Vegetarianism Has Become an End-Time Religion

Jojo4124

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There's terabytes of misleading info on the web. As with many other fringe movements, pics and videos are taken and stretched and pulled until they don't reflect reality. There is a lot of deception out there and there are many gullible people deeply affected by it. I'm personally not puzzled at all and fully support animal husbandry and the process of providing meats from varying animals to the marketplace. Killing an animal is part of that process. I've broken a few chicken's necks in my time and then dipped the fresh carcass in boiling water before defeathering...
My girls like to hunt and fish...
I am thankful to live in a time, so far, where we dont have to defeather chickens...I think it was a tough process...
 

alisani

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The problem with thinking that all animals for meat or eggs are mistreated is that isn't the case. My daughter and her husband have a farm, they raise grass fed lamb for meat plus the adults are sheared for the wool, free range chickens and turkeys for eggs and meat, and their animals are well kept happy and are a little too free range at times.

One chicken likes coming up and laying eggs on the deck. It's her happy place. The chickens love the grandkids (follow the trail of grain) and it's mutual. It gets problematic when they free range into the vegetable patch (which also feeds the family and supplies the farmer's market on occasion).

One day I was on the phone to my daughter and one of the grandkids was yelling "mum come quick, the lambs got into the basement and somebody is barfin upstairs."

DD had stepped outside a moment for a peaceful chat, and all the lambs broke loose along with a touchy toddler's stomach.

I have no problem finding local beef from similar operations here and when I shop in the store it's quite easy to find free range eggs, grass fed dairy etc.

The local abbatoir is a humane operation, they don't want to damage or upset the animals before quickly killing them with the least stress possible because as anyone in the industry knows, that affects the meat, it isn't good. Stress hormones, fractures are bad for business. When the day comes those animals around here have 1 bad day compared to a lifetime of sunshine, grassy pastures and a happy life being what they are.

I pass that abbatoir every time I go up to the farm, it's 45 minutes south of the farm and the local cattle ranchers use it too.

I also know owners of big dairy farms, cattle ranches and egg farms. My grandfather on my dad's side was a cattle rancher. The cousins that helped my inlaws make it out of China in 1950 were egg farmers here in Abbotsford BC. A friend of mine is a dairy farmer's wife in Ontario with a big dairy herd.

None of them mistreated their animals, nor does it make sense. I know it happens at times, there are bad apples everywhere and exceptions to the rule. But PETA has been found out in some of their exposes for being frauds so I don't believe them.

There are actual physical problems with vegan diets. Vegetarians who eat eggs and dairy are ok but Vegans need to supplement with B12 and then there is the amino acid Carnitine, which is found in meat. Your body stores enough for about 10 years worth, so beginner vegans and vegetarians are ok for some time.

Some people need more than others. But it can affect the heart muscle which uses carnitine even though it wasn't considered an "essential" amino acid.

Those are just 2 problems.

In my own experience, when I started to really get ill in 1999, I tried going vegetarian to help heal the fatigue that was bothering me. When that didn't help I tried a vegan diet.

I got steadily worse. My thyroid blew up like a balloon and I had arthritis so bad it was hard to move. I was diagnosed with thyroiditis, and chronic fatigue and I still didn't clue in. My cholesterol was soaring, in spite of being on a virtually fat free diet which was what everyone said was healing at that time. I was gaining weight like nobody's business despite that fat free diet that was sure to help me lose weight "safely"

Finally in desperation I prayed for God to show me what to do. And I thought about what was different, and it was the beans and other legumes. So I got rid of those-- peanuts, soy, tofu, lentils, chickpeas, green peas, green beans, you name it, if it's a legume I stopped eating it altogether, and it helped.

I ate a little meat but carefully got rid of the fat. A bit of energy came back but over the months the arthritis disappeared. I still hadn't learnt so I kept my whole grains and I was eating far too much kale, cabbage and broccoli (I actually really like them).

I ended up with diverticulitis and my thyroid continued to worsen.

Then about 2010 or so I read Gary Taube's book on Why We Get Fat, and he mentioned the connection between auto immune diseases, of which I had plenty by then, and the high fibre low fat diets being pushed for health.

He had the studies, and the science to help me understand why the things I'd been taught in the 70s and 80s as an RN were the exact opposite of what my body needed. I went on to read Lierre Kieth's groundbreaking book The Vegetarian Myth in which she explains a lot of why vegetarian myths get pushed on us, and it made sense and I read the blistering critique of the China Study done by Denise Minger.

I went out and started back on the low carb diet I liked (but was afraid would kill me) from the early 80s complete with loads of animal fat, high fat dairy, meat and I took out GRAINS and tried to wean myself off the cabbage family at least for a time. I lost 40 lbs along the way.

It all helped. It wasn't a cure, I'd done too much damage to my body in my earlier years. Maybe if I'd started sooner-- but now I have a tool to use to prevent diverticulitis flares or help heal them when I eat too much fibre and veggies. It helps my energy level to a degree. I still have flare ups of the fatigue, very bad ones but I'm not in a wheelchair like we thought was next 12 years ago. I don't have arthritis unless I accidentally eat green peas or lentils or peanut butter in a recipe. That will last 6 weeks when I do.

What frightens me with this vegetarian agenda is that people like me who can't live on a vegetarian diet let alone a vegan one are brushed aside and there are a lot of people like me in the auto immune "community" online who have the same story.

Everyone is different.

I don't mind people being vegetarian or vegan as long as they don't do 2 things. 1 being to spread the lies. 2 being to stop me from eating meat. PETA does both.
We've had some similarities in health issues and diet epiphanies. If I don't get sufficient protein from the right sources, my fatigue and joint pain soars. They say gut health has a lot to do with autoimmune issues, so I focus on keeping my digestive system happy and I find I feel better overall, with fewer flares.
 

Jojo4124

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I adore sprouts! lol
Lol you can have my portion!!!
When I was a kid, my grandparents came to visit, bringing home cooked food. Somehow, as Grandma unloaded and brought things into the house, the container of brussels sprouts ended up on the ground behind their car. Grandpa, for whatever reason, backed the car up...n RAN OVER those sprouts! Lol

I never discussed this with Grandpa, but I felt a special kinship with him from that day on! Lol
 

alisani

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Part of me wishes that I didn’t have such a sensitive soul. But the rest of me wouldn’t change a thing. I actually consider a deeply sensitive soul to be a precious gift from God. But on the other hand, there is a steep price to pay for being very sensitive about things which most other people couldn’t care less about. The suffering of others - both human and animal, suffering which you can do nothing to stop or at least alieviate to some degree - it will deeply wound you. And that’s where I am, and where I’ve always been.

My comfort comes from the knowledge that my heart is fully known to God…because He made it that way. I don’t understand why I’m so sensitive…but He does.
I'm so glad you posted this because I was about to respond to your previous post. You've said exactly what I was going to say about the beauty and purpose of a sensitive soul. I am of similar make and model, it definitely isn't easy! :hug

You don't need to justify your food choices sister. And I too very much look forward to a time when the animal kingdom is at peace and delivered from the consequences of man's sin. To see all of creation finally back in harmony will be second only to seeing the face of Jesus.
 

alisani

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Lol you can have my portion!!!
When I was a kid, my grandparents came to visit, bringing home cooked food. Somehow, as Grandma unloaded and brought things into the house, the container of brussels sprouts ended up on the ground behind their car. Grandpa, for whatever reason, backed the car up...n RAN OVER those sprouts! Lol

I never discussed this with Grandpa, but I felt a special kinship with him from that day on! Lol
That is hilarious, I love it! I'm the only one in my family who likes them, they even complain about the smell. So if I do eat them, I'll fire up the outside grill and eat surreptitiously so as not to deal with their disgust.
 

Andy C

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In my opinion, the fact that eating animal flesh did not become a reality until after the fall of mankind when sin entered the world - says it ALL. It was something God NEVER intended…but SIN ushered it in…and one day, Jesus will usher it right back out again…FOREVER…
You believe that something happened, that God did not see coming? Really? God knew before we were created that animals would eventually be part of the food He approves of us eating.
 

Andy C

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I'm a proud member of PETA. "People Eating Tasty Animals"

Seriously, I'm really a libertarian. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Don't bother me and I won't bother you, but unfortunately so many today want to try and dictate what others think, do, or say. (democrats, socialists, communists) all the same thing. Marxism no matter what you call it.
I was scrolling through to see if anyone else used your PETA definition. You beat me to it.

I firmly believe we are to eat whatever we feel is best for us, and let others make their own choices which have zero impact on my own choices.
 

soundingthealarm

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“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving” – (1 Timothy 4:1-4).

If that said "abstain from eating skittles or popcorn or whatever substitute, even if I didn't like it, I would refrain from aligning with the opposition to the alerting prophetic warning
 

Epieikes

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Best takeaways from this thread to me...

Like much else, debating the agenda of a movement and analyzing how a preferential practice affects individuals are two different things.

When you know that a God-chasing sister or brother in Christ differs from you in preferential practice for transparent reasons on a non salvation issue, what might be the most loving way to react? Yes, it's good to be reminded that a ton of false info exists in Cyberland, info that often drives our choices. But if something works for you health wise (physically or psychologically), and if the Lord personally confirms it for you, why not continue?

The tone of the original article struck a nerve in different readers for different reasons. The tone, perhaps, more than the issue itself. We all err in how we come across, even the most gifted writers, from time to time. But, Umbrella Girl...from one "sensitive" to another, rock on. Truth is...we're all sensitive. We just haven't gotten around to all of the personally-revelatory triggers. ❤
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
I LOVE hearing farm animal stories!!! Well, any animal, they are so funny!!! A chicken laying on the porch, lol!!

Last time I visited my sister, she was down to one chicken. One of my jobs while visiting was to feed the chicken. Instead of feeding once a day I fed her just a little every time I left the house to go somewhere (usually breakfast, lunch, or dinner). The chicken started waiting around for me at the feeding location... I couldn't leave without feeding her something, even if I was in a hurry... That chicken and I became such good friends that my sister was feeling a wee bit jealous. Of course, the chicken didn't know it was my sister paying for the food...
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Knew that was coming, just wasn't sure who'd get in there first, you or @Tall Timbers

:p
TT does not wake up until at least 11am.:snoopy Plus, it takes him awhile to undo the swaddle he sleeps in.:taz

The only reason the ancient one (@Andy C ) beat me to it was because I was out doing my daily run. I did give his post a 100% response since I'm in agreement. I wonder if that swaddle is why my back always hurts so much when I first get up in the morning...
 
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