Two Witness: Revelation 11 and the Rosh Hashanah New Moon - A parallel?

[nevermind]

Today I was studying something related to the 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11. Afterwards, while discussing it with a friend, it suddenly occurred to me that there could be a parallel between the 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11 and the tradition of having 2 witnesses testify on Rosh Hashanah about the new moon. I've never heard or read any commentary that may link the appearance of the two Revelation 11 Witnesses that will begin their 1,260 day ministry presumably at the beginning of the Tribulation with the Jewish tradition of having a pair of witnesses testify on Rosh Hashanah to the appearance of the new moon.

From what I can find online:
How do they examine the witnesses who come to testify about the new moon? They deal with them in order, as the pair of witnesses that arrives first they examine first. They bring in the greater of the two witnesses, and they say to him: Say how you saw the moon. Was it in front of the sun or behind the sun? To its north or to its south? How high was the moon over the horizon, and in which direction did it tilt? And how wide was it? If, for example, he said that he saw the moon in front of the sun, he has not said anything of substance, as this is impossible and therefore he is either mistaken or lying. And after they finish hearing the first witness’s testimony, they would bring in the second witness and examine him in a similar manner. If their statements match, their testimony is accepted and the court sanctifies the New Moon. And the court then asks all the other pairs of witnesses certain general matters, without probing into all the details.

Could it be that God is sending His own 2 witnesses to testify to what has happened on this particular Feast?

I imagine a Feast of Trumpets rapture, the 2 Witnesses appear in Jerusalem immediately to testify about what has happened, and what will happen.

If anyone has seen this theorized anywhere else please let me know. I'd love to hear more.

Thoughts?

 

[Chris]

I don't mind you discussing about this or other Jewish feasts being the possible time of the rapture, BUT please do not start date-setting or suggesting years, etc. for the rapture.

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[Chris]

Are suggesting the rapture might occurr around Revelation 11? I'm confused.

 

[nevermind]

No.

I'm wondering if there could be a parallel between the 2 Witnesses that show up at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev 11) and the Jewish tradition of having 2 Witnesses testify as to sighting of the new moon on Rosh Hashanah.

 

[Jaybird]

The Lord Jesus was pretty clear that we would not know the day or hour of the Rapture. I have read tons of articles concerning the Jewish festivals and how they might relate to the Rapture time/date. They sure sound convincing, but if it were that simple then why did the Lord say we will not know the hour or the day? It means what it says - it's not connected to anything.

 

[Chris]

The Lord Jesus was pretty clear that we would not know the day or hour of the Rapture. I have read tons of articles concerning the Jewish festivals and how they might relate to the Rapture time/date. They sure sound convincing, but if it were that simple then why did the Lord say we will not know the hour or the day? It means what it says - it's not connected to anything.

I agree with that. I think it will happen unexpectedly, rather than looking at a Jewish feast. But I guess we will have to wait and see on that.

 

[daygo]

Load of tosh, use some discernment.

 

[yeshua'sbride]

there could be a parallel between the 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11 and the tradition of having 2 witnesses testify on Rosh Hashanah about the new moon.

I can’t see any parallel between these two things.

 

[Andy C]

I can’t see any parallel between these two things.

Agree. I dont think any particular Jewish holiday will be tied in with an event for the church.

 

[Wally]

It does seem viable that After the Rapture, the 2 Witnesses would appear and testify to what has and will happened.

Aside from that, the timing of either event is totally without schedule aside from the Rapture happening first.

 

[nevermind]

The Lord Jesus was pretty clear that we would not know the day or hour of the Rapture. I have read tons of articles concerning the Jewish festivals and how they might relate to the Rapture time/date. They sure sound convincing, but if it were that simple then why did the Lord say we will not know the hour or the day? It means what it says - it's not connected to anything.

You're probably right. Jesus never spoke in parables or idioms. And He never sticks to patterns but likes to change things up. I'm sure it's going to be completely random and not in any way connected to the 7 feasts listed in Leviticus...

Lev 23:23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’ ”

...and what Paul said in 1 Cor

1 Cor 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Just because Jesus fulfilled the first 4 feasts (appointed times) on their exact day and in that exact order doesn't mean he will continue to do so with the last 3.

I wonder if this forum affords a place to discuss the Old Testament? Is it not ok to examine Lev 23 and attempt to discern what the next feast may/may not entail? I don't understand the reluctance. Aren't folks curious? Pentecost fulfilled Feast of Weeks. What's next in the queue? What might that feast mean for us? It's important.

All I've done here is quote 2 scriptures and asked a question. I'm not saying with certainty that Feast of Trumpets = Rapture. God hasn't revealed any special knowledge to me. I'm just asking what might the next Feast in line mean for believers? If not the rapture, than perhaps it's important to future Tribulation saints?

Perhaps this is the wrong sub-forum or perhaps we're not permitted to discuss such things. ?

 

[Andy C]

You're probably right. Jesus never spoke in parables or idioms. And He never sticks to patterns but likes to change things up. I'm sure it's going to be completely random and not in any way connected to the 7 feasts listed in Leviticus...

Lev 23:23 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’ ”

...and what Paul said in 1 Cor

1 Cor 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Just because Jesus fulfilled the first 4 feasts (appointed times) on their exact day and in that exact order doesn't mean he will continue to do so with the last 3.

I wonder if this forum affords a place to discuss the Old Testament? Is it not ok to examine Lev 23 and attempt to discern what the next feast may/may not entail? I don't understand the reluctance. Aren't folks curious? Pentecost fulfilled Feast of Weeks. What's next in the queue? What might that feast mean for us? It's important.

All I've done here is quote 2 scriptures and asked a question. I'm not saying with certainty that Feast of Trumpets = Rapture. God hasn't revealed any special knowledge to me. I'm just asking what might the next Feast in line mean for believers? If not the rapture, than perhaps it's important to future Tribulation saints?

Perhaps this is the wrong sub-forum or perhaps we're not permitted to discuss such things. ?

Thumbs down for your mocking tone.

 

[Chris]

You can discuss anything in the Bible on the forums, HOWEVER, you MAY NOT dates set end times events.

What normally happens when people start discussing Jewish feasts and things like the rapture, dates start being thrown around. My post is to do a BARNEY FIFE - NIP IT IN THE BUD - approach here before it starts in this thread.

If you can leave dates out then I don't mind people discussing the feasts, etc. as it relates to Christianity, the rapture, etc.

I just DO NOT want dates, time-frames, etc. etc. thrown around all over the board. That's all. That is a huge NO-NO here per the forum rule that I posted in my previous post.

 

[Reason & Hope]

Today I was studying something related to the 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11. Afterwards, while discussing it with a friend, it suddenly occurred to me that there could be a parallel between the 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11 and the tradition of having 2 witnesses testify on Rosh Hashanah about the new moon. I've never heard or read any commentary that may link the appearance of the two Revelation 11 Witnesses that will begin their 1,260 day ministry presumably at the beginning of the Tribulation with the Jewish tradition of having a pair of witnesses testify on Rosh Hashanah to the appearance of the new moon.

From what I can find online:
How do they examine the witnesses who come to testify about the new moon? They deal with them in order, as the pair of witnesses that arrives first they examine first. They bring in the greater of the two witnesses, and they say to him: Say how you saw the moon. Was it in front of the sun or behind the sun? To its north or to its south? How high was the moon over the horizon, and in which direction did it tilt? And how wide was it? If, for example, he said that he saw the moon in front of the sun, he has not said anything of substance, as this is impossible and therefore he is either mistaken or lying. And after they finish hearing the first witness’s testimony, they would bring in the second witness and examine him in a similar manner. If their statements match, their testimony is accepted and the court sanctifies the New Moon. And the court then asks all the other pairs of witnesses certain general matters, without probing into all the details.

Could it be that God is sending His own 2 witnesses to testify to what has happened on this particular Feast?

I imagine a Feast of Trumpets rapture, the 2 Witnesses appear in Jerusalem immediately to testify about what has happened, and what will happen.

If anyone has seen this theorized anywhere else please let me know. I'd love to hear more.

Thoughts?

I think what you're seeing is simply the Biblical principle of having two witnesses. I found 8 references in a simple search of "two witnesses" in Deuteronomy, Matthew, 2 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, Hebrews and Revelation.

Just as two witnesses are necessary in a court proceeding, and two witnesses are necessary to observe the moon for the festival, so two witnesses are there in Jerusalem during the Tribulation. Nothing to do with the date and these aren't the same witnesses; it's simply the principle of having 2 or 3 witnesses to something important.

 

[Tall Timbers]

All I've done here is quote 2 scriptures and asked a question. I'm not saying with certainty that Feast of Trumpets = Rapture. God hasn't revealed any special knowledge to me. I'm just asking what might the next Feast in line mean for believers? If not the rapture, than perhaps it's important to future Tribulation saints?

Perhaps this is the wrong sub-forum or perhaps we're not permitted to discuss such things. ?

I'm personally intrigued by the possibility that you bring up.

With regards to what's allowed and what isn't, everyone should read the rules for themselves. https://raptureforums.com/forums/threads/board-rules-and-guidelines-for-posting.188752/

 

[Dragontiger777]

Here my question about the Two Witness will an appear at Israel, while we gone with Jesus???

Or

We will see the Two Witness before Jesus get us home?

 

[penbrat]

Here my question about the Two Witness will an appear at Israel, while we gone with Jesus???

Or

We will see the Two Witness before Jesus get us home?

I would think we would be gone....but obviously only God knows

 

[Wally]

In my earlier post, I propose after,

As they will be witnesses as to why the Saints are gone, especially with a world government creating all kinds of lies and deceptions about the Rapture.

These two witnesses will also have divine Spiritual power to affirm their witness. Then they will have the special blessing to lay 3 days dead in the streets and resurrect in an incredible fashion for the Lord Himself will call from heaven, invoking life like He did with Lazarus, and they will immediately go to Him in view of all the world.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Here my question about the Two Witness will an appear at Israel, while we gone with Jesus???

Or

We will see the Two Witness before Jesus get us home?

We'll be gone when they start their ministry. Arnold Fruchtenbaum indicates that their ministry will be the entire first half of the 7 year Tribulation. We'll be gone before the first day of Tribulation so it's unlikely that we would be familiar with the Two Witnesses, even if they're already in Israel.

 

[nevermind]

Thumbs down for your mocking tone.

Agreed. Mea culpa.