US finds debris from fighter jet one day after crash

Andy C

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The best news is the pilot is ok and there were no civilians injured. The airplane while a big hit to the American taxpayers pocket book, will be a learning experience for DoD and Foreign forces that own it. Sorry for being so long winded.
Yes.

From what I researched, this is the 10th F35 in all global forces who fly them, to have crashed. Roughly 100 million cost per F35.
 

Wally

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I suspect the planes are getting so complex that only Ai can fly them, unless we are talking sci fi where the pilot truly integrates with the plane...

this harkens to the techno thriller Dreamland series
 

fl2007rn

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My thoughts on why they were flying on weekend anyways is it could've been a pilot in upgrade training and failed something during the week and was getting his/her second try that day.

I'm more familiar with Air Force aviation procedures than the Marines but they could've been down in Charleston shooting touch and go's. The Air Force does that all the time, our pilots will fly to other bases to do touch and go's because it's different Air traffic controllers, different layout than home station.
I live by Patrick Space Force Base in Florida (Previously an Air Force Base) and we have all kinds of air planes and helicopters that do touch and go's and practice flights all the time, especially on the weekends and they are not assigned to Patrick. The flights on the weekends are often the Air National Guard and reservists from all over the country. I enjoy watching them fly by my house even if my dogs bark at them. :bluesclues
 

Andy C

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I live by Patrick Space Force Base in Florida (Previously an Air Force Base) and we have all kinds of air planes and helicopters that do touch and go's and practice flights all the time, especially on the weekends and they are not assigned to Patrick. The flights on the weekends are often the Air National Guard and reservists from all over the country. I enjoy watching them fly by my house even if my dogs bark at them. :bluesclues
We lived in NC near a Marine Air station with Jets, and helos. There is a big sign outside the main entrance to the station “Pardon our noise, its the sound of freedom”.
 

SJ129

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All I can say is that there was an Air China 737 parked at Charleston AFB for 3 days afterwards. They were *supposedly* carrying delegates to the UN meeting in NY, but stopped here first. That’s what the media says anyway. The plane was being heavily guarded.
Source- my husband is DoD/ former AF and works at JBCHS.
 

ComeWhatMay

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Yes.

From what I researched, this is the 10th F35 in all global forces who fly them, to have crashed. Roughly 100 million cost per F35.
We were talking about that at work. The F35 has a lot of bells and whistles in it, but seems to have problems with the most basic part of it's job which is flying. Luckily it has the Martin-Baker seat in it which is a very reliable seat.

We looked it up and they started manufacturing it in 2009. In 14 years with 10 mishaps is concerning. Especially at that price tag per copy. I wonder how that compares to other airplanes.
 

ComeWhatMay

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I read that the pilot was ejected at 1,000 feet which is pretty low for jumping and he landed in someones back yard. They called 911 to get an ambulance for the pilot. Luckily he was not injured.
1000 ft isn't the best altitude for ejecting, but seats today are what's called zero-zero capable. Meaning the pilot can eject on the ground and get enough altitude to get a swing to a swing and half in the parachute before landing.

I picture in my mind a family out back grilling burgers and hot dogs and a Marine lands in their back yard. Kind of like in the movie Top Gun:Maverick where he walks into the diner
 

Andy C

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1000 ft isn't the best altitude for ejecting, but seats today are what's called zero-zero capable. Meaning the pilot can eject on the ground and get enough altitude to get a swing to a swing and half in the parachute before landing.

I picture in my mind a family out back grilling burgers and hot dogs and a Marine lands in their back yard. Kind of like in the movie Top Gun:Maverick where he walks into the diner
I was working near the airfield at 29 Palms, Marine Corps Base, in 1993. An F18 was roaring down the runway, and the pilot ejected from the ground because he said he did not reach lift speed (or something like that), and was running out of runway. The pilot was in our area approx 20 minutes after ejection, still white as a ghost, visibly shaken. He told me that they were taught that surviving a ground ejection had a low survival rate. He made it out mostly unhurt.
 

ComeWhatMay

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I was working near the airfield at 29 Palms, Marine Corps Base, in 1993. An F18 was roaring down the runway, and the pilot ejected from the ground because he said he did not reach lift speed (or something like that), and was running out of runway. The pilot was in our area approx 20 minutes after ejection, still white as a ghost, visibly shaken. He told me that they were taught that surviving a ground ejection had a low survival rate. He made it out mostly unhurt.
I could see that. Being low I figure you'd have a greater chance on landing in the crash site depending on the winds and other factors. When I was in tech school one of the first things they explained to is how violent an ejection can. The pilot takes up to 14g's on their spines, it's not uncommon to shrink ¼ to ½ inch.

I read something that F35 has an auto ejected feature, I can't for the life figure out how this we a good idea
 

Andy C

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I could see that. Being low I figure you'd have a greater chance on landing in the crash site depending on the winds and other factors. When I was in tech school one of the first things they explained to is how violent an ejection can. The pilot takes up to 14g's on their spines, it's not uncommon to shrink ¼ to ½ inch.

I read something that F35 has an auto ejected feature, I can't for the life figure out how this we a good idea
From the below link:

The Marine Corps' variant of the F-35 is different from the Air Force and Navy versions in that it can take off and land like a helicopter — which allows it to operate on amphibious assault ships. But it's also different in that it's the only one of the three variants that has an auto-eject function on its ejection seat, according to seat manufacturer Martin-Baker. That has raised questions as to whether the malfunction the pilot experienced was the seat itself.

On the Air Force and Navy versions, “the pilot has to initiate the ejection,” said Dan Grazier, a former Marine Corps captain and the senior defense policy fellow at the Project on Government Oversight, but the Marine version's auto-eject is intended to better protect the pilot in case something goes wrong with the aircraft when it's in hover mode. “Was that function triggered for some reason, and punched the pilot out?" Grazier said. “There's a lot of unanswered questions.”

https://www.military.com/daily-news...e Air Force and,something goes wrong with the
 
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