The "Loudness" of God in a Christian's Life

Salluz

You mean we can change these titles?
I think we have all heard testimonies of the people who are saved and have immediate, amazing, life-changing experiences where God shows himself in some grand fashion in the new believer's life. The people that immediately stop a certain sin that defined them before being saved or the ones who receive clear messages from God somehow in their lives.

Then there are others like myself who were saved at a young age but have lacked those "loud" moments where God clearly speaks in some manner. My life has been a series of gradual sanctification and learning about God, slowly dealing with issues. I've seen extremely unlikely healings through doctors that I know God had his hand on and I'm thankful for, but nothing like someone I've talked to that knew a girl who was miraculously cured of celiac's disease, or someone else who had a man walk up to him on a mission's trip saying he saw a vision that the person needed to share something important with him (the gospel).

Is the clear, miraculous communication something that comes to every serious believer with time, or something that indicates a lack of faith if it's not there?

I'm wondering what everyone's experiences have been and what their thoughts are. I know I've read testimonies laden with miracles here
 

athenasius

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Salluz, I got freezing in mhy hand, so typos and makes it slow.

Short answer
God gives more miracles where people are weaker in the gospel. as in newly reached areas. or muslim areas. or new christians.
I think for those who know and trust God (stronger christians) the focus is on stretching us, in our faith and trust.

I'd explain better,but tomorrow when Ican type better. LOL it might bea lot longer!!!! warning ya
 

yrrek

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I think God gives us what we need to have a close relationship with him. I don’t think it’s lack of faith. People that don’t get that Loudness I would say would be stronger. It would be easier to walk away when you don’t get that miraculous moments you hear others receive. I needed that loudness to get to the place of surrender but after accepting Christ and growing in Him I haven’t had as much. Some people need it to go in the direction God wants them to go. Others are exactly where he wants them. I’d say if you want to have that experience to pray and ask him for it.
 

InsuranceGuy

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I believe God knows who NEEDS the loudness and if it is needed, it comes at an appropriate time. I've never heard the loudness until being told I was going to die. Since then, I've had two experiences I would consider as being loud. I know people who have been saved most of their life and have never had any experience at all. To me, that's because they are on the right track and don't "need" it. It's definitely not a lack of faith my friend. Not at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite. God hasn't needed to be loud with you. He's been loud with me only as a form of protection and/or calmness. Unfortunately, I needed it at the time. I would say he probably doesn't get involved if you have things under control on your own. That says an awful lot about your faith. It must be quite strong, much stronger than you even believe!
 

Salluz

You mean we can change these titles?
I believe God knows who NEEDS the loudness and if it is needed, it comes at an appropriate time. I've never heard the loudness until being told I was going to die. Since then, I've had two experiences I would consider as being loud. I know people who have been saved most of their life and have never had any experience at all. To me, that's because they are on the right track and don't "need" it. It's definitely not a lack of faith my friend. Not at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite. God hasn't needed to be loud with you. He's been loud with me only as a form of protection and/or calmness. Unfortunately, I needed it at the time. I would say he probably doesn't get involved if you have things under control on your own. That says an awful lot about your faith. It must be quite strong, much stronger than you even believe!
I really do hope it's the case that my faith is stronger than I would assess it. I think the biggest worry in my life at the moment is that I'm not doing enough in service to God with the things he has given me and not turning over enough of my life, so when I think of my own faith it is a faith that isn't strong enough to turn everything over and I lament that. Thanks for the assessment, though. I really appreciate the thought that my faith might be more than I perceive it as. It's a comforting thought, but at the same time I wonder why there are still areas of my life I haven't turned over to Christ...

I'm also eagerly awaiting Athenasius's longer response, because I think it was taking the question in a different direction and I would like to explore both, that being that there tends to be more "loud" miracles in gospel starved areas. Hopefully her hands are feeling better soon! I'm also curious as to why some people are chosen for instantaneous "God-only" miraculous healing rather than times when our prayers are answered through a surgery or medicine or over time, but that could probably even be a different thread entirely.
 

athenasius

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Ok hands are fine now that the freezing is out of my right hand and esp my thumb! Praise God for thumbs.

I wanted to explore a bit more because sometimes I've seen God move when I ask, in a total miracle (the Loud voice) that is really amazing. But other times God says nope, not now.

It doesn't always mean the faith or lack of faith in a persons life. Either mine or the person I prayed for.

I think the main factor is the NEED in the person being prayed for, or the need in the new Christian's life who is hoping God is real, living in an Islamic country or the destruction of a life spent on drugs. It seems to me that God is very very very attentive to the NEEDS of His people.

So when a miracle is NEEDED (and that is by GODS definition of need, not ours) then God does a miracle. But when it's not needed (again, by God's definition of what's important in that person's life, character and long term growth) then it may be that God is asking for the person to lean in on HIM for the day to day hardship whatever it is.

It comes down to gifts too, because I hear people say things about so and so has the gift of..... fill in the blank, but then God surprises people by healing someone when the person who prays for them operates in a WHOLE DIFFERENT GIFT.

The thing is the NEED of the person they were praying for. If that needy soul didn't need say a word of knowledge, they needed healing oh so desperately, then God's going to use the obedient servant nearby who mostly does operate in the word of knowledge and SURPRISE theres' a healing miracle.

But the point is that the miracle comes from GOD. Not the person with the gift or who operates normally in a certain way.

Now back to examples.

So you all know that God graciously has allowed George to live, despite a brain tumour, and He has provided a drug thru our drs that means George didn't need surgery. That was amazing and wonderful.

BUT I've seen God heal our daughter, who had what was looking like a brain tumour, and she was fully healed instantly. She was 7. The drs had ruled everything else out and the last scan was the formality because they were sure it was a brain tumour and were dreading the final diagnosis as they suspected it was a bad one. She is 37 this December. So 30 years ago. It was a miracle but I couldn't talk about it as such because we hadn't gotten the final diagnosis when God suddenly healed her. Like Mary I've held this in my heart and rarely speak of it. Because I don't have the final proof of what she had. The specialists were puzzled but said it sometimes happens like that but we were told it was a brain tumour, just that when they went looking for it on the week she had the last tests, she'd been healed the previous week. So nope, no medical documented proof, just what I saw happen. And I could go on about how God comforted me in the days leading up to the drs saying she is fine. A miracle there too.

My mother in law was given 6 weeks to live in that same year. With her God showed me I needed to perservere in prayer. This wasn't a once and done healing. First the drs said we made a mistake, she has 3 months but she is still dying. Then they said 6 months. Then they said we've got it, and we can't explain it, but she's going to live. I remember laughing-- I'll explain that later, better not get sidetracked.

Then how hard I prayed back in my teens when my mum was dying. She died. Very very quickly. Diagnosed in early June, dead by Aug 23, 1970. It's burnt into me because the next years were the worst I've ever experienced in my whole life and I'm 63 now and been thru a lot. Yet God sustained me in that horrific aftermath. He taught me that HE was my mother and father and Sustainer and Redeemer and HE loved me and would never leave me or forsake me. And that is where I started to learn to LEAN INTO HIM as the STORMS AND WINDS BLEW EVERYTHING else. What could be shaken was shaken. What stood the storm was GOD and HIS careful love in the middle of the Storms.

So while I'd never want to live thru that again in a million years I would do it again in a heartbeat, if it meant having the sure knowledge of God's love in my life that came from just that hard horrible road I walked in those years.

Now back to something to laugh about

So when my mil was being healed, she was going thru chemo that summer. She was given 6 weeks to live in July. In August by the time they revised her to 6 months, she'd been thru some chemo. I was sitting having a morning coffee with her and she starts flapping her arm up in the air over her head crowing loudly "LOOK AT THIS!!!" my response being Yeah, sooooo?????"

She responded "I haven't been able to do this for years since my shoulder froze! THIS CHEMO IS GOOD!!!" I cracked up totally. I hope I reminded her I was praying, she knew that, and that it was GOD at work, NOT the chemo (I'm an RN, chemo doesn't fix arthritis usually unless it's a boat load of prednisone which this decidedly WASN'T!)

But I remember just sitting there laughing with delight, joy, humour and relief all mixed up. Her too. We were laughing our fool heads off together. I can't remember the year it was 30 years ago now, so 1989?, but she lived till 2003 and died of something quite different-- kidney failure following a heart failure.

She was a tank in human form, a Russian granny not to be messed with. During that same chemo, that same visit, she got all her energy back and proceeded to go shopping with me. I remember her commenting how much energy the Chemo was giving her, and again, NOT THE CHEMO FOLKS! THIS WAS GOD!

She had a HEAVY Russian accent, and she went out with me one morning to Woodwards dept store where one of the salesgirls was really rude to her. She was mocking my mother in laws accent and refusing to help her. My mother in law hauled off and slapped her in the face and I never hustled her out of a store SO FAST in my life. As I explained to my sister in law that evening, my worst fear was that Mil would be jail for assault and battery and having to get her chemo appointment thru the bars of a jail cell.

I got her out of there before that rude little gal even processed that the little old Russian granny in the black trench coat and big honkin black leather purse had nearly decked her!

So yes, God answers prayers in many ways, not all of them expected.
 

athenasius

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And off personal examples and back to foreign Islamic lands, and communist countries. I think where the Bible has had a long run in a society, like we have in the West, we have resources that some new believer who just heard about Christ yesterday and believed has got.

We aren't even aware how much the Bible has been the foundation of our western culture, but it's so much a part of it, and we used to be affected by it-- people used to have the Bible read in school every morning, the Lord's Prayer was said before school could begin. I know you Americans did that with the Pledge of Allegiance. We used to sing God Save the Queen on certain occaisions, but that stopped before I was out of elementary school.

My point being that God will expect us to use the Bible, and grow in it, rather than relying on miracles all the time, but for a new Christian in an area that is fiercely against Christians and hasn't allowed Bibles, the role of the miracle is much more necessary to authenticate their new found faith.

And what is the common element whether these persecuted new Christians or us here in the West-- is God's loving care of all of us. He replies to our prayers in the way He knows will be right. We don't see the end from the beginning, only He does. His viewpoint encompasses all of Time and Eternity. Ours is so limited.

But this I know for sure, God is GOOD all the time, and He is the One sure foundation, the One we can trust ALWAYS.
 

DanLMP

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I really do hope it's the case that my faith is stronger than I would assess it. I think the biggest worry in my life at the moment is that I'm not doing enough in service to God with the things he has given me and not turning over enough of my life, so when I think of my own faith it is a faith that isn't strong enough to turn everything over and I lament that. Thanks for the assessment, though. I really appreciate the thought that my faith might be more than I perceive it as. It's a comforting thought, but at the same time I wonder why there are still areas of my life I haven't turned over to Christ...

I'm also eagerly awaiting Athenasius's longer response, because I think it was taking the question in a different direction and I would like to explore both, that being that there tends to be more "loud" miracles in gospel starved areas. Hopefully her hands are feeling better soon! I'm also curious as to why some people are chosen for instantaneous "God-only" miraculous healing rather than times when our prayers are answered through a surgery or medicine or over time, but that could probably even be a different thread entirely.
Remember that God sees your WHOLE life, not just what you are doing now.

I personally wait for "urgings", either positive or negative, as indications of what I should be doing.

I don't think I am built or equipped to be a "missionary". I can and have answered questions as best I can that have been asked of me and I have commented in conversations where the subject of God has been brought up, but considering the level of my introversion I don't actually interact with people face-to-face much at all.

Also, you may not think you are doing what YOU think you should be doing, but you may be doing what GOD thinks you should be doing. But because we don't have a direct party line, we should talk to Him continually to make sure that that is true. He wants to talk to us all the time anyway so this gives you a good reason if you didn't have one before.
 

athenasius

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Our sister @athenasius as usual has delivered solid doctrine in her posts.
Thank you Adrian, that means more than you know. I worry that I joke too much, talk too much, focus on politics and current affairs too much especially by making light of some serious stuff, or get too serious at times or too close to someones comfort zone at times and once it's out there, I worry. Especially about accidentally hurting someone, by getting too close to their sore spots. And even when I try to be quiet I can only do that for so long.
 

RestInHim

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I think the biggest worry in my life at the moment is that I'm not doing enough in service to God with the things he has given me and not turning over enough of my life, so when I think of my own faith it is a faith that isn't strong enough to turn everything over and I lament that. Thanks for the assessment, though. I really appreciate the thought that my faith might be more than I perceive it as. It's a comforting thought, but at the same time I wonder why there are still areas of my life I haven't turned over to Christ...
I too struggle over this at times. We could think of all kinds of ways to be of service to God, but, if it is not what God has "planned" or "willed" for our lives then it will be wasted service. We can "THINK" of doing this or doing that and even run around like there's no tomorrow, keeping ourselves as busy as we can and accomplish very little in respects to what God wants us to do for Him.

Look at how some Christians whom we think are doing such an amazing job in their service for God, but, they are taken from this earth only to go with Him so soon? Why? We don't see the whole picture.

Some of the greatest work done for the Lord I believe goes unnoticed by the rest of the Body of Christ and by the world. Those who are in the position of being noticed I believe face many temptations as well.

If you are married, you have a ministry, if you have children you have a ministry. Just living the life He has us in, in faith, trusting Him, loving Him and loving others, right where we're at. A life of faith and waiting on Him through our daily life, serving Him in our daily tasks, doing all to the glory of God.

Seeking Him in His word and in prayer, asking Him to show you where He would want you to serve Him and He will show you. Our sanctification is a process and yes we should out of faith trust Him and obey Him, but, we are growing and He is leading us with a loving hand. It's easy at times to listen to our inner voice or Satan's who will try and discourage us, but, it is our Heavenly Father's word that we should stand on and this is how we will grow closer to Him and more like Him as He shows us that what He is doing in us is for our good and His glory. He created us and He knows us better than we know ourselves and would not doing anything to harm us, KNOWING this we can trust Him, He loves us and is patient. And, when He does chastise us it is because He loves us. I know for me I have a tendency to be hard on myself and that is a sin. It is good to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith and if our hearts are for the Lord, but, if we are not fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, we will not be walking in victory. We cannot walk this life of faith with our eyes on ourselves, they must be on Him and His word, His promises, His love for us must be what compels us to trust Him with every single minute of every single day of every single struggle and heartache and testing. Just walk with Him every step of the way and He will show you how to serve Him.... it won't be perfect, but, you will grow.

I've been home bound due to illness for almost 20 years and have had to raise our children who are now all grown up and I was not able to get out to Church for the majority of these years. Sometimes we also deal with the pressure from others to be doing more or doing such and such, but, it is God who should be guiding us. But, through my illness I was able to be online with others serving The Lord. I didn't plan on any of this to be this way, this is God's will for my life. And, as I said above, I too feel sometimes like I am not doing enough for The Lord. But, honestly, I believe He has me exactly where He wants me, doing what He wants me to do for Him and when He wanted me to serve Him in additional ways He led me to it and extended the grace that was needed to do it. And, He will do the same for you.
 

RestInHim

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Then how hard I prayed back in my teens when my mum was dying. She died. Very very quickly. Diagnosed in early June, dead by Aug 23, 1970. It's burnt into me because the next years were the worst I've ever experienced in my whole life and I'm 63 now and been thru a lot. Yet God sustained me in that horrific aftermath. He taught me that HE was my mother and father and Sustainer and Redeemer and HE loved me and would never leave me or forsake me. And that is where I started to learn to LEAN INTO HIM as the STORMS AND WINDS BLEW EVERYTHING else. What could be shaken was shaken. What stood the storm was GOD and HIS careful love in the middle of the Storms.

So while I'd never want to live thru that again in a million years I would do it again in a heartbeat, if it meant having the sure knowledge of God's love in my life that came from just that hard horrible road I walked in those years.
:hugAthenasius

I've shared this here before but when I fell ill almost 20 years ago I was a Christian and the pain and suffering I went through was horrific and it was only by His grace that I survived. And, it was this very suffering which also taught me to lean on Him fully , that He was the ONLY One who could sustain me because He was my Savior and I knew He loved me and because I trusted Him my faith grew in leaps and bounds.
It is through the storms of life and in the valley of the shadow of death that He is our Sheperd.

The same faith we exercised in Jesus for our salvation is the same faith we exercise throughout our lives as He works out His good and perfect will in us.
 

RestInHim

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Thank you Adrian, that means more than you know. I worry that I joke too much, talk too much, focus on politics and current affairs too much especially by making light of some serious stuff, or get too serious at times or too close to someones comfort zone at times and once it's out there, I worry. Especially about accidentally hurting someone, by getting too close to their sore spots. And even when I try to be quiet I can only do that for so long.
Athenasius, you are beautiful sister in Christ! I understand how you feel, sometimes I feel the same and although of course we should be careful we must not be so hard on ourselves either. I think it is good to have a lighter side at times. As I struggle with chronic pain and so many other things, I know how important it is to be thankful for this life God has given me, so much to be thankful for and because He is still giving me breath I will not let Satan take away the joy of what God has given me. So, yes, we can and should make light of some serious stuff at times. But, I do understand that we also need to be careful, for we need to also be serious at times also.

I've not seen anything wrong in all the time I've been here with how you've expressed yourself. I've seen a sister who has encouraged and who is well grounded in the word and who loves the Lord and His people and for that I am thankful. If in the Body of Christ we are hurt or offended we should I believe learn to show grace at times because we are human after all and we all have hurt and offended in our sinful flesh. Love covers a multitude of sins. But, as I said, I believe we can discern when someone's heart is not right and is not walking with the Lord. I don't see this in you at all or else you wouldn't even have expressed this concern with yourself.

May the Lord continue to perfect you according to His will my sister and let's give thanks to Him for His grace and mercy and His goodness.

All the glory to Him
 

Everlasting Life

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Thank you Adrian, that means more than you know. I worry that I joke too much, talk too much, focus on politics and current affairs too much especially by making light of some serious stuff, or get too serious at times or too close to someones comfort zone at times and once it's out there, I worry. Especially about accidentally hurting someone, by getting too close to their sore spots. And even when I try to be quiet I can only do that for so long.
I would not worry about this. Perhaps just trust that God will let you know if there is a problem. You've never been out of line from what I've seen here, but rather quite helpful and always careful to be kind. :)


:hug
 

Amethyst

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Thank you Adrian, that means more than you know. I worry that I joke too much, talk too much, focus on politics and current affairs too much especially by making light of some serious stuff, or get too serious at times or too close to someones comfort zone at times and once it's out there, I worry. Especially about accidentally hurting someone, by getting too close to their sore spots. And even when I try to be quiet I can only do that for so long.
I agree with the other ladies. :hug You're a true blessing.
 
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