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There is a way that seems right to a man, but ends in death.

God gave us prophecy, told us in advance what would happen, so when it came to pass we would know that He is God.

He inspired the Scriptures, and is able to maintain them. Trust His Word. Understand it simply at face value by the leading of the Holy Spirit, ask Him to show you deeper things as you are able. To the natural man the things of God are foolishness.

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I wonder how we know what we have as the Bible is really all that God has to say to us? And how can we trust that the people that compiled the Bible over centuries and translated from the autographs didn't have an agenda? And what about all those scrolls an other written works that have been discovered since?

Is it better to work with one's own relationship with God? Using the Bible as a guide? Or do we have to ascribe strictly to the scriptures in order to "get it right"?
How are you coming along with that question of yours "Is it better to work with one's own relationship with God? Using the Bible as a guide? Or do we have to ascribe strictly to the scriptures in order to "get it right"? "

Are you still wondering? Or are you more settled in your heart and mind that the Bible is fully accurate and the one and only Word of God?

I like and agree with lenraff's post as well as AndyC's posts on the inerrancy of the Bible. They answer the question "can we trust the Bible is the Word of God, and is the Bible really all that God has to say".

It's a question that starts in the Garden when Satan says to Eve "has God REALLY said..." There always will be people who doubt the Bible. Or who claim to have faith in God or a relationship with God but refuse to stay within the Bible's parameters.

Satan came to Eve in a subtle way, seemingly in agreement that God spoke to Eve, but casting doubt on the exact words.

The problem with faith in God based on experiences outside the Bible --or anything that calls itself a word from God --is that it is subjective. It can vary a LOT depending on the person, their experiences, their world view etc.

God gave us His Word so that we are not to be tossed about by every wind of doctrine. It is an OBJECTIVE standard that we can measure every other "voice" that says it's from God. The Berean's did it right, and they immediately go to the Scriptures and check to see "if these things be so". In other words if it doesn't line up with scripture, it isn't from GOD.

So my answer is yes we do have to ascribe strictly to the scriptures in order to "get it right". Because there is no other objective standard. It's the Bible or nothing because the God of the Bible gave us His Word as He reveals Himself in that Word. It is in the Bible that we find the way of Salvation. There is no other Name under Heaven by which we might be saved, but the Name of Jesus. If we can't trust the Bible, then we can't trust God to save us. Because it's in that very Bible that we find out His promises to us that all who call on the Name of the Lord will be saved.

Satan and his minions test all those who place their faith in God by questioning the Bible, and it's still the same old question: "Hath God really said????" Thru history Satan has made sure that plenty of alternate holy books have come about, none of which stack up to the Bible for accuracy or prophecy fulfilled or remaining contextually linked regardless of which book within the Bible you look at. It all fits together in spite of being written over millennia. Because there is but one true AUTHOR, with a number of people He used to write it.

Like our decision to accept God at His Word and accept His One and Only Son Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord, we must also decide if we will accept God's Word as Truly HIS. If we don't then our faith is easily shaken and moved.

Proverbs 30:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

This verse means don't add to God's Word. It's echoed by Jesus in Revelation 22, the last verses of the Bible, in which Jesus says not to add to the book or take away from it or the curses within it will come upon the one who does so.

Matthew 24:35 New International Version (NIV)
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus meant what He said. His words, the Bible will not pass away. They are eternal.

John 1:1 New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 New International Version (NIV)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

These 2 verses explain the connection between God and His Word and Jesus His Son, also The Word.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

This reassures us that all scripture comes from God.

1 Peter 1:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

And here is the assurance that we are born again thru the living and enduring word of God. Jesus is the Word of God, and His Word is faithful for all eternity. We can trust our salvation in Him because of the Word of God.

Revelation 22:16- King James Version (KJV)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I've always been struck by that passage in Rev 22 at the end. Those who claim to speak in God's name, and claim to add their bit to the Bible will face the most awful judgement of God. That would mean everyone like Joseph Smith and his book of Mormon, to Sarah Young writing a book that purports to be the words of Jesus to the gnostics of John's day who wrote some pretty awful gnostic heresy and claimed it to be part of the gospel.

Welcome Popcornfish!! Just a few words on the Bible,
The Bible is a supernaturally inspired communication from outside of time to mankind. The Bible says it is inspired, translated "God Breathed", because it not only explains history in advance, but every word has been perfectly compiled to express not only the very existence of a Living and Loving Creator, but also to reveal the only way to know Him. Here I would like to explore some of the basic features of this love letter to mankind.

The Bible is made up of the Old and New Testaments consisting of 66 books in total; 39 in the Old, and 27 in the New. The Old Testament (called the Septuagint, the Greek Old Testament) can be further defined as the first five Books being the Pentateuch containing the law, the Books of the Judges and the Kings, and finally the Books of the Prophets. The New Testament can be defined as the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles, and the Revelation.

The Bible was written by 40 different authors from three different continents over a 1500 year period, in three different languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. The unity and theme is perfectly in tune, regardless of time and space between authors. It is said to be an integrated message from outside of time, ie; Eternity. Fully one third of the Bible is prophecy. The prophecies have a record of 100% accuracy. No other book, religious or otherwise, in history contains prophecy and can boast this perfect record.

It is commonly taught that," The New Testament in the Old is concealed, and the Old Testament in the New is revealed." Concealed in the Old Testament in almost every book, we find references to Jesus Christ.

The Bible contains the oldest example of Prose (The Book of Job) poetry, science, moral teachings, child rearing, government, finances, agriculture, entomology, marriage, war, geology, astronomy, commerce, mathematics, and economics as well as the entire history and genealogy of mankind, past, present and future.

The Bible is the most popular book ever written and is known and read in every country on earth. In 2012, a study found that over 3.9 Billion copies were sold, and this doesn't include the free donated copies by missionary organizations. ( For comparison, Harry Potter had sold 400 million).

The Bible is historically and scientifically accurate 100% of the time. Every challenge to its authenticity through the years has been defeated by scientific or archaeological discoveries.

It has been said "The Bible is the Anvil upon which all the skeptic's hammers have been worn out." The Bible tells us all mankind has descended from two parents: Adam and Eve. Geneticists studying DNA have traced man's origin to two parents. Variations in mitochondrial DNA between people have conclusively shown that all people have descended from one female, just as it is stated in Scripture.( a very popular discovery for those clinging to the crumbling Darwinian Religion!No data for format
There exists an astounding number of ancient manuscripts extant: 5,000 Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin and 9,000 other--totaling over 24,000 manuscript copies or portions of the New Testament. The Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 are dated from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D. These manuscripts predate by 1,000 years the previous oldest manuscripts. They represent every Old Testament Book except Esther (as well as non-Biblical writings). There is word for word identity in more than 95% of the cases, and the 5% variation consists mostly of slips of the pen and spelling. (
The Old Testament has been more accurately transmitted to us than any other ancient writing of comparable age. The textual evidence is greater for both the and New Testaments than any other historically reliable ancient document. The ancient scribes were very meticulous.
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