Wagner group --no opera song, now heading to North Africa from Mother Russia with greedy motives

Discussion in 'Gog / Magog' started by athenasius, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    I was interested recently hearing of more from the Russian mercenary army known as The Wagner Group or Vagner. Russia may have started another similar group known as The Patriots.

    They are apparently getting heavily into Libya of all places. Another oil rich zone.

    You may recall the downing of that Malaysian passenger jet over Crimea during the Russian takeover from the Ukraine bout 3 years back before Trump. The Wagner group was "helping" the disorganized Russian speaking rebels to try to bring down the legitimate Ukrainian govt, and ended up embroiled in controversy. Russia took the Crimea away from the Ukraine.

    It was the Wagner group that attacked the US forces embedded with the Kurdish resistance in the OIL FIELDS area of Northern Syria. They got slaughtered for that stupidity.

    They are involved in Syria, heavily. They were brought in in greater numbers when Russia did the "pullout" briefly (Putin was facing election back home) of Syria. That was a public relations move, which allowed Russia to embed more of it's unofficial army in Syria while claimed to reduce regular army numbers all for a giant PR move.

    Oddly they are also involved in the Sudan aka CUSH if you are thinking Ez 38 like I am.

    The Wagner group's activities are murky. Russian reporters who report on them die in mysterious circumstances.

    They seem to be used as advance armed forces to travel to areas where Russia wants what is called Plausible Deniability. So Putin can wash his hands in public, pretending that these are "volunteers" acting on their own.

    Poking around I saw this article from about 6 weeks ago and it has the best analysis I've seen and seems pretty credible.

    It certainly lines up with what I'm hearing from other sources, thus lending credibility to the possibility we may be

    seeing Russia moving into Libya soon.

    But let's call it PUT like Ezekiel did. And then there is the involvement in the Sudan or as Ezekiel called it CUSH.

  2. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member


    LOL I got so excited, I almost forgot the link.

    In my reading, and this next might have been Wiki, I don't remember, one of the sources I was reading said another interesting detail

    When recruits sign up for Wagner or Patriots, the largely MUSLIM Russians from Chechnya are not taken. They aren't allowed in those groups at all. No matter what. These groups are for ethnic Russians without Muslim ties.

    Muslims from Chechnya who have proven their loyalty to Russia are allowed to be cannon fodder in the regular army but not in the elite shock troop groups like Wagner or Patriot.

    As my friend daygo on the boards often says: "makes you think" and boy does it ever.
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  3. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    So if events run true to form in Putin land, or Gog's fertile little power crazy brain, we should be seeing an interesting build up in Libya or a takeover by Russia similar to what we saw happen in Syria.

    I do think that Mr Putin is puttering around with something pusillanimous because he's been acting like he is sending up distractions lately on other fronts. I can't remember the thread recently in which I opined that Putin was about to do something or other disgusting because he was doing a classic Russian distraction move but if you all remember, just put the link in here ok?
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  4. Almost Heaven

    Almost Heaven Well-Known Member

    You had to figure Putin was not going to ignore all the Libyan oil forever. Qadaffi losing power has left a huge gap and Putin is just the guy to fill in the hole. Another piece of the Gog/Magog puzzle clicks into place if Libya lefts Putin "manage" things for them. Keep watching!
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  5. Betty

    Betty Well-Known Member

    Things are falling into place. Thank you for sharing. I don’t alsways see things as they happen.
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  6. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    While the mods look after that, it fits with what I've been observing of the Russian mercenary activity since the downing of the Malaysian airliner, and it's what sparked me to investigate this latest incursion into Libya.

    As the TV cop shows always say "follow the money" and they are right.

    Here is another interesting tidbit. https://africaoilandpower.com/2018/10/08/south-sudan-russias-jsc-zarubezhneft-to-cooperate-in-oil/

    What is interesting here is that it's dated Oct 8 of this year. And it's a Russian oil biggy locking up the SOUTH SUDAN oil. South Sudan is CUSH.

    Pay attention to this quote from the article:
    "JSC Zarubezhneft, a state-owned oil company based in Moscow, specializes in international exploration and production work, especially development and operation.

    Under the agreement, Nilepet, South Sudan’s state-owned oil company, will share information on current projects and new projects possible for joint operation. JSC Zarubezhneft will also provide technical assistance on engineering and research and development.

    South Sudan has proved reserves of 3.5 billion barrels of oil, with much of the country still unexplored. The government, led by President Salva Kiir, is keen to raise oil production and has been seeking international investors.

    Sounds to me like Mother Russia is moving in and measuring for drapes and carpets. They have this agreement, which won't be easily backed out of, and they have a contingent of Vagner or Wagner Russian mercenaries to make sure the local officials comply with every Russian request or else.

    Russia just locked it up. They will be expecting to use these oil resources to feed north to their markets in Europe. this group does a lot of the work to ramp up production but also distribution. Which means pipe lines.

    and any other "international investors" as the article euphemistically describes them, simply better not interfere with Putin and "mother" Russia! If they value life and limb.

    Expect similar innocently worded announcements from Libya. Coming soon.
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  7. Carl

    Carl Well-Known Member

    Where did You ever find that word? I never saw it in school.
    pu·sil·lan·i·mous | \ˌpyü-sə-ˈla-nə-məs also ˌpyü-zə- \
    Definition of pusillanimous
    : lacking courage and resolution : marked by contemptible timidity
    from merriam Webster
  8. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, where I grew up the usual word was GUTLESS.
  9. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    I just like when I play with a bunch of words that all start with the same letter. Sort of like this comment is brought to you by the letter P as in Putin’s persnickety process of pusillanimous prevarication on the world stage. It just gives me a little thrill of joy. And helps me stick my tongue out at Putin in a mildly rude but still ladylike way! However I m out on the strictest definition because timid he ain’t. But it just rolled off so musically I could not resist
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  10. Salluz

    Salluz Well-Known Member

    Absolutely admirable alliteration
  11. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    :D Thanks!

    I gotta wonder if Russia sending in their best troops in these elite mercenaries along with teams of oil specialists to secure and start selling the oil fro Cush & Put means that things are going to really speed up.

    Nobody knows WHEN but it’s sure getting interesting!!!
  12. DanLMP

    DanLMP Well-Known Member

    The secondary message inherent in Athenasius OP is not just that Russia is getting involved with the side players of Ezek 38-39, but also that it is apparent that Russia is ready, willing and able to infiltrate foreign powers for their own gain.

    Read that as helpful, potential confirmation of what we expect is the reason for Gog's invasion of Israel, oil (without alliteration).
  13. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    Absolutely right Dan, Russia has gone from a Monarchy where the ruling family and the "nobility" controlled the wealth--stole from the peasants, to a Communist dictatorship where the communists at the top of the heap-- former peasants stole the wealth including anything they could grab from their fellow peasants, till the laws of economics caught up and Russia had an economic collapse in the late Reagan years. That led to the Robber Baron era after that collapse, -the rise of the oligarchs including Putin and his gang as well as the very oligarch that controls the Wagner group. They are now looking outside the country for more wealth to steal. Their power base has been rebuilt, and they plan to use it.
  14. athenasius

    athenasius Well-Known Member

    Oh my Dan, look at how what you said just happened even more in South Sudan (ancient Cush for those thinking EZ 38)
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