The Millennial Kingdom: Now or Future

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The Millennial Kingdom: Now or Future
By Nathan Jones

Are we living in the Millennial Kingdom right now?

(Note: This series of questions about Jesus Christ’s coming Millennial Kingdom were sent in to Lamb & Lion Ministries and answered by Dr. David Reagan, Nathan Jones, and Tim Moore on our television program Christ in Prophecy.)

Dr. Reagan: Some churches teach that since Jesus is reigning right now from Heaven that we are already living in the Millennium Kingdom right now.

Tim Moore: I’d ask, “Since when?” In other words, when did the thousand years start, if they think we are already living in it right now? If people interpret Revelation 20 literally as Christ’s Kingdom lasting a literal thousand years, then there had to have been a beginning point and also an endpoint.

I don’t see that there is a reign of Jesus Christ being manifest on the earth right now. Is Satan bound, as Revelation teaches he will be during Christ’s Kingdom? If he is bound in the Bottomless Pit, he sure has a lot of free reign in the midst of his binding, because you can see his manifestation all around as the world descends deeper into darkness.

Nathan Jones: I love what Micah 4:1-3 says, “Now it shall come to pass in the latter days…” meaning the Millennial Kingdom, “…that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established on top of the mountain. It shall be exalted above the hills.” Is Jerusalem exalted today? Micah continues, “The people shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, ‘Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of God of Jacob.” Is the house of God up on Jerusalem today? And, then he says, “They shall walk in our paths, for out of Zion the law shall go forth.” Is the law of the world coming forth out of Jerusalem? The answer is obviously no.

Dr. Reagan: An Amillennialist would immediately claim that Micah was talking about the Church. He’s not describing some future Kingdom, they would counter, but Micah was merely prophesying about the Church.

Nathan Jones: If you interpret Scriptures spiritually, then you could make out any interpretation that you want.

Dr. Reagan: That’s true. The Church today is not reigning over all of the world.

Nathan Jones: Clearly not. That’s another viewpoint — the Post-Millennial viewpoint — which is the teaching that the Church will eventually rule over the world and then hand the keys to Kingdom to Jesus Christ upon His return.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, it is the Amillennialist who will claim Christ’s Kingdom is going on right now. I always reply to such a far-out statement with, “If Jesus is reigning over His kingdom right now then He is doing a very, very poor job of it.” Arnold Fruchtenbaum, who is a Messianic Jewish teacher, often says to the effect, “If we are in the Millennium now, then we are living in the slum portion of it.”

Nathan Jones: There is a misinterpretation as to what Christ’s Kingdom actually entails. If we go to the writings of Cotton Mather, a Puritan pastor from back in the 1700s, he taught that the Kingdom of Christ was a four-part kingdom: a spiritual kingdom, a providential kingdom, and an ecclesiastical kingdom, and one other. The ecclesiastical kingdom consists of the Church’s influence over the earth right now and the Lord who rules through it. However, there is a fourth aspect to Christ’s Kingdom that Mather pointed out, and that is the Davidic Kingdom. This aspect of the Kingdom is when Jesus will rule and reign on the seat of King David from Jerusalem. That aspect of the Kingdom has yet to be been claimed, but waits for when Jesus returns.

Tim Moore: And, when Jesus rules over the Davidic Kingdom, He will rule with a rod of iron, which means all of the evil that we see manifest around the world today will not be tolerated. So, clearly, Jesus is not reigning in that manner right now, even through the Church.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, the Bible says that during Christ’s Kingdom the earth will be flooded with righteousness as the waters cover the seas. I just don’t see that today.

Nathan Jones: Tim, you lead trips to Israel all of the time, and you travel to the Dead Sea. Are people fishing in the Dead Sea? Are the cliffs all green with vegetation? Not at all! And yet, in Ezekiel 47, the chapter prophesied that the Dead Sea during the Millennial Kingdom will be made alive again. The Dead Sea will be fruitful and fishermen will spread their nets across its waters. That is clearly not happening today.

Dr. Reagan: Amillennialists will claim that Ezekiel was just providing symbolic language for the Gospel going out all over the world. But, the problem is, when you spiritualize prophecy, then you never know when it is fulfilled. You can never know when a prophecy has actually been fulfilled.

Tim Moore: Spiritualizing allows the interpreter to become the declarer of what the Word of God means, instead of letting the Word of God speak for itself.

In the third part of our series answering questions about the Millennial Kingdom, we’ll explore if the Church alone apart from Christ will rule over the Millennial Kingdom.

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TheRedeemed

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For anyone who believes we're in the kingdom now, go stand in a plain in Africa and tease a lion. You'll soon find out that we're not in the millennium kingdom now and, in fact, since lions have been killing and eating others since the resurrection, we never have been in the kingdom either.
 
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Footsteps

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There is a guy with a regular TV show that believes we are in the Tribulation. Worst scripture crowbar job ever (next to all the other twisted scripture presentations.)
 

Anewcreationinjesus

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For anyone who believes we're in the kingdom now, go stand in a plain in Africa and tease a lion. You'll soon find out that we're not in the millennium kingdom now and, in fact, since lions have been killing and eating others since the resurrection, we never have been in the kingdom either.
Instant NAR rebuttal right there!! Love it :)

Ironically have spotted people following kingdom now who write songs about "the lions roar" and groups simply called The Lions ....

But like you say, they arent likely to challenge a lion to a fight anytime soon ....they are far happier to say they have "Samsons mantle" ....
 

Dave_97

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I’ve always had a question about the millennium kingdom regarded the glorified believers (those raptured) who come to reign with Christ.

Basically, where will we be living during the millennium kingdom? I understand those with regular fleshly bodies will be on earth living in regular houses and sleeping during the night. But what about us? Will we have direct access to go to heaven and come back during the daytime on earth to do our duties? Cause I don’t think we will need to sleep anymore in our glorified bodies. Also Jesus said there is many rooms in his fathers mansion. This makes me think we will be able to go back and forth from heaven and earth when we please. I could be wrong though.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

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I've been thinking lately if God the father will be in the earthly Jerusalem or whether it will just be Jesus whilst God the father will be dwelling mainly in the 3rd heaven?

Or will all 3 Godheads dwell in Jerusalem simultaneously since they are all one in the same being with different traits (Where am I going with this i'm confusing myself) ?

Maybe this question falls into the realm of the mystery of the trinity
 

antitox

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The way I understand it when Jesus said in John 4 that "God is spirit" pointing out that He is not in a body but is pure spirit. The person of Jesus is shown in a spiritual body, though, and we shall be like Him so that we have God before us in a way that relates perfectly to us. It's really amazing how God has designed this. So the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all there, it's just that the person of Jesus will be outwardly seen, for they are one. My two cents.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

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I’ve always had a question about the millennium kingdom regarded the glorified believers (those raptured) who come to reign with Christ.

Basically, where will we be living during the millennium kingdom? I understand those with regular fleshly bodies will be on earth living in regular houses and sleeping during the night. But what about us? Will we have direct access to go to heaven and come back during the daytime on earth to do our duties? Cause I don’t think we will need to sleep anymore in our glorified bodies. Also Jesus said there is many rooms in his fathers mansion. This makes me think we will be able to go back and forth from heaven and earth when we please. I could be wrong though.
Good question, i"ll look into it a bit more but i always thought we would be in the new Jerusalem and would be able to travel back and forth between their and the old earth.

I'm going to need prayer, some caffeine preferably Red bull and some good ol fashion bible reading to get a clearer picture
 
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