions.”

A
As I understand it, lordship salvation holds that just asking Jesus to be your Savior isn’t enough to save you. You also have to agree to make Him Lord of your life.
This is demonstrated by whether your actions in this world give evidence of your obedience to Biblical instructions on Christian living. Some go so far as to say that if there are no observable changes, then there has been no salvation.
This view contradicts the clear Biblical teachings that the sole requirement for salvation is the belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose again.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the Holy Spirit come to dwell in our heart will cause changes in our life. But what changes occur, and when, are between each believer and the Holy Spirit and don’t concern anyone else.
 

InsuranceGuy

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Lordship Salvation proponents are where fruit inspectors are born. :heh

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/lordship-salvation/


Q
Can you please explain lordship salvation and whether you feel it is a valid doctrine? If I understand it correctly and it is valid, it pretty much eliminates any “deathbed conversions.”

A
As I understand it, lordship salvation holds that just asking Jesus to be your Savior isn’t enough to save you. You also have to agree to make Him Lord of your life.
This is demonstrated by whether your actions in this world give evidence of your obedience to Biblical instructions on Christian living. Some go so far as to say that if there are no observable changes, then there has been no salvation.
This view contradicts the clear Biblical teachings that the sole requirement for salvation is the belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose again.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the Holy Spirit come to dwell in our heart will cause changes in our life. But what changes occur, and when, are between each believer and the Holy Spirit and don’t concern anyone else.
This would go against the Thief on the Cross being saved. He didnt have time for good works.
 
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