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Through Faith in Jesus
Welcome Zyndyna to RF. 
Well, first of all a huge wake up call for America to seek the Lord in repentance and faith in Jesus. It's often the hard times that finally penetrate hard hearts to seek the help of the Lord. In His mercy, He does permissively allow difficulties to break up the hard soil of hearts to receive the seed of the Good News....repentance (changing mind about sin) and turning to Jesus in faith, trusting His work on the cross to completely save a person, utterly.
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
Proverbs 3 has some excellent advice on how best to respond in any situation:
5Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.
8 It will be healing to your body
And refreshment to your bones.
9 Honor the Lord from your wealth,
And from the first of all your produce;
10 Then your barns will be filled with plenty,
And your vats will overflow with new wine.
And Proverbs 30 has some examples of how to prepare for difficult times:
24Four things are small on the earth,
But they are exceedingly wise:
25 The ants are not a strong people,
But they prepare their food in the summer
And, Psalms 37 assures the reader that the Lord will provide for His children....even in famine:
23The steps of a man are established by the Lord,
And He delights in his way.
24 When he falls, he will not be hurled down,
Because the Lord is the One who holds his hand.
25 I have been young and now I am old,
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken
Or his descendants begging for bread.
26 All day long he is gracious and lends,
And his descendants are a blessing.
27 Turn from evil and do good,
So that you will dwell forever.
28 For the Lord loves justice
And does not abandon His godly ones;
They are protected forever,
Additionally it seems that we are moving along God's prophetic time clock which means we are that much closer to the coming of Jesus Christ to snatch His Bride away before the wrath of God begins as described in Revelation.
Zyndyna, have you repented and placed your faith in Jesus Christ for the salvation of your soul? He did all the hard work for us, He just wants our trust in Him and He'll bring us safely home to Him as a result.
Well, first of all a huge wake up call for America to seek the Lord in repentance and faith in Jesus. It's often the hard times that finally penetrate hard hearts to seek the help of the Lord. In His mercy, He does permissively allow difficulties to break up the hard soil of hearts to receive the seed of the Good News....repentance (changing mind about sin) and turning to Jesus in faith, trusting His work on the cross to completely save a person, utterly.
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
Proverbs 3 has some excellent advice on how best to respond in any situation:
5Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.
8 It will be healing to your body
And refreshment to your bones.
9 Honor the Lord from your wealth,
And from the first of all your produce;
10 Then your barns will be filled with plenty,
And your vats will overflow with new wine.
And Proverbs 30 has some examples of how to prepare for difficult times:
24Four things are small on the earth,
But they are exceedingly wise:
25 The ants are not a strong people,
But they prepare their food in the summer
And, Psalms 37 assures the reader that the Lord will provide for His children....even in famine:
23The steps of a man are established by the Lord,
And He delights in his way.
24 When he falls, he will not be hurled down,
Because the Lord is the One who holds his hand.
25 I have been young and now I am old,
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken
Or his descendants begging for bread.
26 All day long he is gracious and lends,
And his descendants are a blessing.
27 Turn from evil and do good,
So that you will dwell forever.
28 For the Lord loves justice
And does not abandon His godly ones;
They are protected forever,
Additionally it seems that we are moving along God's prophetic time clock which means we are that much closer to the coming of Jesus Christ to snatch His Bride away before the wrath of God begins as described in Revelation.
Zyndyna, have you repented and placed your faith in Jesus Christ for the salvation of your soul? He did all the hard work for us, He just wants our trust in Him and He'll bring us safely home to Him as a result.
It would mean harder times for some or even many and wouldn't make much difference for others.
Spartan Sprinter 1
Formerly known as Shaun
If this happens to America, it will also have a flow on effect globally
TimeWarpWife
Well-Known Member
It means life will go on as usual for the politicians and the rich, while we working class peons will suffer with continuing skyrocketing prices for gas, food, utilities, and all the other basic necessities needed to live ~ until we can't afford anything. I believe at that point it's called a Great Depression. Don't forget we've been promised that we'll own nothing and be happy about it. Unfortunately, they left out the part about them being responsible for taking away everything we have by purposely causing a global financial collapse so they can finally be the elitist world dictators they've been frothing at the mouth to be for decades. 
However, they will eventually be suffering themselves with the wrath of Almighty God in the coming Tribulation so they won't be getting off scot-free for what they're doing now. Even the ones who die prior to the Tribulation, won't get away with their evil forever because He will mete out His righteous judgment on all of them at the White Throne Judgment.
However, they will eventually be suffering themselves with the wrath of Almighty God in the coming Tribulation so they won't be getting off scot-free for what they're doing now. Even the ones who die prior to the Tribulation, won't get away with their evil forever because He will mete out His righteous judgment on all of them at the White Throne Judgment.
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GEOINTAnalyst
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While Deutsche Bank is the first major bank to forecast an imminent economic downturn, investors, both retail and professional, share the group’s gloomy outlook. According to a Bloomberg Markets Live survey conducted between March 29 and April 1, 48 percent of investors expect the US to fall into recession next year. Another 21 percent expect the downturn to happen in 2024, while 15 percent of the 525 respondents expect the recession to come as early as this year.
Recessions come in many shapes. They can be deep but brief, like the pandemic recession which lasted two months but deleted 22 million jobs and sent the unemployment rate briefly to 14.7%.
They can be deep and scarring, like the Great Recession or the Depression of the 1930s, taking a decade or longer for the labor market to revive.
Economists and analysts have recently flagged the possibility that the United States is headed into a "shallow recession," one in which the economy contracts only marginally, and for a limited time.
Real income is calculated by measuring personal income, adjusting it for inflation, and discounting social security measures such as welfare payments. A decline in real income reduces purchasing power. In other words your money will buy less since it will be devalued
Everlasting said:
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
How sweet it is. God provides for His children,........always.
We must forget especially going through current tough times.
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
How sweet it is. God provides for His children,........always.
We must forget especially going through current tough times.
Everlasting said:
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
How sweet it is. God provides for His children,........always.
We must not forget especially going through current tough times
In the past with market collapses (such as the 1920's), there followed a time of great lack of food, money, jobs and the ensuing results of all of these. However, during those times like the 1920's are stories of those who trusted the Lord and they were faithfully provided for. For the sake of growth in Christ, God does allow difficulties in a Christian's life, but steady faith in Christ brings about great rewards and again, God faithfully provides, even in the most 'impossible' situations.
How sweet it is. God provides for His children,........always.
We must not forget especially going through current tough times
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
The Lord always provided for my parents, their parents, and their grandparents during the Great Depression and through other hard times.
The Lord has always provided for me. Even when times have been tough, He has always made sure I had what I needed and then some. Maybe not what I preferred or wanted, but what I needed. God's bounty is infinite and will never run out
Sometimes, The Lord leads people to prepare for hard times, as in Noah and Pharoah/Joseph in Egypt. Sometimes, The Lord uses tragedy or sin to later bless people, as in Joseph and the coat of many colors, and his family's later ability to obtain food during the famine. Sometimes, The Lord leads people to leave NOW without taking much, if anything, as in Lot. Sometimes, The Lord leads people to take their entire house and possessions and go, as in Abram. It's important to pray and LISTEN to what The Lord's will is for you and your family, and then do it.
It's most important to have one's spiritual house in order and be prepared for persecution. Right now, faith in the Bible as The Word of God and in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, is easy and cheap in the West, but someday, perhaps very soon, that could change. Being an active member of a Bible believing, teaching, and preaching church is essential because it's easier to withstand temptation and persecution when one has the support of other believers. Right now, it's easy and relatively cheap to purchase Bibles, hymnals, and Bible references. Under persecution, this changes drastically. FWIW, best to not rely on only digital copies.
Finally, when Jesus comes back, I'd much rather He found me doing His work than conforming to the world, cowering, or sinning. I firmly believe that God has brought the 10-40 Window here because we did such a crummy job taking The Gospel there (for several reasons). We either bless the muslims with The Gospel, or God will curse us with sharia.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:18-20, KJV
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37-40, KJV
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:10-16, KJV
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14, KJV
22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Luke 12:22-34, KJV
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:14-22, KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:16-18, KJV
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Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
ROOT while editing [sigh]
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:1-7, KJV
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:4-9, KJV
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:1-7, KJV
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:4-9, KJV
Carl
Well-Known Member
Ghoti Ichthus What you just posted in 9 and 10 means so much to me. Here you are posting this dynamic response to the thread without any special credentials that I know of. Yet you are more spot on than most of the churches. My question is when are the claimed Christians going to wake up and cry out to The God in Heaven Our Savior for their sin! Thank You
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
[aw, shucks . . . thank you]
It's The Holy Ghost
It might take persecution. The Church always gets stronger and grows (not like church-growth movement) under persecution.
There's a saying, that if God does not judge the United States soon, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
We need to get on our knees or faces and confess our sins and beg The Almighty God for forgiveness, to spare our country for the sake of the righteous, and heal our land, all in the Name of Jesus Christ, and for His sake. Abraham begged God for forbearance of judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah on Lot's behalf, and there were so few righteous remaining that God executed same after His angels removed Lot and his family.
Martin Luther was constantly confessing his sins (multiple times a day). His confessors got really annoyed with him
I know public confession is uncomfortable for people that are not used to it, but I get great comfort from corporate congregational confession and absolution/announcement of grace at the beginning of Worship on Sunday mornings. Not a substitute by any means for private, specific confession to God.
We need to be salt and light and lead pious lives so that others are drawn to the Church instead of repulsed by it.
(Book, also available as free pdf, Pia Desideria, by Spener, discusses Pietism and how unrepentant sin by Christians besmirches the Church's reputation and witness). Definitely not PC.
If the Pastors in the pulpit are too PC or scared to confront sin in our own house (the Church), the Elders need to do their job and either "fix it," or revoke calls issue new calls. If the Elders won't do their job, the Deacons, Deaconesses, and Congregational leaders need to step in. Failing that, individual Congregants need to talk to their Elders and the Pastor, and if need be, clap their sandals off as they leave.
Once the sin is cleansed from the Church, then it can work on the world. Moral authority, etc. Pretty hypocritical for a church to decry the murder of unborn babies while clergy are helping themselves to the children.
As the Church goes, so goes the neighborhood, community, country, world . . .
Sorry this is kind of disorganized and jumbled. Just can't get it to come out the way I want it to [sigh]
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cheeky200386
Well-Known Member
Thank you so much for posting all of those Bible Verses. It is extremely comforting and encouraging. God bless you for obeying the Holy Spirit![aw, shucks . . . thank you]
It's The Holy Ghost
It might take persecution. The Church always gets stronger and grows (not like church-growth movement) under persecution.
There's a saying, that if God does not judge the United States soon, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
We need to get on our knees or faces and confess our sins and beg The Almighty God for forgiveness, to spare our country for the sake of the righteous, and heal our land, all in the Name of Jesus Christ, and for His sake. Abraham begged God for forbearance of judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah on Lot's behalf, and there were so few righteous remaining that God executed same after His angels removed Lot and his family.
Martin Luther was constantly confessing his sins (multiple times a day). His confessors got really annoyed with him
I know public confession is uncomfortable for people that are not used to it, but I get great comfort from corporate congregational confession and absolution/announcement of grace at the beginning of Worship on Sunday mornings. Not a substitute by any means for private, specific confession to God.
We need to be salt and light and lead pious lives so that others are drawn to the Church instead of repulsed by it.
(Book, also available as free pdf, Pia Desideria, by Spener, discusses Pietism and how unrepentant sin by Christians besmirches the Church's reputation and witness). Definitely not PC.
If the Pastors in the pulpit are too PC or scared to confront sin in our own house (the Church), the Elders need to do their job and either "fix it," or revoke calls issue new calls. If the Elders won't do their job, the Deacons, Deaconesses, and Congregational leaders need to step in. Failing that, individual Congregants need to talk to their Elders and the Pastor, and if need be, clap their sandals off as they leave.
Once the sin is cleansed from the Church, then it can work on the world. Moral authority, etc. Pretty hypocritical for a church to decry the murder of unborn babies while clergy are helping themselves to the children.
As the Church goes, so goes the neighborhood, community, country, world . . .
Sorry this is kind of disorganized and jumbled. Just can't get it to come out the way I want it to [sigh]
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