Two Witness: Revelation 11 and the Rosh Hashanah New Moon - A parallel?

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Andy C

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Chris said:
The rapture can happen at anytime. It is when the Father decides to send His Son to get His bride. It is not for us to sit around doing all kinds of "biblical calculus" and other "mental gymnastics" at date-setting the end times events.
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I gave up a few years ago trying to read the “signs” as to when the rapture might happen. The majority of signs that are mentioned are not biblical signs IMO. Its a signless event, but there are definite signs for the tribulation. I believe we are in the season, but the length of the season is unknowable.
 
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usoutpost31

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Dan the Elder said:
2. Jesus is Jewish, observed the feasts (fulfilled four) Although He made a New Covenant with the Church, He didn't censor the first covenant with Israel.
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By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. - Hebrews 8:13

The Jews don't believe in a second coming, period. There's nothing anywhere that says Jesus has to return at a certain time of year, Jewish festival days included. The connections with Rosh Hashanah are only on the most superficial level.
 
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Luke 12:35-36, Jesus said, “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks, they may open to him immediately.

Exodus 12:14

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.​

IMO, I believe the Jews mourne this time because they are waiting for their Messiah. The church doesn't honor the Feast because they don't understand it. I've been grafted into the vine. As I said before, I spent my whole life keeping the pagan tradition of Easter in my church because of my own ignorance. I owe a debt that I cannot repay. The least I can do is honor those appointed times.
 
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katt

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ItIsFinished! said:
Could you explain what you mean by Christians Jews are the only completed people in the world?
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It's a term I heard from a Bible Teacher years ago. This is the jist of what I remember from all those years ago.

The Jewish people that know their old testament know their festival's and what they're for. But unless God removes the spiritual scales from their eyes, they don't see Jesus in those festivals. After they are saved, they see Jesus, they see him in every book of the old testament. They are Spiritually completed.

We, gentiles (for lack of a better way to separate the two) are grafted in and have not been raised with the festival experiences and even after salvation, most of us never will explore them and unless we study them, we don't understand our Lord the way Messianic Jews do.

Which makes many of us spiritually incomplete.
 
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ItIsFinished!

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Andy C said:
Im not sure how a Christian with the Holy Spirit inside them could be called spiritually incomplete? Some may study the bible far more than others, and know all the Old Testament holidays and rituals, but that only makes them more knowledgeable on His Word.
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Correct.
Those who have received Christ are complete in Christ where we are one in Christ by Christ and for the glory of Christ.

Colossians 2:9-10
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


Having more knowledge of The Word does not make anyone more or less complete in Christ, hence complete.
We are complete in Christ because of who He is and what He has done, not how much we know or do not know. If one knows Christ by grace through faith in Him and Him alone they are 100% complete in Him.
We are 100% justified the moment we receive Christ as Saviour. We now have access to the Father through The Son and are joint-heirs of The Kingdom.
Of course we are being sanctified from that point on until death or Rapture.

Praise Him!
 
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Andy C

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katt said:
It's a term I heard from a Bible Teacher years ago. This is the jist of what I remember from all those years ago.

The Jewish people that know their old testament know their festival's and what they're for. But unless God removes the spiritual scales from their eyes, they don't see Jesus in those festivals. After they are saved, they see Jesus, they see him in every book of the old testament. They are Spiritually completed.

We, gentiles (for lack of a better way to separate the two) are grafted in and have not been raised with the festival experiences and even after salvation, most of us never will explore them and unless we study them, we don't understand our Lord the way Masonic Jews do.

Which makes many of us spiritually incomplete.
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That bible teacher was promoting bad theology.
 
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