The Rapture - Are you hopeful or dependent?

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
There is a new date going around as to when the rapture is supposed to happen. Some Christians state the date is correct, others state that the date is false and still others want to believe the date, but are afraid they are going against the bible which states that no one knows the day or the hour.

Here is my take, though no one asked me. LOL! :)

While I do think it is wrong to tell others of a date for the rapture, whether it's OK for you personally to believe a date or not depends on if you are hopeful or dependent on that date being correct. So to make sense, I must explain what I mean by hopeful verses dependent. If you are just hopeful about something and it does not happen you may be a little disappointed, but it does not really affect you. If you are dependent on something happening, you will have a change in your attitude if it does not come to pass.

Here is a somewhat silly example of me being dependent on something that I should have been hopeful about. I always loved Muhammad Ali as a boxer when I was growing up and still today right or wrong believe he is the greatest boxer I have ever seen. When I was in high school he was making his comeback from being barred from boxing because he would not submit to the draft. So after winning some fights, he was able to go for the championship against Joe Frazier. Well back at this time there was still a lot of tension between blacks and whites and Ali took advantage of it saying that Frazier was an Uncle Tom and Ali was the champion of the black race. So many blacks fell for this including myself.

So the days before the fight most blacks (maybe all) in my school, were rooting for Ali and most whites were rooting for Frazier. I of course was rooting for Ali. So there were a lot of whites bragging about how Frazier was going to kick Ali's butt and a lot of blacks (including me) bragging about how Ali was going to kick Frazier's butt. Well as history will attest, Frazier won the fight. I was just so upset that night. I was really angry and looking for some excuse as to why Ali lost. I was still upset the next morning and on my way to school I was thinking about how the whites supporting Frazier would rub it in.

Well I am not a fighter and usually don't understand why some people actually like to fight. However, I now had a feeling that was new to me, I was so upset and angry that I actually wanted to fight someone. I thought to myself, bet... I just hope some white guy with a big smile on their face tells me that Frazier kicked Ali's butt! I was ready to wipe that smile off their face, assuming they were not some big burly guy. LOL!!! Fortunately no white guys said anything. I think they knew by our expressions that it would instantly cause a fight. In any case, I thought I was just hoping that Ali would win, but in reality I was dependent on him wining. When he did not win, my attitude changed and I became very angry.

So I will say again, in my opinion there is no problem hoping for a rapture date that you here about, just be sure you are only hoping not depending on the date being correct!
 
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crossnote

fully dependent upon His grace
I never ever entertain the thought that the rapture would happen on a certain day. Why? Because...

Matthew 24:36 KJVS
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 25:13 KJVS
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Too many have been suckered into date setting.

BTW, I rooted for Cassius Clay as a white kid :lol
 

OnlyHim

Well-Known Member
The problem with all of the "date setters" in reference to trying to determine an actual date for the rapture is simply nonsense because the Rapture is not "date" dependent like say a Feast Day. It is number dependent as in the fullness of the gentiles. Once the fullness comes in (as in all of the gentiles that are to be a part of the Kingdom of God are accounted for) THEN the rapture will happen...at some point. It doesn't say it will happen exactly at the same moment that last gentile is saved. It could have already happened and we are waiting until the appointed time.

Will the Rapture happen on a specific day, yes. It will happen on a specific day in the future. Could that day be a special day like a feast day? Sure it could be. It could also be next Tuesday. But to think that God is waiting for a specific "Day" that he has set aside for that purpose only I don't think is the case. He is waiting on that last Gentile to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Then we fly.
 

Rocky R.

Well-Known Member
The problem with all of the "date setters" in reference to trying to determine an actual date for the rapture is simply nonsense because the Rapture is not "date" dependent like say a Feast Day. It is number dependent as in the fullness of the gentiles. Once the fullness comes in (as in all of the gentiles that are to be a part of the Kingdom of God are accounted for) THEN the rapture will happen...at some point. It doesn't say it will happen exactly at the same moment that last gentile is saved. It could have already happened and we are waiting until the appointed time.

Will the Rapture happen on a specific day, yes. It will happen on a specific day in the future. Could that day be a special day like a feast day? Sure it could be. It could also be next Tuesday. But to think that God is waiting for a specific "Day" that he has set aside for that purpose only I don't think is the case. He is waiting on that last Gentile to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Then we fly.

The Tribulation period begins some time after the Rapture. During those tumultuous seven years, many Gentiles believe in Christ and are saved, despite the Satanic lies and strong delusion. I believe the date of the Rapture is arbitrary -- it's whatever date God decides, and it's like that great surprise a daddy holds onto till the proper time to give it. We know about it, but we don't know when it will be given.
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
Jesus states that we will not know the day or the hour meaning the specific time. Just like you will not know the day or hour when your child will be born, but you will know by the signs when it is very soon. So in the same way, we will know the season which is why Jesus gave us signs to look for.
That said, I truly believe we are in the season, so it won't be long! :rapture
 
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Rocky R.

Well-Known Member
The Rapture will be true evolution by transformation. Creation scientists say that true evolution cannot happen without adding more genetic information to our DNA. But the Curse ensures a loss of information, not a gain. However, the Rapture will happen in the blink of an eye. Your transformation will occur all-at-once -- faster than you can blink. Imagine how glorious this would be for a quadriplegic, the brother in a coma, or a persecuted sister in the Middle East, body and mind broken and left to die ... then suddenly zipping across the universe faster than the speed of light, with powerful bodies many times stronger than an Olympic triathlete. As we have borne the image of the earthly man, we will bear the image of the Heavenly Man.
 

Goodboy

Won't Be Long Now!
The Rapture will be true evolution by transformation. Creation scientists say that true evolution cannot happen without adding more genetic information to our DNA. But the Curse ensures a loss of information, not a gain. However, the Rapture will happen in the blink of an eye. Your transformation will occur all-at-once -- faster than you can blink. Imagine how glorious this would be for a quadriplegic, the brother in a coma, or a persecuted sister in the Middle East, body and mind broken and left to die ... then suddenly zipping across the universe faster than the speed of light, with powerful bodies many times stronger than an Olympic triathlete. As we have borne the image of the earthly man, we will bear the image of the Heavenly Man.

Salivating..... can't wait!!! :bouncies
 

fl2007rn

Well-Known Member
Jesus states that we will not know the day or the hour meaning the specific time. Just like you will not know the day or hour when your child will be born, but you will know by the signs when it is very soon. So in the same way, we will know the season which is why Jesus gave us signs to look for.
That said, I truly believe we are in the season, so it won't be long! :rapture
Awesome comment and my thoughts exactly! We are living in the final days and it is more important than ever to tell our unsaved family and friends about the glorious gift of Salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ and the Rapture.
 

TheRedeemed

Well-Known Member
There is a new date going around as to when the rapture is supposed to happen.


Yes I think I know the date you allude to, coming to a Wednesday near you soon!

Thing is apart from all the usual warnings about date setting and date setters, the rapture occurs on two dates simultaneously anyway!

So no one will ever get the date right, even if they predicted the correct date for their geographical area.
 

Mikedexion

Well-Known Member
There is a new date going around as to when the rapture is supposed to happen. Some Christians state the date is correct, others state that the date is false and still others want to believe the date, but are afraid they are going against the bible which states that no one knows the day or the hour.

Here is my take, though no one asked me. LOL! :)

While I do think it is wrong to tell others of a date for the rapture, whether it's OK for you personally to believe a date or not depends on if you are hopeful or dependent on that date being correct. So to make sense, I must explain what I mean by hopeful verses dependent. If you are just hopeful about something and it does not happen you may be a little disappointed, but it does not really affect you. If you are dependent on something happening, you will have a change in your attitude if it does not come to pass.

Here is a somewhat silly example of me being dependent on something that I should have been hopeful about. I always loved Muhammad Ali as a boxer when I was growing up and still today right or wrong believe he is the greatest boxer I have ever seen. When I was in high school he was making his comeback from being barred from boxing because he would not submit to the draft. So after winning some fights, he was able to go for the championship against Joe Frazier. Well back at this time there was still a lot of tension between blacks and whites and Ali took advantage of it saying that Frazier was an Uncle Tom and Ali was the champion of the black race. So many blacks fell for this including myself.

So the days before the fight most blacks (maybe all) in my school, were rooting for Ali and most whites were rooting for Frazier. I of course was rooting for Ali. So there were a lot of whites bragging about how Frazier was going to kick Ali's butt and a lot of blacks (including me) bragging about how Ali was going to kick Frazier's butt. Well as history will attest, Frazier won the fight. I was just so upset that night. I was really angry and looking for some excuse as to why Ali lost. I was still upset the next morning and on my way to school I was thinking about how the whites supporting Frazier would rub it in.

Well I am not a fighter and usually don't understand why some people actually like to fight. However, I now had a feeling that was new to me, I was so upset and angry that I actually wanted to fight someone. I thought to myself, bet... I just hope some white guy with a big smile on their face tells me that Frazier kicked Ali's butt! I was ready to wipe that smile off their face, assuming they were not some big burly guy. LOL!!! Fortunately no white guys said anything. I think they knew by our expressions that it would instantly cause a fight. In any case, I thought I was just hoping that Ali would win, but in reality I was dependent on him wining. When he did not win, my attitude changed and I became very angry.

So I will say again, in my opinion there is no problem hoping for a rapture date that you here about, just be sure you are only hoping not depending on the date being correct!

I know exactly what date your talking about, haha. I'd love it to be that day as I believe we are in the season, if it happens WOOHOO! if not! I continue to wait patiently., This date has somehow set-off a huge argument and I see others completely denying he will come on that day, which to me is equally as arrogant as saying he will definitely come on a specific day... We shall see!
 

Big Brother Billy

WAITING ON JESUS
WELL I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY DATE SETTING! I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED I THAT NONSENSE! GOODBOY YOU COME UP WITH SOME GOOD STUFF! I ALSO WAS FOR CLAY! I WAS IN THE 6TH GRADE. THE BEST TEACHER I HAD IN SCHOOL WAS AGAINST ALI. OUR SCHOOL WAS ALL WHITE BACK THEN. MR. M WAS MAD SO WE ALL WATCHED OUR STEP! I QUIT WATCHING BOXING WHEN I SAW MY FAV. QUIT SUGAR RAY LEONARD! NOW I JUST HOPE THAT SWEET NANCY DON'T BEAT ME UP!! ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU ALL! SEE YA'LL SOON IN THE SKY!
 

Andy C

Well-Known Member
I know exactly what date your talking about, haha. I'd love it to be that day as I believe we are in the season, if it happens WOOHOO! if not! I continue to wait patiently., This date has somehow set-off a huge argument and I see others completely denying he will come on that day, which to me is equally as arrogant as saying he will definitely come on a specific day... We shall see!
Date setting is not allowed, but reporting what others are saying, that could be a “gray” area. So, what are folks speculating about? Regardless of what it is, we know FOR SURE that no person can know the true date.
 

JSTyler

Well-Known Member
Date setting is not allowed, but reporting what others are saying, that could be a “gray” area. So, what are folks speculating about? Regardless of what it is, we know FOR SURE that no person can know the true date.
Worse yet, now it CAN'T happen that day as "no man knows the day, nor the hour". So these nincompoops keep pushing the awaited time down the road...I'm vexed I tells ya' :confused2
 
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