The Rapture is Real

greg64

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I do think it's important to understand that any restrictions here usually have come after various abuses have occurred -- sometimes repeatedly -- the conversation system was one of those casualties, but it was self-inflicted on all of us by some number of people. Sometimes there are things I'd love to talk about, but while they might be helpful for me, they could be harmful for others, especially people casually stumbling on the site. I think this is still by far the best thing going, even if we might feel like walking on eggshells from time to time. The important thing is the truth is getting out there and (hopefully) Christ is being honored -- I really appreciate the lengths Chris and Adrian go to in making sure it stays that way. And the tremendous amount of time and I'm sure resources involved must be staggering.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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I have height phobia. Not sure of how to meet the Lord in the air. I hope it is not too high. And the flight to heaven.... I hope someone can hold my hand and guide me.
Even though Scripture doesn't spell it out, there is evidence that we will be escorted to our new abode, by angels. Lot and his family were delivered via the ministry of angels. And Jesus Himself refers to angels who, at His command, "will gather His chosen ones..." (Matthew 24:31).
 

JSTyler

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I don't love heights either... but I'm sure that phobia will be be erased in a nano-second!
If you're young or spry enough, go rock climbing with someone that knows the ropes (heh, pun). Real rock, too. No prefabricated "sport" walls. It's a fantastic cure for high anxiety. Albeit, when age and immobility robs you of the rock-rat life, the height phobias can and do return with a vengeance.

I have to get on roofs semi-regularly in my current situation, and do some up-there tree work...and it's ALWAYS on ropes and rigs. They definitely help to allay the fears.
 

JSTyler

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Even though Scripture doesn't spell it out, there is evidence that we will be escorted to our new abode, by angels. Lot and his family were delivered via the ministry of angels. And Jesus Himself refers to angels who, at His command, "will gather His chosen ones..." (Matthew 24:31).
It's good that the body is left behind, otherwise my angels would need to lift with their legs...I am working on it, though. Gimme a couple months, 7-8 lbs down from two weeks ago.
 

JSTyler

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I do think it's important to understand that any restrictions here usually have come after various abuses have occurred -- sometimes repeatedly -- the conversation system was one of those casualties, but it was self-inflicted on all of us by some number of people. Sometimes there are things I'd love to talk about, but while they might be helpful for me, they could be harmful for others, especially people casually stumbling on the site. I think this is still by far the best thing going, even if we might feel like walking on eggshells from time to time. The important thing is the truth is getting out there and (hopefully) Christ is being honored -- I really appreciate the lengths Chris and Adrian go to in making sure it stays that way. And the tremendous amount of time and I'm sure resources involved must be staggering.
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Yeah, that addresses the one rule that's chafing me the most and to no end. I was well aware of that rule or policy when I signed up and have no excuse to fuss. But golly-gee-wilickers, Mr. Wilson, it sure don't always sit well.

I simply didn't expect to be drawn in so completely into a community of people with such similar world views and positions. It's hurting something inside of me, this inability to go deeper, in real life with most of you people. That applies particularly to folks that are within reasonable reach of my habitation. I know that my wife and I aren't the only people that are absolutely starved for in-person fellowship with the brothers and sisters we're soon gonna fly with.

That has to be soon enough.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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Your glorified body includes a glorified brain. No phobias. Also, if Einstein is in Heaven, you will be able to discuss the Unified Field Theory.
Einstein claimed that he was an atheist, although he did speak of "God" from time to time, as in "God doesn't play dice" (in his objection to quantum mechanics). In any case, sadly, there is no indication that he ever knew Jesus.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
Hmmmm i just read an article from Jeff Van Hatten putting forth the idea that people will actually see us getting raptured and used the following examples to ponder on

- Each time a rapture has happened people have witnessed
- Elisha and another group of prophets saw Elijah being taken into heaven
-The disciples witnessed Jesus ascension when he was returning to heaven

It's an interesting things that make you go hmmm even though it mentions that it would happen in a twinkling of an eye.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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You are right. That's why I said "if".
If he is not there, we can discuss Quantum Mechanics with any mechanic that is.
Funny! I can't imagine conversing on it in heaven--no "Math Monsters" in heaven (or, is it Math Creatures??). LOL (BTW, quantum mechanics doesn't need to be capitalized because it is a field of study--like physics, for example). Just sayin' :)
 
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Hiftobaf

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Hmmmm i just read an article from Jeff Van Hatten putting forth the idea that people will actually see us getting raptured and used the following examples to ponder on

- Each time a rapture has happened people have witnessed
- Elisha and another group of prophets saw Elijah being taken into heaven
-The disciples witnessed Jesus ascension when he was returning to heaven

It's an interesting things that make you go hmmm even though it mentions that it would happen in a twinkling of an eye.

1 Corinthians says the dead will be resurrected and currently living saints will receive new bodies in the twinkling of an eye. It doesn't say how soon after that we're taken to heaven.

Matthew 27:51-53 says that after Jesus resurrected, a bunch of dead saints in Jerusalem also resurrected. We don't know how long they were on the earth before going up to heaven either.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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It's an interesting things that make you go hmmm even though it mentions that it would happen in a twinkling of an eye.
The Jewish expression, "in the twinkling of an eye" refers to twilight--of which there are two periods of about one hour in each day. There is an evening twilight, the beginning of which is the point where the sun dips below the horizon and a morning twilight, which begins when the first rays of the sun are visible above the horizon. On the day of the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) it could not be announced that the day of the Feast had begun until the two witnesses in Jerusalem saw it. Or, at least, that is the way it was explained to me by a Messianic Jew. He said that is why Jesus said, "No man can know the day or the hour." This may well have been His way of referring to Rosh Hashana (the Feast of Trumpets) as the day of His return for the Bride--because it was commonly said of that day--that, "...no man can know the day or the hour..." because it had to be witnessed in Jerusalem by two witnesses, and, depending on the atmospheric conditions, it couldn't be exactly pinpointed. There are other symbols attached to this Feast--signifying marriage and the coronation of a King.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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The Jewish expression, "in the twinkling of an eye" refers to twilight--of which there are two periods of about one hour in each day. There is an evening twilight, the beginning of which is the point where the sun dips below the horizon and a morning twilight, which begins when the first rays of the sun are visible above the horizon. On the day of the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) it could not be announced that the day of the Feast had begun until the two witnesses in Jerusalem saw it. Or, at least, that is the way it was explained to me by a Messianic Jew. He said that is why Jesus said, "No man can know the day or the hour." This may well have been His way of referring to Rosh Hashana (the Feast of Trumpets) as the day of His return for the Bride--because it was commonly said of that day--that, "...no man can know the day or the hour..." because it had to be witnessed in Jerusalem by two witnesses, and, depending on the atmospheric conditions, it couldn't be exactly pinpointed. There are other symbols attached to this Feast--signifying marriage and the coronation of a King.
I should have noted that a Jewish day (including feast days) begins at sundown, running through the night and the following day before ending at sundown the next night. This is a point of confusion for those accustomed to the concept of a day running from 12 midnight to 12 midnight (a method of accounting for days which goes all the way back to the Romans).
 

daygo

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I was the opposite I read the amillenial view and agreed to it but after 2 days and reading further I discounted it. Also imo only those watching will hear the trumpet and the command, not saying all Christians won't go up in the rapture, a bit like waiting for a bus or train those watching will see and hear the bus or train approaching but if your busy looking the other way and nattering you'll be taken by surprise, you'll still catch the bus or train but it'll come unawares.Again am not dogmatic about this.
 

Wings Like Eagles

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Hmmmm i just read an article from Jeff Van Hatten putting forth the idea that people will actually see us getting raptured and used the following examples to ponder on

- Each time a rapture has happened people have witnessed
- Elisha and another group of prophets saw Elijah being taken into heaven
-The disciples witnessed Jesus ascension when he was returning to heaven

It's an interesting things that make you go hmmm even though it mentions that it would happen in a twinkling of an eye.
There is also the thought that others witnessed the "rapture" of Enoch as, how would the writer of Genesis (from the Book of Adam by Moses?) be able to say, that Enoch "...disappeared, because God took him." ? (Genesis 5:23-24) He could have been told, but it certainly sounds like it was witnessed.
 
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