Lovin Jesus
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1 Thessalonians 5:9The Groom will not allow His blood bought Bride to suffer His wrath upon a rejecting world.
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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1 Thessalonians 5:9The Groom will not allow His blood bought Bride to suffer His wrath upon a rejecting world.
Exactly friend.Yep! These are the verses I would use! And the true church is removed because God has not appointed us to wrath.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
I am totally sold out that we are in The Grace Age, where salvation is a totally free gift. During the tribulation not taking the mark will be a huge problem, but taking the mark will damn one to Hell. So salvation during the tribulation is not totally free, as there is a requirement that you do not take the mark of the beast.
Perhaps the most common understanding of this passage is that we must endure in good works to the end of our physical lives to be saved from hell. This understanding contradicts Paul’s words in Eph 2:8a:But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (ESV)
Notice two differences between Eph 2:8a and Matt 24:13: First, the Matt 24:13 salvation is by enduring whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is by grace through faith. Second, the Matt 24:13 salvation is future (“will be saved,” from the Greek future tense, sothesetai) whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is past (“have been saved,” from the Greek perfect tense sesosmenoi). Salvation from hell was by grace through faith and has already happened to me, so what is the future salvation by endurance that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:13? The answer is in the context.For by grace you have been saved through faith. (ESV)
It makes sense that the salvation in vs 13 should be in the future tense; after all, the disciples are asking about the future. Specifically, they were asking about the 7-year tribulation period. One reason we know that the Tribulation is in view is because Jesus says that the abomination of desolation (which Daniel talks about in Dan 9) will occur during this period. We also know that this is the tribulation because they asked immediately after Jesus said that not one stone of the temple would be left on another – surely a reference to the replacement of the 2nd temple with the temple that Ezekiel writes about in Ez 40-48.As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3 ESV)
Rebelation 19:14
Lol i have the worst spell checker on my phone. The worst. Always inserting words I didnt type. LolHad to chuckle at this (innocent typo for sure) as a first reaction....can you remind me which translation of the Bible has the book of "Rebelation" in it?
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
I am totally sold out that we are in The Grace Age, where salvation is a totally free gift. During the tribulation not taking the mark will be a huge problem, but taking the mark will damn one to Hell. So salvation during the tribulation is not totally free, as there is a requirement that you do not take the mark of the beast.
I look at the Flood. God saved Noah and his family from the cataclysm (tribulation) (judgment) of the flood. God kept them in a safe place (the ark) through the entire flood. They didn't have to do any swimming and they were shut up inside before the rain began.
That's just what I was thinkingNew Matthew?
Rebelation 19:14
[2Th 2:1-9 NASB95] 1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for [it will not come] unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains [will do so] until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 [that is,] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
[1Th 5:9 NASB95] 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
[2Th 2:1-4 NASB95] 1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for [it will not come] unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
[Rev 3:10 NKJV] 10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
This is a sign that Apostle Paul gives after he mentions the event of being caught up aka rapture. It's in First Thessa 5:1-3 .......When they say Peace & Safety. This event can only occur at the beginning and not Mid or Post Tribulation. However, we could still be here at the beginning of the tribulation, in order for us to see and respond to it without jubilation as the world respond to it, with jubilation. That means God is forewarning us of it's controversial nature which displeases Him to the point of igniting his wrath. So yes....it is pre Trib but actually after it begins and it still meets imminency of Christ return. But it seems to require evidence of 7 year countdown as part of the Terms and Condition, That Israel signs!Sojourner, I agree..God also has a perfect track record of taking His people out before the wrath.. knowing that God keeps His promises causes me to have total faith in the Pretrib Rapture.
The Church WILL NOT be here at ANY POINT during the Tribulation.This is a sign that Apostle Paul gives after he mentions the event of being caught up aka rapture. It's in First Thessa 5:1-3 .......When they say Peace & Safety. This event can only occur at the beginning and not Mid or Post Tribulation. However, we could still be here at the beginning of the tribulation, in order for us to see and respond to it without jubilation as the world respond to it, with jubilation. That means God is forewarning us of it's controversial nature which displeases Him to the point of igniting his wrath. So yes....it is pre Trib but actually after it begins and it still meets imminency of Christ return. But it seems to require evidence of 7 year countdown as part of the Terms and Condition, That Israel signs!