We will own nothing and be happy

Andiamo

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I was talking to a family member about the WEF and managed to find the original link (which is actually still on the WEF website) to the video where they say we will “own nothing and be happy” Here it is:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

But I’m kind of bothered by something. While I was looking for that, I ran across this Reuters article which says our concerns are unfounded, and that the video was based on an WEF article which was “a piece aimed to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0

This caused me to look closer at the whole webpage where the video is embedded, and it does say “We asked experts from our global future councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results.” In other words, the WEF isn’t claiming this is their plan or even their own ideas, but those of contributors.

Now, I absolutely still do not believe the WEF is our friend - they certainly do have nefarious plans. And of course, I don’t trust Reuters either. And finally, this concern of mine in no way sways my belief that we are very close to the rapture. However, I am kind of questioning if maybe Bible prophecy teachers and others have taken off running with this video, getting us all worked up about something which is actually not anything. At least, not yet.

Thoughts?
 

cheeky200386

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I think that it doesn't really matter so much what they plan because Satan doesn't have ultimate free reign and power. The time of the Antichrist will happen after we are raptured regardless of what the WEF does.

We can only trust in God's timing and I know he laughs when nations devise plans against his people.

Psalm 2: Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
I was talking to a family member about the WEF and managed to find the original link (which is actually still on the WEF website) to the video where they say we will “own nothing and be happy” Here it is:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

But I’m kind of bothered by something. While I was looking for that, I ran across this Reuters article which says our concerns are unfounded, and that the video was based on an WEF article which was “a piece aimed to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0

This caused me to look closer at the whole webpage where the video is embedded, and it does say “We asked experts from our global future councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results.” In other words, the WEF isn’t claiming this is their plan or even their own ideas, but those of contributors.

Now, I absolutely still do not believe the WEF is our friend - they certainly do have nefarious plans. And of course, I don’t trust Reuters either. And finally, this concern of mine in no way sways my belief that we are very close to the rapture. However, I am kind of questioning if maybe Bible prophecy teachers and others have taken off running with this video, getting us all worked up about something which is actually not anything. At least, not yet.

Thoughts?

I agree, a lot of bible teachers are really overhyping some of this or are cherry picking some of the sources to say that such and such is going to happen when in actual fact when you do look at the resources they aren't as sensationalised.

As Cheeky mentioned , God will have the ultimate say of what they are permitted to do or enact
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
I was talking to a family member about the WEF and managed to find the original link (which is actually still on the WEF website) to the video where they say we will “own nothing and be happy” Here it is:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

But I’m kind of bothered by something. While I was looking for that, I ran across this Reuters article which says our concerns are unfounded, and that the video was based on an WEF article which was “a piece aimed to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0

This caused me to look closer at the whole webpage where the video is embedded, and it does say “We asked experts from our global future councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results.” In other words, the WEF isn’t claiming this is their plan or even their own ideas, but those of contributors.

Now, I absolutely still do not believe the WEF is our friend - they certainly do have nefarious plans. And of course, I don’t trust Reuters either. And finally, this concern of mine in no way sways my belief that we are very close to the rapture. However, I am kind of questioning if maybe Bible prophecy teachers and others have taken off running with this video, getting us all worked up about something which is actually not anything. At least, not yet.

Thoughts?
When they start a "dialogue" type conversation it's a Hegelian dialectic, which is fancy weasel words for they will introduce a topic, get conversation started and manipulate it till they get "permission" or even demands to go ahead with whatever they wanted to do in the first place.

That article about owning nothing and being happy is becoming a meme amongst the trendy minimalist community on social media.

One of the minimalist YTubers had that as a title recently. And I've heard it mentioned more than once.

Of course that starts to make detractors of this Hegelian dialectic (and it's aim to make the world into paupers dependant on govt) look like fools.

That was done in the past with Creation vs Evolution. The Christians standing against Evo looked like fools. Even when good apologetic ministries tackle the hard questions the detractors (Christians) are still portrayed as buffoons.

I don't think the Christians arguing against the WEF are fools or misguided but they need to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. It isn't always wise to use what the enemy hands you on a platter to argue against what the enemy is doing. Because likely the enemy set it up like a trap to say aha but didn't you SEE that it wasn't our plan, just a talking point.

Oh and by the way this is Hegelian dialectic all over the place.

Here's a definition from the online Collins dictionary:

Hegelian dialectic in American English​


noun
an interpretive method, originally used to relate specific entities or events to the absolute idea, in which some assertible proposition (thesis) is necessarily opposed by an equally assertible and apparently contradictory proposition (antithesis), the mutual contradiction being reconciled on a higher level of truth by a third proposition (synthesis)


Most material © 2005, 1997, 1991 by Penguin Random House LLC. Modified entries © 2019 by Penguin Random House LLC and HarperCollins Publishers Ltd
 
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athenasius

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So what they do is set out something they KNOW people will HATE. Stir things up a bit. That is the THESIS

The ANTITHESIS comes from the Christians in the room and the Conservative types who get angry.

Then they explain that they didn't really say that. And acknowledge the reasons for anger are valid.

The next part is DEVILISH and sophisticated and manipulative.

Then they give in to the the Christians and Conservatives, but instead of reversing position they introduce a COMPROMISE position-- the SYNTHESIS which will contain exactly what they wanted to do in the first place.

Which leaves their opponents with egg on their faces and the WEF walks away with whatever it was that they really wanted in the first place while looking like kindly people who listen and hear from the opposition and are really trying to make things work.
 

SarahRose

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Also, I do think that people can get too worked up over stuff. The teachers I like to listen to are generally pretty level headed — they’ll talk about what’s going on but bring it back to the fact that God is in control.

We live in a very fallen world and there is a lot more sinister stuff going on than we even know about. I’m guessing what we see in the headlines is just the tip of the iceberg.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t stay informed. I watch prophecy update videos and whatnot constantly because I like seeing how God’s word is playing out in real time.

As I think Jan Markell likes to say, things aren’t falling apart, they’re falling into place.
 

JSTyler

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All this reasonably bothers us because we do know what's coming. We have confidence in God, but there are troubles ahead and we know we have to abide through some of them. Also, we care about those that are lost. What's coming is the worst time ever to befall out world.

I just went through a month long process of dental work. I had foreknowledge of what was coming based on history, the new problem forecast itself, the problem became increasingly problematic, the process began until the desired end goal was achieved. I dreaded almost every step because I knew what was before me even though I knew the outcome and had complete confidence in my care giver.

The old term for the process of 'stretching' people beyond their comfort zones to draw them to a pre-desired outcome is The Overton Window. It's a fascinating study.

Ironically, it's very similar to the redemption process we Christ followers go through; Justification (problem = initial change), Sanctification (continuous process = constant change) and Glorification (desired result or outcome).

The obvious difference being that one process glorifies God and saves, the other glorifies man and leads to destruction. satan always has cheap copies of what God has done.
 
Klaus Schwab is a leading proponent of genetic editing and implanting humans with microchips to merge us with the digital world, which is the main reason eschatology students took notice of him. He said in an interview in 2016 that he wanted these implants within 10 years. He’s 84 now and wants his goal realized soon. It’s more than just talk with him, he means it. Regardless of the humanitarian facade the WEF puts on, this is who Klaus Schwab is. Yuval Noah Harari gave keynote speeches on the “future of humanity” at WEF annual meetings in 2018 and 2020. I’m slightly paraphrasing, but some of his famous lines at the WEF and elsewhere are that humans are now hackable animals, Jesus rising from the dead and being the Son of God is fake news, free will is over, and covid is critical because this is what convinces people to accept total biometric surveillance. An exact quote from Davos in 2018 is, “Science is replacing evolution by natural selection with evolution by intelligent design. Not the intelligent design of some God above the clouds, but our intelligent design.”
 

Andiamo

"Let's go!"
Thank you for your responses. Let me clarify. The concern I am addressing in my post isn’t about what the WEF said. It’s the fact that prophecy teachers are putting quite a bit of emphasis on it. I just heard one last night say “Klaus Schwab said we will own nothing and be happy.” From what I see, that quote originated from the WEF video and not from Schwab. There is also much emphasis on agenda 2030. I just think that people need to be more careful and vet their sources more. Do we want to be credible - reporting actual approaching enemies - while being watchmen, or silly - reporting shadows?
 

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Thank you for your responses. Let me clarify. The concern I am addressing in my post isn’t about what the WEF said. It’s the fact that prophecy teachers are putting quite a bit of emphasis on it. I just heard one last night say “Klaus Schwab said we will own nothing and be happy.” From what I see, that quote originated from the WEF video and not from Schwab. There is also much emphasis on agenda 2030. I just think that people need to be more careful and vet their sources more. Do we want to be credible - reporting actual approaching enemies - while being watchmen, or silly - reporting shadows?
I understand exactly what you are saying, and you are absolutely correct.
 

Andiamo

"Let's go!"
When they start a "dialogue" type conversation it's a Hegelian dialectic, which is fancy weasel words for they will introduce a topic, get conversation started and manipulate it till they get "permission" or even demands to go ahead with whatever they wanted to do in the first place.

That article about owning nothing and being happy is becoming a meme amongst the trendy minimalist community on social media.

One of the minimalist YTubers had that as a title recently. And I've heard it mentioned more than once.

Of course that starts to make detractors of this Hegelian dialectic (and it's aim to make the world into paupers dependant on govt) look like fools.

That was done in the past with Creation vs Evolution. The Christians standing against Evo looked like fools. Even when good apologetic ministries tackle the hard questions the detractors (Christians) are still portrayed as buffoons.

I don't think the Christians arguing against the WEF are fools or misguided but they need to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. It isn't always wise to use what the enemy hands you on a platter to argue against what the enemy is doing. Because likely the enemy set it up like a trap to say aha but didn't you SEE that it wasn't our plan, just a talking point.

Oh and by the way this is Hegelian dialectic all over the place.

Here's a definition from the online Collins dictionary:

Hegelian dialectic in American English​


noun
an interpretive method, originally used to relate specific entities or events to the absolute idea, in which some assertible proposition (thesis) is necessarily opposed by an equally assertible and apparently contradictory proposition (antithesis), the mutual contradiction being reconciled on a higher level of truth by a third proposition (synthesis)


Most material © 2005, 1997, 1991 by Penguin Random House LLC. Modified entries © 2019 by Penguin Random House LLC and HarperCollins Publishers Ltd
That is very interesting! Wow, what a strategy.
 
Thanks for your reply. But this could be an example right here, of what I am talking about. Do you have a link to the interview?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jVdbtUVnFAVm/

I changed to a different video, it's the exact same clip but from a different channel, because that original Bitchute channel was sketchy. Bitchute has some sketchy stuff but that's the trade off for less censorship. Also I was paraphrasing what he said and if he did not actually use the exact phrase "I want to microchip people" you certainly get the gist of his message. For what it's worth I don't actually pay much attention to the WEF either and most "Bible prophecy teachers" frustrate me to no end as well, but I do genuinely think Schwab and Harari have been instrumental in paving the way for the mark of the beast.
 
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Andiamo

"Let's go!"
We can only trust in God's timing and I know he laughs when nations devise plans against his people.
The coverage of all things WEF is warranted, but many times IMO, its over hyped.

I try and keep an eye on what comes out of the WEF, but that voice in my head tells me its more important, and far more pressing to keep my eyes looking up.
Thank you and I agree. This is the bottom line, and our eyes should be looking upward while our faces are in the Word. (That’s a funny picture. Ha. )
Although I have found all of this reporting so interesting and fascinating, I am disappointed. There are people I listen to whom should know better, and who have the staff to help them vet out the source of the information.
 

Andiamo

"Let's go!"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jVdbtUVnFAVm/

I changed to a different video, it's the exact same clip but from a different channel, because that original Bitchute channel was sketchy. Bitchute has some sketchy stuff but that's the trade off for less censorship.
Thanks! Since it’s a clip and translated from French I can’t tell the full context of what he is saying. But the fact that he is even talking about it at all is creepy.
Things like this should make us look up. I’m afraid that so many of us may be fixated on this stuff. It is fascinating but I wish there wasn’t so much emphasis on it all.
 

Pat

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Satan takes the Word of God and changes it just enough to pervert it to his own purposes. Where we need to be careful is to not forget that happiness should not depend on the things which we have. Jesus didn't have much more than food and raiment.
Luke 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

Those that say we will "own nothing and be happy" have a different meaning than what Jesus meant but we should still look at things with Biblical glasses and make sure our emphasis is on the proper meaning.
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Matthew 6:341-34
As Christians, we should be able to own nothing and be happy/joyful.

Luke 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Blessings.
 
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