The Restrainer

JoyJoyJoy

JoyJoyJoy

I Shall Not Be Moved
I have seen a good many posts saying the restrainer is pulling out or letting go. I understand the situation in America and the world seems to be worsening. Some places in the world have not seen peace in years.
Look at how many countries have terribly corrupt governments. People are starving. This has been the case for years.
So why now is the Holy Spirit removing Himself? Just because America is having turmoil?
Where is the scripture to back this up?
 
Matthew6:33

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
JoyJoyJoy said:
I have seen a good many posts saying the restrainer is pulling out or letting go. I understand the situation in America and the world seems to be worsening. Some places in the world have not seen peace in years.
Look at how many countries have terribly corrupt governments. People are starving. This has been the case for years.
So why now is the Holy Spirit removing Himself? Just because America is having turmoil?
Where is the scripture to back this up?
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I'd be foolish if I said I knew what God was up to. I think America has been lost for a long time even if we never really felt it. All our money, possessions, and safety have maybe lulled us Americans into a sleepy existence. A lukewarm laodicean church life that stands against nothing and falls for anything.

I think Americans are becoming more sensitive because it's starting to hit us harder where it hurts. The pocket-book and the rapid acceleration of anti-American culture and ideology.

God may finally be allowing greater judgement on the USA, perhaps it's long overdue. But I believe the USA must fall for prophecy to be fulfilled. I have never heard a good argument against this point.

How many times did Israel get judged and get enslaved and forced into captivity? It's hard to believe we would be spared this, even if we are in a different dispensation. Jesus said we would have great trials. It's the only way to refine the silver; in the fire, where it is cleansed of it's impurity.

Just my thoughts. God's will be done.
 
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So I was typing this response but had to stop to deal with a work issue and did not send until now. Matthew6:33 basically said what I was going to say, but I will post my thoughts anyway.

You are right.

Anti-semitism and opposition to the church are on the rise in America. Marxism and Communism cannot co-exist with the church. The falling away and apostasy are starting toward their peak. I believe this is happening because the loudest, most vocal opponents are starting to shout and are no longer hiding their hate for Israel and the church.

Israel is the focal point, not America. I believe America shares in the focal point only as long as it supports Israel. When America stops supporting Israel and Israel truly becomes alone in the world, I believe that will set things in motion for the restrainer letting go. What we are seeing now is the beginnings of that.. the falling apart of America as the country it was founded upon.

I do not believe that the restrainer (Holy Spirit) will diminish or will gradually let go. I believe it will simply stop at a point that God says to, and then the rapture will occur.

Trump is behind Israel, but if Biden wins in November, we will quickly see American support for Israel die. Then, America, as it was founded, will start to die. When all support for Israel is revoked, nothing will stop all other nations from trying to wipe Israel off the map.
 
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JoyJoyJoy

JoyJoyJoy

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I agree with you. I think the Restrainer is here and as strong as ever. I think when we are raptured, then the Holy Spirit will go with us.
I have just seen this opinion mentioned over and over and I dont know of any scripture that backs that up.
I think America may be feeling a sting right now and its nothing we don't deserve. The Scripture says The Lord giveth, He taketh away.
We have had many good years and now that its getting a bit harder(nothing compared to other countries), I can't attribute it to the Restrainer letting go.
I think I get cross when we as American Christians complain and bellyache that we aren't getting to Heaven on a featherbed.
And I am talking about Christians in general, not necessarily this board. I see it on Twitter and other places and I can't believe that this is a good witness to the world.
Thank you for the replies!!:):):):)
 
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@JoyJoyJoy I have always maintained the thought that God will spare us from his wrath, but he will not necessarily spare us from man's wrath. yes, it is starting to get uncomfortable for both Jews and Christians these days, and it will get worse-- we can't stop it.

We are feeling the "touch" right now. Then it will progress into a pinch, then a cut, then a puncture, and so on. The Holy Spirit is not withdrawing from us. He is, indeed, as strong as ever. What we are seeing is the wickedness and lawlessness increasing, and taking more of a foothold in our every day lives. This is especially uncomfortable for unbelievers because they do not have God to depend upon. They have no hope of a future like we do.

This should empower believers to get out there and fight even harder to bring more to salvation. Especially those on the fence who do not understand what is going on. They are losing hope and starting to join the 'wrong crowd'. Right now, they really need our witness to them. I truly believe that now, more than ever, they are more receptive to it than any other time in history. They are scared and fearful, and sometimes fear can make people go along with the flow so that they don't stand out and be destroyed.
 
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Andy C

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JoyJoyJoy said:
@RaptureEnthusiast
I agree with you. I think the Restrainer is here and as strong as ever. I think when we are raptured, then the Holy Spirit will go with us.
I have just seen this opinion mentioned over and over and I dont know of any scripture that backs that up.
I think America may be feeling a sting right now and its nothing we don't deserve. The Scripture says The Lord giveth, He taketh away.
We have had many good years and now that its getting a bit harder(nothing compared to other countries), I can't attribute it to the Restrainer letting go.
I think I get cross when we as American Christians complain and bellyache that we aren't getting to Heaven on a featherbed.
And I am talking about Christians in general, not necessarily this board. I see it on Twitter and other places and I can't believe that this is a good witness to the world.
Thank you for the replies!!:):):):)
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Concur, there is not a gradual let go by the Holy Spirit any more than there is a slow, and gradual rapture.

When the Restrainer goes, the container goes.
 
JSTyler

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Andy C said:
Concur, there is not a gradual let go by the Holy Spirit any more than there is a slow, and gradual rapture.

When the Restrainer goes, the container goes.
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I don't disagree with you but I do have a thought along the lines of "gradual letting go". I'm not zealous about it either but It does make sense in my cartoon mind. Kick my shins if they need kicking...

I have no doubt that the power and work of the Holy Spirit will not change until God decrees it, not one iota. I do doubt however the positive nature of the current impact the vessels of the Holy Spirit are having/making (read me/us). If the salt has lost it's savor and such...or even if the salt refuses through fear or doubt or pick your favorite malady, to be where they can season what's lacking salt, is that not similar to a diminishing impact of the Holy Spirit on the world? I know that God doesn't require us, that He can make the rocks cry out, but I also know that He commissioned us for a purpose and it's possible that maybe we ain't doing the job. I also wonder if this covid mess is part of the schemes of the powers and principalities that has aided our withdraw from the front lines. It makes it so easy to find "good" reasons to barricade ourselves from the scary wascally wabbits in the world.
 
Matthew6:33

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Maybe this is a dumb question but I have wondered this and heard it preached before.

Are we 100% sure that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit?

Could it be an angelic force that God has assigned to keep things from unfolding until the appointed time?
 
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RaptureEnthusiast said:
@JoyJoyJoy
What we are seeing is the wickedness and lawlessness increasing, and taking more of a foothold in our every day lives. This is especially uncomfortable for unbelievers because they do not have God to depend upon. They have no hope of a future like we do.

This should empower believers to get out there and fight even harder to bring more to salvation. Especially those on the fence who do not understand what is going on. They are losing hope and starting to join the 'wrong crowd'. Right now, they really need our witness to them. I truly believe that now, more than ever, they are more receptive to it than any other time in history. They are scared and fearful, and sometimes fear can make people go along with the flow so that they don't stand out and be destroyed.
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Chris

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Jonlvis said:
I believe the answer is alluded to in verse 6, which looks back to verse 3. "And now ye know what withholdeth"... In verse 3 what is witholding the "day of Christ" is first a "falling away." In (2 Tim 4:3,4 KJ) this is saying that believers will actually turn away ("falling away" - 2 Tim 4:3,4) from the preserved Word of God (Psl 12:,67 KJ), which is given and preserved by the precious Holy Spirit of God. The "truth" is that which restrains. Being that the Holy Spirit has sealed the believer (Eph 1:13; 4:30) and yet the believer is turning away from the Holy Spirit breathed and preserved Word of God and is reading, for example, so-called modern " versions" that actually say the opposite of what God's Word the King James actually says etc., is where the Holy Spirit is not restraining. The Holy Spirit will not stop restraining (2 Thess 2:7 KJ) "until he be taken out of the way"...is true, of course. But WHO He is restraining and "through" whom He is restraining is where the answer is. In (Rom 1:24,26,28 KJ) God gives them up and over to a reprovate mind. That is, His restraint (truth) they can no longer be restrained by. And today God's Word the truth is no longer restraining "through" many believers because they don't even have it. God doesn't teach or operate through corruptions of His Word. See, fir example, (Isa 9:3 KJ) where God did not do something and the modern "versions" say thst He did do it. Those two are opposites. Now, who is one really listening to when thier book they are calling the Scriptures actually says the opposite of what God's Word actually says? See: Gen 2:17 and 3:4 for satan's addition of the word NOT to get the answer. Or see (Rev 22:19 KJ) where the "BOOK" of life has bern taken away and changed to "TREE" of life in the very verse that God warns of His taking away a person's part in the book of life for doing that. This is many, many people in the Body of Christ the church today. God the Holy Spirit restrains through His own words....not through the deceivers words.
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What are you saying? That the KJV is the only true word?

Do you think the HS is the restrainer?
 
Chris

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Jonlvis said:
Yes. God only has 1 book in the form that He wants it in in every generation. It's not "King James only," it's (Psl 12:6,7) only. That which "restrains" is the truth. The church ( i e., the Body of Christ - Eph 1:22,23 KJ) is (1 Tim 3:15) the piller and ground of the truth. And the truth is soley given by the Holy Spirit of God (2 Pet 1:20,21 - KJ).
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As for the restrainer it is clearly the Holy Spirit. That is shown in Ephes. 13:1. When the HS is removed the church is removed as well. The restrainer is the Holy Spirit. Not the church. This is evidenced by the use of personal pronouns "he" when referring to the third part of the trinity. The church is not a "he" it is the "bride".
 
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