Trending Towards the Tribulation: 7 Indicators To Watch

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Whether the Rapture is in 5 minutes, 5 years or 50 we need to be about the Master's business, and occupy till He comes. Luke 19:10-13

That means fulfilling the Great Commission that Jesus left us with in Matthew 28: 18-20 and Acts 1:6-11 as He ascended.

But what does that MEAN in relation to us, at our point in history, when the Rapture seems so close?

It means taking care of the business that God has entrusted to us. That is looking to retirement- preparing for it so that we are not a drain on others when the time comes to retire, it means making sure our children have the means to make a good living and work hard to support their families. It means getting enough rest, eating properly, getting exercise so our bodies aren't worn out too soon.

Reading the Word of God faithfully so He can teach us, and we can grow up in spiritual maturity. It means getting out of debt so that we can give freely to missions, or working hard to be able to take time off to do missions work. It might mean speaking to a friend, family member or stranger at the supermarket about salvation. It might mean working hard at the job you have to be a good witness of Christ in you to those around you.

In these ways we fulfill the Great Commission, faithfully serving God in the fields that He planted us in. We do that to be commended by our Lord, hearing the words "well done thou good and faithful servant" and we know that someday whether He calls us home in death, or up in the Rapture, there will be a reward to be found doing the will of our Lord and Master.

There are always signs of His return, and they have been getting louder, more frequent, and more severe, just like labour pains. We don't know when, just that we are in that season of His return. To be found doing what He asked, is the best way to be watching and looking up.

Luke 19:10-13
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.


Matthew 28:18-20

18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20 Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Acts 1: 6-11
6 So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”
7 He replied, “The Father alone has the authority to set those dates and times, and they are not for you to know. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
9 After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud
while they were watching, and they could no longer see him. 10 As they strained to see him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!”

In order to do the things Jesus asks of us, we need to take care of our resources entrusted to us, whether health, finances or raising of families as well as working on that great commission.

Watching for His return doesn't mean stressing about the details, being afraid to take our eyes off prophecy related topics.

It means doing the things that God asks of us, not just knowing and understanding the scriptures especially those relating to His return for us.

Paul addressed a big fear that was tearing up the church in the Thessalonian church after some fear monger launched a fake letter from Pail alleging that they had missed the Rapture. The same comfort that Paul gives at the end of that chapter applies to us who anxiously await His Return.

It's odd to notice how the enemy takes a promise by God (the Rapture) and somehow turns it into an anxiety for the Christian. You are NOT ALONE in this battle.

2 Thessalonians 2​

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way,.......

so we see that Paul was dealing with fears relating to the Rapture. Down in verse 15 Paul gives us a comforting message.

15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.


I'm drawn to the way Paul mentions standing firm and holding fast to the teachings he had given them, in other words, spending time in the Word so that they might be encouraged in the Lord, and strengthened for both good deeds and words.

To me that speaks of the Great Commission again. Being faithful in the small things that God has given us to do, not worrying about being super Christians, just trusting that when the fulness of time has come -- He will return for us as He promised, in the meanwhile, occupy till He comes.

I regularly take breaks from the news. When I start to feel anxious, I know that my balance of reading the Bible to watching the news is off.

There have been times when even this forum gets too much focused on politics or other worries of the day. I take time off, go for walks, get outside, see the beauty of His creation and how He cares for the smallest of His creation. I breathe fresh air, meditate on His word, talk to Him about my anxieties.

Just lately I've been on a cruise in Alaska and looking at a glacier fills me with praise to God. At the same time as it seems to scare the dickens out of the climate warming people.

In the last 2 years there has been way too much attention and speculation even in Christian circles of how some things will come to pass. Arguments over what might happen rather than looking to the Lord to keep us thru the various troubles that lead up to the Rapture.

It's fun to discuss things--but when it stops being fun, when it starts being filled with anxiety, it's time to step away, refocus on the Lord, on His character, His promises and His ability to care for each of us.

Don't feel bad about taking time off to rest, refocus, spend time in the Word, walk and talk with the Lord. Adam walked in the garden in the evening with the Lord before the fall. Now that we are restored to fellowship with God thru Christ, it's an essential part of staying sane and healthy in a fallen world.

Amen!! We don't want to miss the work and also the blessings to us and others that God has for us.
 

glc11

Well-Known Member
Whether the Rapture is in 5 minutes, 5 years or 50 we need to be about the Master's business, and occupy till He comes. Luke 19:10-13

That means fulfilling the Great Commission that Jesus left us with in Matthew 28: 18-20 and Acts 1:6-11 as He ascended.

But what does that MEAN in relation to us, at our point in history, when the Rapture seems so close?

It means taking care of the business that God has entrusted to us. That is looking to retirement- preparing for it so that we are not a drain on others when the time comes to retire, it means making sure our children have the means to make a good living and work hard to support their families. It means getting enough rest, eating properly, getting exercise so our bodies aren't worn out too soon.

Reading the Word of God faithfully so He can teach us, and we can grow up in spiritual maturity. It means getting out of debt so that we can give freely to missions, or working hard to be able to take time off to do missions work. It might mean speaking to a friend, family member or stranger at the supermarket about salvation. It might mean working hard at the job you have to be a good witness of Christ in you to those around you.

In these ways we fulfill the Great Commission, faithfully serving God in the fields that He planted us in. We do that to be commended by our Lord, hearing the words "well done thou good and faithful servant" and we know that someday whether He calls us home in death, or up in the Rapture, there will be a reward to be found doing the will of our Lord and Master.

There are always signs of His return, and they have been getting louder, more frequent, and more severe, just like labour pains. We don't know when, just that we are in that season of His return. To be found doing what He asked, is the best way to be watching and looking up.

Luke 19:10-13
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.


Matthew 28:18-20

18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20 Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Acts 1: 6-11
6 So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”
7 He replied, “The Father alone has the authority to set those dates and times, and they are not for you to know. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
9 After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud
while they were watching, and they could no longer see him. 10 As they strained to see him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!”

In order to do the things Jesus asks of us, we need to take care of our resources entrusted to us, whether health, finances or raising of families as well as working on that great commission.

Watching for His return doesn't mean stressing about the details, being afraid to take our eyes off prophecy related topics.

It means doing the things that God asks of us, not just knowing and understanding the scriptures especially those relating to His return for us.

Paul addressed a big fear that was tearing up the church in the Thessalonian church after some fear monger launched a fake letter from Pail alleging that they had missed the Rapture. The same comfort that Paul gives at the end of that chapter applies to us who anxiously await His Return.

It's odd to notice how the enemy takes a promise by God (the Rapture) and somehow turns it into an anxiety for the Christian. You are NOT ALONE in this battle.

2 Thessalonians 2​

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way,.......

so we see that Paul was dealing with fears relating to the Rapture. Down in verse 15 Paul gives us a comforting message.

15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.


I'm drawn to the way Paul mentions standing firm and holding fast to the teachings he had given them, in other words, spending time in the Word so that they might be encouraged in the Lord, and strengthened for both good deeds and words.

To me that speaks of the Great Commission again. Being faithful in the small things that God has given us to do, not worrying about being super Christians, just trusting that when the fulness of time has come -- He will return for us as He promised, in the meanwhile, occupy till He comes.

I regularly take breaks from the news. When I start to feel anxious, I know that my balance of reading the Bible to watching the news is off.

There have been times when even this forum gets too much focused on politics or other worries of the day. I take time off, go for walks, get outside, see the beauty of His creation and how He cares for the smallest of His creation. I breathe fresh air, meditate on His word, talk to Him about my anxieties.

Just lately I've been on a cruise in Alaska and looking at a glacier fills me with praise to God. At the same time as it seems to scare the dickens out of the climate warming people.

In the last 2 years there has been way too much attention and speculation even in Christian circles of how some things will come to pass. Arguments over what might happen rather than looking to the Lord to keep us thru the various troubles that lead up to the Rapture.

It's fun to discuss things--but when it stops being fun, when it starts being filled with anxiety, it's time to step away, refocus on the Lord, on His character, His promises and His ability to care for each of us.

Don't feel bad about taking time off to rest, refocus, spend time in the Word, walk and talk with the Lord. Adam walked in the garden in the evening with the Lord before the fall. Now that we are restored to fellowship with God thru Christ, it's an essential part of staying sane and healthy in a fallen world.
So amazing you are! :bighug
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
Staff member
except we ARE seeing the OWG form. It hasn't taken power yet, but I think we are safe to say we have been seeing signs of it forming for years.

Pretty much everything is in place already for the OWG to be. The only thing missing that I'm aware of is countries surrendering to the authority of a OWG. That'll probably happen a bit at a time just like the rest of it has happened. I figure European countries finally submitting fully to the EU govmint as sovereign over them might be the first and the beginning of that stage. While the EU isn't the OWG, I see Europe as the model for the other 9 kingdoms that'll all eventually become part of the future nightmare.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Pretty much everything is in place already for the OWG to be. The only thing missing that I'm aware of is countries surrendering to the authority of a OWG. That'll probably happen a bit at a time just like the rest of it has happened. I figure European countries finally submitting fully to the EU govmint as sovereign over them might be the first and the beginning of that stage. While the EU isn't the OWG, I see Europe as the model for the other 9 kingdoms that'll all eventually become part of the future nightmare.
I completely agree.

I think the Rapture will be like knocking over the first domino in a chain. A lot of things that are set up for that moment will suddenly start to move -- everything from the Antichrist showing up on the world stage to take his place as a future leader (I'm of the opinion there will be a very slight gap between the Rapture and the signing of the Covenant that kicks off the Tribulation) to the OWG in it's final form.

There is a bit in Daniel where he mentions the rise of the AC and the angel gives the interpretation to Daniel in the last half to make it doubly clear. Reading carefully, there is a sequence of events that has to happen. The OWG comes first, before the rise of the AC. Only after the 10 kings are in place can the AC appear, rise, and take 3 out becoming the 8th in their place. We know from Daniel 9 that this coming AC will be of the people who destroyed the Temple in the year 70 AD. Making him of Roman or possibly Syrian or Macedonian heritage since that was where the legions came from.

The 10 kings have to be in place before the AC can rise. (I have no answer whether the OWG rises pre Rapture or during a gap after the Rapture and before the Tribulation). Due to the doctrine of Immanence (I bet I spelled it wrong again) meaning that Jesus comes at any time, no prophecy must be fulfilled, I tend to think the OWG phase happens AFTER the Rapture but before the Tribulation. Otherwise if we see the 10 kings rise and a OWG, then we know the Rapture is next. Having the OWG appear is a little bit out of synch with the doctrine of Immanence.

Daniel and the angel are very clear that this 4rth kingdom rises from what was to be the ancient Roman Empire, so it stands to reason that somehow, in some way those 10 come from the old Roman Empire boundaries which at it's height included much of Britain (excluding Scotland), North Africa, Europe (excluding the Scandi and Baltic areas) and the Middle East. shown here https://www.biblestudy.org/maps/roman-empire.html

While I like the idea of the 10 economic zones I think a case could be made for how the Roman Catholic church conquered and subdued (and broke in pieces) much of the globe during the years of exploration and discovery. Byzantium, the eastern half of the old Roman Empire became Islamic and has conquered, dominated and broken in bits a lot of the rest of the world. Just an idea.

Those 10 kings need to be in place before the rise of the AC.

Afterwards when the AC removes 3 and rules in their place, he dominates the entire governmental system and we have the AC coming to the fore front.

The Bible is very clear that we must be out of here before he can show up-- so it's quite possible we won't see the reorganization of power into the OWG that could very quickly happen after the Rapture, possibly as a result OF the chaos after the Rapture.

Daniel 7 NKJV
1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head while on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream, telling the main facts.

2 Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 “And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’

6 “After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

9 “I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.

11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.


13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel’s Visions Interpreted​

15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’


19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.


21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.


23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;

He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”
 

Andy C

Well-Known Member
Due to the doctrine of Immanence (I bet I spelled it wrong again) meaning that Jesus comes at any time, no prophecy must be fulfilled, I tend to think the OWG phase happens AFTER the Rapture but before the Tribulation. Otherwise if we see the 10 kings rise and a OWG, then we know the Rapture is next. Having the OWG appear is a little bit out of synch with the doctrine of Immanence.
I knew there was a reason I liked you sister…… :biggrin

As usual, another excellent post from you.
 

Mocha Latte

Well-Known Member
I completely agree.

I think the Rapture will be like knocking over the first domino in a chain. A lot of things that are set up for that moment will suddenly start to move -- everything from the Antichrist showing up on the world stage to take his place as a future leader (I'm of the opinion there will be a very slight gap between the Rapture and the signing of the Covenant that kicks off the Tribulation) to the OWG in it's final form.

There is a bit in Daniel where he mentions the rise of the AC and the angel gives the interpretation to Daniel in the last half to make it doubly clear. Reading carefully, there is a sequence of events that has to happen. The OWG comes first, before the rise of the AC. Only after the 10 kings are in place can the AC appear, rise, and take 3 out becoming the 8th in their place. We know from Daniel 9 that this coming AC will be of the people who destroyed the Temple in the year 70 AD. Making him of Roman or possibly Syrian or Macedonian heritage since that was where the legions came from.

The 10 kings have to be in place before the AC can rise. (I have no answer whether the OWG rises pre Rapture or during a gap after the Rapture and before the Tribulation). Due to the doctrine of Immanence (I bet I spelled it wrong again) meaning that Jesus comes at any time, no prophecy must be fulfilled, I tend to think the OWG phase happens AFTER the Rapture but before the Tribulation. Otherwise if we see the 10 kings rise and a OWG, then we know the Rapture is next. Having the OWG appear is a little bit out of synch with the doctrine of Immanence.

Daniel and the angel are very clear that this 4rth kingdom rises from what was to be the ancient Roman Empire, so it stands to reason that somehow, in some way those 10 come from the old Roman Empire boundaries which at it's height included much of Britain (excluding Scotland), North Africa, Europe (excluding the Scandi and Baltic areas) and the Middle East. shown here https://www.biblestudy.org/maps/roman-empire.html

While I like the idea of the 10 economic zones I think a case could be made for how the Roman Catholic church conquered and subdued (and broke in pieces) much of the globe during the years of exploration and discovery. Byzantium, the eastern half of the old Roman Empire became Islamic and has conquered, dominated and broken in bits a lot of the rest of the world. Just an idea.

Those 10 kings need to be in place before the rise of the AC.

Afterwards when the AC removes 3 and rules in their place, he dominates the entire governmental system and we have the AC coming to the fore front.

The Bible is very clear that we must be out of here before he can show up-- so it's quite possible we won't see the reorganization of power into the OWG that could very quickly happen after the Rapture, possibly as a result OF the chaos after the Rapture.

Daniel 7 NKJV
1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head while on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream, telling the main facts.

2 Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 “And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’

6 “After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

9 “I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.

11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.


13 “I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel’s Visions Interpreted​

15 “I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’


19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.


21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.


23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;

He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”
I really like reading your analyses on various topics. A lot of good stuff to think about and such good points!
 

Jaybird

Well-Known Member
Excellent run down Athenasius of what might happen. I totally agree that in order for the OWG to actually take power that some catastrophe must place that will affect the entire world and the OWG will be right there to calm everyone's fears. My hope is that this will be the Rapture of the Church that will cause severe economic and societal chaos. I also believe in the "gap theory." The "dominoes falling" will need some amount of time to put all the final pieces of global control together. It doesn't happen overnight.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 out of the 3 kings subdued by the A/C will be Russia and China. They are not playing very well with the globalists.
 

soundingthealarm

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I've always held to the point that Terry James highlights so often, that Jesus in describing the coming Day of the Lord as being "as it was in the Days of Noah, so shall it be" "and they knew not and the flood came and took them all away." That is was pretty much business as usual on planet earth other than the decadent descent that was moving Almighty God to invoke the outpouring of His Wrath.

In order for the OWG to form, there will need to be a global economic crash of the current monetary systems, IE bank runs and panic ....remember the toilet paper runs? (not sure that was a pun but close lolol) but I believe Just as Israel, Jerusalem, the Temple Mount are very significant keeping time wise, so is the economic crash that is coming in that it will be like a global nuclear bomb that goes off and cause mass panic that a seeming Messianic person will step and solve causing the whole world to begin to worship the man and cause Israel to even be tempted to believe its THE Messiah.

I think we are seeing the very formation of that grand stage being put into place at warp speed. I hope for the best for prep for the worst BUT in light of Jesus saying pretty much business as usual before the beginning of the time known as The Day of the Lord which is post rapture, I think we can look up and know that soon and very soon we are going to see Our King, but in the mean time we have a job to do, working while it is day, for their is coming an hour where no man can work!!
 

Jaybird

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In my opinion the third king might be the Middle East Islamic countries, but I wouldn't be dogmatic about this. I'm not really sure if they are working with the globalists or are opposed to them. I also agree with what Terry James and many others conclude about the days of Noah. Things will be somewhat normal and then "sudden destruction" or in this case the unraveling of events leading to the tribulation. Although with all this talk of a worldwide famine at the end of 2022 into 2023 this sure sounds like the third horseman of the apocalypse (famine), but famine typically follows war (the second horseman). If what Terry James says is true about things being normal then I wouldn't say that a famine is "normal." Perhaps the Rapture is even closer than we think?
 

Jaybird

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I think China is likely to be one of the three, but not Russia. After Eze 38-39 Russia will be a very weak nation-state and probably in need of much assistance

You might be right about that. It's all conjecture anyway. I don't plan to be here to watch the tribulation show. On another note.

What do we make of the global created famine coming late 2022? We know that the Scripture says that things will be like "in the days of Noah" and this implies that things will be normal prior to the rapture. Terry James and many others say this based on this passage: Luke 17:27 (People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I wouldn't say that a famine is "normal" as people will have trouble eating. Is the rapture right around the corner?
 

Tall Timbers

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You might be right about that. It's all conjecture anyway. I don't plan to be here to watch the tribulation show. On another note.

What do we make of the global created famine coming late 2022? We know that the Scripture says that things will be like "in the days of Noah" and this implies that things will be normal prior to the rapture. Terry James and many others say this based on this passage: Luke 17:27 (People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I wouldn't say that a famine is "normal" as people will have trouble eating. Is the rapture right around the corner?

When the time comes, things will be as Scripture describes. We don't know when we'll be called home, but we can keep watching and waiting expectantly.
 

lightofmylife

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You might be right about that. It's all conjecture anyway. I don't plan to be here to watch the tribulation show. On another note.

What do we make of the global created famine coming late 2022? We know that the Scripture says that things will be like "in the days of Noah" and this implies that things will be normal prior to the rapture. Terry James and many others say this based on this passage: Luke 17:27 (People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

I wouldn't say that a famine is "normal" as people will have trouble eating. Is the rapture right around the corner?
We know that famine is the Third Seal: Revelation 6:5. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-6/#5
 

Tall Timbers

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Chris

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Not fully date setting. Lots of disclaimers. And usually Chris posts Pete’s articles (maybe he already did with this one)… so I only linked to that.

Please DO NOT post or link Pete's articles on the forums as I review them first for suitability on the forums.

Thank you.
 
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