Today (March 25, 2021) Pope Francis Has Committed Utter Blasphemy

[seated with Christ]

There's a huge difference between respecting her and worshipping her.

Meriam (Mary’s Hebrew name) would hate this and she would repudiate this hellish doctrine.

 

[Shonsu]

Just being called "pope" is blasphemy. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven." Matthew 23:9

 

[Christophilus]

Today, (March 25, 2021) Pope Francis "tweeted": "Mary is not only the bridge joining us to God; she is more. She is the road God traveled to reach us and the road we must travel in order to reach him."

Does anyone at the Vatican read the Bible anymore? “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” (1 Timothy 2:5).

Amen. I was raised a Catholic, but before I was saved I left the church for, among other reasons, Marionism (also for papal infallibility, veneration of saints, mediation of priests). I read the Bible cover to cover, and these doctrines were out of place in Christian faith. I know there are Catholics who are true believers and are a part of the Bride, but that is in spite of the false doctrine.

 

[Annie]

worse than the creepy red shoes they wear?

and don't forget the fish god hat (Dagon)

 

[Mama Bug]

Since I've never been inside a Catholic Church, what happens at a Mass? How is a Catholic service (or Mormon or JW or anything else really) different from a standard Protestant service. Is there a preacher, some message? Singing? What goes on there? And why is it called a Mass? Just curious.

From what I remember, it was mostly rituals. Singing of course. The priest would say something, the congregation would answer back. There was communion, everyone drank from the same cup. (Germs anyone?) I don't remember any kind of preaching, just rituals. I used to go to Mass with my mom, then church with my dad. He was Assembly of God. The two churches were and are as different as night and day. What I remembered about Jesus and the Bible as an adult when I came to the Lord I learned from my dad. Even though I got saved two years after his death, I credit him with leading me to the Lord.

My grandmother was given a Catholic funeral. It was pretty strange to me. The priest threw holy water all over the place. I'm not sure why it's called Mass.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

 

[crossnote]

This is what happens when Sola Scriptura is poo poo'd.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

From what I remember, it was mostly rituals. Singing of course. The priest would say something, the congregation would answer back. There was communion, everyone drank from the same cup. (Germs anyone?) I don't remember any kind of preaching, just rituals. I used to go to Mass with my mom, then church with my dad. He was Assembly of God. The two churches were and are as different as night and day. What I remembered about Jesus and the Bible as an adult when I came to the Lord I learned from my dad. Even though I got saved two years after his death, I credit him with leading me to the Lord.

My grandmother was given a Catholic funeral. It was pretty strange to me. The priest threw holy water all over the place. I'm not sure why it's called Mass.

EDITED TO ADD quoted post from RonJonSilver

Since I've never been inside a Catholic Church, what happens at a Mass? How is a Catholic service (or Mormon or JW or anything else really) different from a standard Protestant service. Is there a preacher, some message? Singing? What goes on there? And why is it called a Mass? Just curious.

The word mass comes from the Latin word for "dismissed" ("sent"). Dismissal of the church to go into the world with The Gospel was at the end of the traditional service. Catholic services used to be in Latin instead of the common language of the people. Orthodox Mass was in the language of the people.

Not all Catholic churches use common cup anymore, and some give a choice. Common cup during Holy Communion is practiced by some Protestant churches, although it's far less prevalent in modern times because of germs and people's discomfort with the practice. If common cup is offered in Protestant church, there's a choice of individual cup. Since wuhan virus, many Protestant congregations aren't even serving Holy Communion using the little individual washable cups at the rail; rather using individual prepacked bread and wine/grape juice kits in the pews (or remotely if no in-person service)

I have no idea about the holy water during the funeral.


What is a "standard Protestant service?"

Anymore, there's liturgical and non-liturgical services. Modern and traditional music. Hymnals and no hymnals. Dancing or no dancing. Raising and waving of hands or no raising and waving of hands. Some churches have more congregational singing participation than others. Some are pretty much praise only. Some chant and some don't. Some are reading of the Bible only plus a sermon. Some are more *entertaining* than others. Some clergy wear formal robes/vestments and others don't. Etc., etc., etc.

A liturgical service is formal and has a specific order of what is done when. Traditional Protestant liturgical services are similar to traditional Catholic and Orthodox liturgical services, but without prayers to the saints, adoration of icons/images, Hail Marys, worship of the saints, Mary, and the Pope, etc., etc., etc. Not all Protestant congregations still have liturgical services, although some provide a choice of traditional liturgical and modern/informal services, and some only have modern/informal services. Traditional liturgical services are based on serving Holy Communion using bread and wine following Christ's command to "do this in remembrance of me" and using His words regarding the bread as His body and the wine as His blood as the words of institution. The rest of the liturgy is based on the Jewish Passover Siddur, Seder, Jewish synagogue/Temple services, including singing hymns and Psalms, chanting, playing instruments, and reading Scripture. Most liturgies are very similar, as the "finalized form" occurred early in Church history, although changes have been made by various denominations and congregations (usually removing things).

The traditional Lutheran service at the church I attended starting Confirmation age (Jr. High) on consisted of:

Prelude (organ before service)
Processional Hymn (sung by congregation and choir as Pastor(s) and choir process into the sanctuary)
Invocation (in the name of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Ghost; congregation responds "Amen")
Confession and absolution/announcement of grace
Introit
Gloria Patria
Kyrie
Gloria in Excelsis
Salutation
Collect of the Day
Old Testament lesson
Sung Psalm or hymn version of a Psalm
Epistle lesson
Gradual
Alleluia/Hallelujah
Gospel lesson (passage announced, congregation response of Glory be to Thee O God, passage read, congregation response of Praise to Thee O Christ)
Creed (Apostles' or Nicene)
Hymn
Sermon
Choir Offertory
Offering and Offertory
Hymn
Prayer of the Church
Preface (to Holy Communion)
Sanctus
Prayer of Thanksgiving
Words of Institution
Lord's Prayer
Angnus Dei
The Communion (hymns sung by congregation while others are Communing at the rail)
Nunc Dimitis
Post-Communion Prayer
Benediction
Triple Amen
Postlude (organ after service; becomes the Prelude when services are back-to-back)

*If no Holy Communion, after the Prayer of the Church, the service ended with the Lord's Prayer, Benediction, and Triple Amen.
** Sometimes there was one more or one less hymn
*** Notice no Peace of The Lord shaking hands (germs

Services were 45 minutes, so there was no dragging feet through the music. The organist kept things moving along. 4 services on the hour each Sunday, and the sanctuary could hold 2000, so there were both ushers and parking lot/traffic guys to make sure everyone got out and in. Children's Sunday School during the service. People could stay for fellowship or various Bible studies. It was the other church I attended as a younger child that had the awesome children's church . . .

Lots of singing in church. Except for confession, prayers, and the creed, the congregation sang everything, and people sang in parts (not just the choir). Even with the doors closed, the service could be heard outside a good distance Corporate confession and prayer, as well as silent individual confession and prayer

Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS) information about parts of the liturgy (somewhat modernized/trimmed from years ago)
https://www.lcms.org/worship/liturgy-parts

Brief explanations of the various parts of the liturgy
http://atlanta.clclutheran.org/bibleclass/liturgystudy.html

Notes on the Liturgy
https://steadfastlutherans.org/notes-on-the-liturgy/

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I have never known any Catholics personally, but how is it that they, as a supposed denomination of Christianity (in fact the “original one”) lost the plot so completely on the whole “Mary issue?

Was raised Catholic and have no idea about why.

It would take an entire semester of Church history (both Western and Eastern), theology, and ecumenical council classes to adequately answer this one question

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

worse than the creepy red shoes they wear?

Yes.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

It was from catholiccourier.com - and, someone has posted it here now.

I'm not in agreement at all with what was said there. I know that catholics revere Mary way too much and it is against what scripture teaches.
What gets me now-a-days is that you can read blurbs from a given source and the words are twisted to the point that you get two completely distorted
versions of what was said. Then, you have to determine which one is true - or if neither are true. We can no longer trust what anyone says - or supposedly
says. Because of that, I am resting fully on what God says in His Word ....... and, that alone. (Which has always been the best thing to do, anyway.)

This is why I am very leery of online Bibles. Far, far too easy for someone to get in there and mess around
Anymore, one must also be careful of Bibles printed in China - the Chinese Communist Party has stated it is going to change/changing Bibles

As the evil in this world progresses, having a trustworthy hard copy of the Bible will be more and more important

Get your unadulterated Bibles (and hymnals, etc.) now, while you still can

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I come from a catholic family, and am in fact a ‘confirmed’ one at 8 years old. How can an 8yr old make such a decision?!

I came to saving faith at the age of 3. There are other members here, who also came to saving faith at very young ages.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Since I've never been inside a Catholic Church, what happens at a Mass? How is a Catholic service (or Mormon or JW or anything else really) different from a standard Protestant service. Is there a preacher, some message? Singing? What goes on there? And why is it called a Mass? Just curious.

No idea about non Judeo-Christian religions because I refuse to go inside their satanic houses of worship (except when I was required to do so in the performance of LE duties, but don't have to worry about that anymore).

Catholic liturgical services much like Orthodox and Protestant liturgical services. More detail in my other post.

 

[Jonathan]

I'm assuming she is blissfully unaware of what is happening on earth just like every other saint/believer in heaven. God is merciful and I really hope and trust she has been protected from seeing her name so awfully besmirched.

Well said. And, by the way, my opinion has nothing to do with gender. If, as a man, I sired the savior of mankind, and GOD INCARNATE, I would honestly be incapable of saying much of anything (how the heck did Mary cope with that). '

But I would have tremendous love for my son (as most parents do), but then, to factor in the graft of exactly what happened, God making use of my body to produce the Messiah, I would consider it a huge insult to worship me. I am not God. If between Jesus and me, you are concentrating on me, then you need new glasses.

Final note: Mary deserves respect and appreciation in spades. God chose her.

And.. I'm done.

 

[Jonathan]

I came to saving faith at the age of 3. There are other members here, who also came to saving faith at very young ages.

GI.. wow. As is only natural I've talked with a number of people who tell me they have no memories before they we six or seven or so. Not everyone, of course, but a lot. I distinctly remember a number of memories for when i was three. My biological dad/father died when I turned four, so I am certain my memories were not figments of my imagination because they usually involved him and my mother generally backed up my memories. I say "generally" simply because a lot of my memories with my dad did not include her.

Anyways, being able to remember your living experience at 3 years old is very uncommon. Not sure that those memories and the fact you can recollect them is worth much, but is nice to know that I am not the only one.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

GI.. wow. As is only natural I've talked with a number of people who tell me they have no memories before they we six or seven or so. Not everyone, of course, but a lot. I distinctly remember a number of memories for when i was three. My biological dad/father died when I turned four, so I am certain my memories were not figments of my imagination because they usually involved him and my mother generally backed up my memories. I say "generally" simply because a lot of my memories with my dad did not include her.

Anyways, being able to remember your living experience at 3 years old is very uncommon. Not sure that those memories and the fact you can recollect them is worth much, but is nice to know that I am not the only one.

The memory of getting saved in Molly's Sunday School class is as clear as if it had happened last week and is very precious to me
So to me at least, this early memory is worth much

Other early memories of things like Sputnik, Soyuz, Mercury, Cuban Missile Crisis, Cold War, Kennedy assassination, etc., not so important, but they and other experiences/memories helped shape who I am

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Funny *coincidence,* reference this thread

BibleGateway Verse of the day

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV

 

[JoyJoyJoy]

I have been to Catholic funerals. Plenty of incense, singing of Ava Maria, communion, some scripture, folks crossing themselves, praying Our Father...

I didn't care for the Ava Maria part. At the Catholic wake, they say a whole rosary of that Hail Mary. We do not sit in the room while that is going on.

 

[Xenosjeff]

I'm an X.

A Catholic who knows their catechism will not disagree with what the Bible says about Jesus being the only way. It just means something different when they are through mentally digesting that fact. They will have to overlay the extra-biblical formula over it. When they add it all up they're not even aware that they have taken their faith from Jesus alone and placed it in a false formula.
Human minds are not always aware of the tricks played by this type of shell game. All their lives they're told that an apple is an orange because it just is. They've lost the ability to discern truth. The average catholic will be shocked to find that They've been bowing down to an orange.

Jeff

 

[Wings Like Eagles]

This might be helpful:

https://catholiccourier.com/articles/mary-comforts-all-those-who-die-alone-pope-says-at-audience

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Mary, the mother of God, has been present during the COVID-19 pandemic, and she was by the side of all those who died alone, Pope Francis said.

“If someone is alone and abandoned, she is the mother and she is there nearby just as she was next to her son when everyone else abandoned him,” the pope said March 24 during his weekly general audience.

“Mary was and is present in these days of the pandemic, near the people who, unfortunately, concluded their earthly journey in isolation, without the comfort of or the closeness of their loved ones,” he said.


“Mary is always there, near us, with her maternal tenderness,” the pope said.

During the audience, which was livestreamed from the library of the Apostolic Palace, Pope Francis continued his series of talks about prayer by looking at prayer in communion with Mary and her role in people’s lives.

As he has underlined often, the pope reiterated that Mary is not a “co-redemptrix.” For decades, some Catholics have been petitioning the popes to recognize Mary as co-redemptrix to highlight the essential role she played in redemption.

In his audience talk, Pope Francis said, Christ is the one and only redeemer, and “there is no other name by which we can be saved.”

Christ is also the supreme mediator, he added, the “bridge that we cross to turn to the father.”

Jesus entrusted Mary to humanity as a mother, “not as a goddess, not as co-redemptrix,” he said, adding that love motivated some people to call her “co-redemptrix,” but love often leads people to “exaggerate.”

Mary “occupies a privileged place in the lives of Christians, and therefore, in their prayer as well, because she is the mother of Jesus,” he said.

However, she is “always in relation to her son and in connection with him,” he said. Jesus is the center, and “Mary is completely directed toward him.”

“This is the role Mary fulfilled throughout her entire earthly life and which she retains forever: to be the humble handmaid of the Lord, nothing more,” he said.

The feast of the Annunciation March 25 reminds people that Mary said, “yes,” and promptly welcomed the angel’s invitation.

Mary “also responds to our supplications, she hears our voices,” the pope said.

Like every good mother, “Mary defends us from danger, she is concerned about us even when we are concentrated on our own things and lose a sense of the way, and when we put not only our health in danger, but also our salvation,” he said.

“Mary is there, praying for us, praying for those who do not pray, praying with us. And why? Because she is our mother,” he said


None of this stuff (or extremely little of this, like Mary being present at Jesus crucifixion) is present in the bible whatsoever, neither are these instructions.

We are instructed to pray to the Father, directly and in Jesus name, period. We are told it's the Lord that protects and heals us, not Mary, we are told that it is the Holy Spirit that guides, helps, comforts, reminds us about (not Mary) Jesus Christ and His instructions.

We do not read these extra biblical items such as Mary responding to our supplications. Although he does say that Jesus is the way to salvation it seems that he puts Mary in the position of Holy Spirit and in effect gives her a prestige that sure seems like she's more than a believer in Christ that needed her sins forgiven as well.

The bible tells us that the Sarah representing heavenly (not earthly, nor Rome) Jerusalem of where a Christian's citizenship lay, is our mother, not Mary.

But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

Gal 4:26

Oh, the joys of those who are kind to the poor!
The Lord rescues them when they are in trouble.
The Lord protects them
and keeps them alive.
He gives them prosperity in the land
and rescues them from their enemies.
The Lord nurses them when they are sick
and restores them to health.
Psalm 41:1-3


The Lord protects the foreigners among us.
He cares for the orphans and widows,
but he frustrates the plans of the wicked.
Psalm 146:9

You who love the Lord, hate evil!
He protects the lives of his godly people
and rescues them from the power of the wicked.
Light shines on the godly,
and joy on those whose hearts are right.
Psalm 97:10-11

But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.
Matt 6:6

You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father. Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 14:13-14

For healing we are told to:

Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord. Such a prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make you well. And if you have committed any sins, you will be forgiven. James 5:14-15

Most of the New Testament is completely about Jesus Christ, period. We might read about Mary as mother of Christ and then as being present with the Apostles, worshipping Jesus with them (Acts 1) but she does not play a major role or mention for hardly the rest of the New Testament.....not even in Revelation.

Right off the bat, you can see the biblical error. Mary was NOT the "mother of God". God has no "mother" He is and ALWAYS was. Mary was the mother of the mortal human body of Jesus. That body was recomposed in resurrection as will be that of ALL humans--"some to everlasting life" (in heaven) and "others to everlasting shame" in the Lake of Fire. The divinity of Jesus the Messiah, was established through the Holy Spirit.