“The Chosen” Fiction

[soundingthealarm]

Really good thoughts.

It reminds me of the times that pastors and teachers get stuck in the rut of preaching and teaching from commentaries and or the latest best seller rather than scripture. David Hocking (of the Calvary Chapels) has said in many of his teaching series that having all of the books and commentaries on his shelves (thousands) over the years made him realize that they truly don't help him understand the Bible but rather the Bible helps him understand them (my paraphrase). And hearing that always comes across to me as a solid view on ANYTHING extra-biblical.

You've expressed that idea in very well thought out fashion. Thank you!

My take on stuff like the Chosen is it's little better than graffiti. I love the dramatized audio series of Left Behind but still understand that it is simply graffiti that appeals to me. I do my best to not have it influence or inform my understandings from scripture. However, LaHaye and Jenkins did a fantastic job with that, and sought much counsel as they proceeded with their series.

That said, The Chosen wandered into heretical territory from the get-go. We didn't last a single episode before being repulsed by some of the obviously poor representations. Peter was soyboy.

As soon as I heard it was in partnership and worked together with Mormons it was an instant red flag, knew it was Ecumenical, much like a city wide "interfaith" event ...that I'd never attend to join in on asking for "a God" or "your god" or "all gods" to bless our community.

If you claim it IS The Biblical Jesus but it's also the Mormon Jesus by my accounting PLUS ONE MINUS ONE = ZERO Biblical Jesus

IS it emotional, feel good, touching, heart warming, stirring? I'm sure hugely so BUT none of those things are to be a guide or an endorsement but we are to be "led by the Holy Spirit" who was sent to testify NOT of Himself but of The Word become flesh and YET we are being told its ok if they don't adhere to THE WORD!!

What could possibly go wrong? "take heed and let no man deceive you" maybe mass deception?

Not trying to be holier than thou/legalistic/condescending this isn't about watching R rated movie or something where one glass house judges another glass house

This is about JESUS CHRIST the Son of the Living God being proclaimed and yet announced its NOT 100 percent Biblical NO HARM NO FOUL, DRINK AND EAT IT UP

 

[Jan51]

Thinking about Dallas's claim that God told him, "I won't let you screw this up."

First, when anyone says "God told me," I doubt that. There is no reason I should believe that just because someone claims it. How can I really know their message was from God? God spoke to us through the Bible, which can be objectively validated and is without error. The Bible says not to add to Scripture, so no, God probably didn't tell him.

Second, what God "told" him is unbiblical. Nowhere does the Bible teach or demonstrate that God will keep us from messing up or from sinning.

He may be getting messages from someone, but it isn't God.

 

[athenasius]

Mormons = different Jesus NOT our Jesus!

NAR or New Apostolic Reformation is a heretical sect that is influencing modern Christianity for the worse and this show has ties to that as well. It's how Dallas can explain that God told him he couldn't screw it up. That's straight out of the NAR playbook. Explain away your new twist on Christianity by saying God told you.

Just because someone comes from a godly lineage and has the best of intentions, as Dallas Jenkins is, doesn't make up for scriptural illiteracy or lack of discernment.


@Jan51 had 3 consecutive replies on another thread referenced above thread that are HIGHLY important and very valuable when evaluating this series.

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843548743

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843549308

and

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843549309

which if I got the links right are well worth taking the time to read.

This reminds me of the "Touched by an Angel" series which was used to fuzzy up people's thinking about God and create a "good works/good people go to heaven" type of theology. That was a beautiful example of Satan planting his seeds in Christians who aren't well grounded in the Bible and who were ripe for a feel good, do good, God loves you anyway message that winked at unbelief and erased the need for personal salvation. Not to mention the poor unsaved person led away from being saved by assuring them, they are fine and God will accept them without any conditions.

Ignoring the need for salvation.

The best lies of Satan are the ones that subtly replace what God said with something close to it and blind people to the truth by creating a tiny little change.

And THOSE are the hardest ones to combat, because they sound good. Reminds me of The Shack, when that book came out and blew across the landscape carrying many Christians away including a good friend of mine. She evaluated it based on how it made her feel. Totally wrong, and led her off into a lot of unscriptural other stuff.

 

[soundingthealarm]

Mormons = different Jesus NOT our Jesus!

NAR or New Apostolic Reformation is a heretical sect that is influencing modern Christianity for the worse and this show has ties to that as well. It's how Dallas can explain that God told him he couldn't screw it up. That's straight out of the NAR playbook. Explain away your new twist on Christianity by saying God told you.

Just because someone comes from a godly lineage and has the best of intentions, as Dallas Jenkins is, doesn't make up for scriptural illiteracy or lack of discernment.


@Jan51 had 3 consecutive replies on another thread referenced above thread that are HIGHLY important and very valuable when evaluating this series.

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843548743

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843549308

and

https://www.raptureforums.com/forums/threads/the-chosen-tv-show.177740/page-4#post-843549309

which if I got the links right are well worth taking the time to read.

This reminds me of the "Touched by an Angel" series which was used to fuzzy up people's thinking about God and create a "good works/good people go to heaven" type of theology. That was a beautiful example of Satan planting his seeds in Christians who aren't well grounded in the Bible and who were ripe for a feel good, do good, God loves you anyway message that winked at unbelief and erased the need for personal salvation. Not to mention the poor unsaved person led away from being saved by assuring them, they are fine and God will accept them without any conditions.

Ignoring the need for salvation.

The best lies of Satan are the ones that subtly replace what God said with something close to it and blind people to the truth by creating a tiny little change.

And THOSE are the hardest ones to combat, because they sound good. Reminds me of The Shack, when that book came out and blew across the landscape carrying many Christians away including a good friend of mine. She evaluated it based on how it made her feel. Totally wrong, and led her off into a lot of unscriptural other stuff.

I live in the "Bible Belt" in the USA and I work in an office with fellow "Christians" and they love the Shack, They Love the Chosen, They Love THEIR huge seeker friendly church, they love Joel Osteen, They love Rick Warren and no matter how many emails I send out warning or alerting or pleading or suggesting to beware of. It just doesn't seem to resonate whatsoever. Eschatology seems like a foreign concept and yet we will have talks about it and they will be so interested but "not in our lifetime" or "preachers been saying Jesus coming back for 2,000 years."

If it wasn't for Rapture Forums and other ministries to listen to, I'd feel like a total oddball. And again I live and work in what is known as The Bible Belt.

Just give me my Starbucks, tell me how beautiful the Lord says I am, and how to live my best life now!!

tell me how to be blessed on the Titanic < THE LIFE BOAT!!!!

 

[Amethyst]

I work in an office with fellow "Christians" and they love the Shack, They Love the Chosen, They Love THEIR huge seeker friendly church, they love Joel Osteen, They love Rick Warren

Gross, gross, gross

The way apparently the Chosen treats John the Baptist, ie. “creepy John” reminds me of how the Shack treats the Holy Spirit (blasphemously) and “hippie” childish Jesus.
Unreadable and unwatchable.

These people like this stuff Bc they don’t read their bibles.

 

[Dave123]

The writers and producers of The Chosen have recently hit on something that Hollywood and the Left have known for a while, now. They have discovered the power of emotion. The Left figured out that they can get people on board with their agenda through the use of drama, comedy and music. Emotions are powerful things. The Chosen has a strong emotional impact. It is not surprising given their target audience is women aged 25-54. I have noted that the lion's share of those who defend The Chosen so passionately are women. The strong emotional impact it makes causes people to look past the theological errors and heresies it contains, not to mention the strong Mormon connection. Emotions can dull your discernment and that has definitely happened with The Chosen. It's power of deception lies in its emotional draw.

 

[Amethyst]

The strong emotional impact it makes causes people to look past the theological errors and heresies it contains

Off topic, but I think it's the same rationale for affairs and God "wanting me to be happy" with another man. Something that 'feels' so good can't be wrong.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

It appears that the writer/director of this series
has chosen an opinion contrary to the Bible, that
equates heresy.

 

[DelmaLeon]

So they want you to believe that Phillip and Andrew started a violent riot in the Decapolis that has left thousands displaced (refugees) and that Jesus tells John to wait for Simon Peter because this mission can not succeed without him. Simon Peter has been away because he’s upset at Jesus for allowing his wife to miscarry their baby while he was gone out on the two by two mission. And that’s how we end up with Jesus feeding the 4000.
And before all this takes place some of the disciples are the ones who bring the woman with the issue of blood that touched the hem of his garment. Where does it even remotely imply that in scripture?
This show is off the charts heretical now. The first season wasn’t quite so bad but now…. It’s so unbiblical in its telling of Biblical events.
(Apologies to any of the grammar police on here. As you can tell grammar wasn’t my best subject in school )

 

[Eyes on the Prize]

I have not watched the chosen and I don't have the time to read the entire the entire article today.
Can someone explain what is happening with the character of Jesus?
I have friends that watch and enjoy the show. It's on my list to watch, but perhaps I won't.
Thanks

He's represented as entirely human, a sort of politician who has to rehearse before speaking to the crowds and gets continual input on what to say and do from Matthew, His handler.

 

[Eyes on the Prize]

Good article, I frankly had no idea how much change Scriptures go through in order to become a movie. I was extremely irritated by Google ads for the Chosen showing Jesus saying, "I'm hewe to stawt a wevolution." Cringe! Trying to make Him woke was so obviously manipulative. I'll never watch the Chosen just because of the dozens and dozens of times I tried to "Skip Ad" before I had to hear the cringe words. (I used to watch a lot of Youtube).

 

[LoudRam]

My wife enjoys this series. Me, I'm not watching it. I'm the one who is always suspicious of popular movies or shows about Christ. I love Christian movies like Fireproof, War Room, God's not Dead 2 (didn't see 1). When I tried to warn her about it she gets mad at me and says that I'm ruining it for her. She knows it's only a show so I make sure I remind her of that, it's a show, loosely based on the Bible, enjoy it as such and nothing more.

On the positive side it's brought her oldest sister back to an interest in Church and God and she's opening up to my wife which she has never done in the past. She was supposedly saved in college through Campus Crusade but it didn't go far. That was long before I knew her.

So for all it's faults, and I know there's a few, some good is coming from it in this family.

 

[ozaprah]

He's represented as entirely human, a sort of politician who has to rehearse before speaking to the crowds and gets continual input on what to say and do from Matthew, His handler.

Say what??... heals the sick, feeds the five thousand and walks on water. And YOU say he's represented in the series as entirely human huh...
I get it, you don't have to like the series, but lets at least play fair now.
Oh, BTW, he was fully man, and fully God. Philippians 2: 5-11 amongst many other verses.

 

[Follower]

This reminds me of the "Touched by an Angel" series which was used to fuzzy up people's thinking about God and create a "good works/good people go to heaven" type of theology. That was a beautiful example of Satan planting his seeds in Christians who aren't well grounded in the Bible and who were ripe for a feel good, do good, God loves you anyway message that winked at unbelief and erased the need for personal salvation. Not to mention the poor unsaved person led away from being saved by assuring them, they are fine and God will accept them without any conditions.

Ignoring the need for salvation.

The best lies of Satan are the ones that subtly replace what God said with something close to it and blind people to the truth by creating a tiny little change.

Exactly! It my house Touched by an Angel was called "Touched by an Anathema" which was followed by quoting Galatians 1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. (ASV)

 

[TimeWarpWife]

I saw a commercial for this series on TV last week and it was the first I'd heard of it. I did watch the first episode, but I felt uncomfortable the entire time. Again, my gut ~ just like the first time I saw and heard about Ukraine's Zelensky ~ was telling me something wasn't "right" about it. I did a little digging and when I found out that Mormons were involved with it, that's all I needed to confirm that it's not something I'm going to continue watching. The comments in this thread have also reassured me that I made the right decision.

 

[lismore]

Good read, and its rare I will watch any “biblical” movie, mainly based on the points presented in this article. I watched the first few episodes of the Chosen, then stopped when it was very clear they were adding to scripture.

That's a subtle form of deception. People are being entertained and relaxed and don't realise they're being led ever so slowly down the garden path. God Bless

 

[athenasius]

Just saw an interesting thing on the actor who plays Jesus in the Chosen, as well as starring in the new Jesus Revolution movie. Not only is he a Catholic but also a mystic who lay down beside the grave of the main character of Lonnie Frisbee in the Jesus Revolution movie, in order to pick up something useful from Lonnie's grave. Lonnie was a disgraced part of the Jesus movement. He feels "god" gave him something after praying the rosary lying there.

NOT a person who should be playing Jesus in any capacity.

The practice of lying down on a grave is strictly forbidden although Bethel Redding has no problem with "grave soaking" and Benny Hinn (a terrible false prophet) apparently lay on Kathryn Kuhlman's grave (another false teacher).

-- see Deut 18:10-12
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

or Isaiah 8:19-20
19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

Of course these passages also apply to praying to dead saints which is another Catholic practice forbidden by Scripture. Just an interesting side note to the discussion of "chosen".

 

[lightofmylife]

Just saw an interesting thing on the actor who plays Jesus in the Chosen, as well as starring in the new Jesus Revolution movie. Not only is he a Catholic but also a mystic who lay down beside the grave of the main character of Lonnie Frisbee in the Jesus Revolution movie, in order to pick up something useful from Lonnie's grave. Lonnie was a disgraced part of the Jesus movement. He feels "god" gave him something after praying the rosary lying there.

NOT a person who should be playing Jesus in any capacity.

The practice of lying down on a grave is strictly forbidden although Bethel Redding has no problem with "grave soaking" and Benny Hinn (a terrible false prophet) apparently lay on Kathryn Kuhlman's grave (another false teacher).

-- see Deut 18:10-12
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

or Isaiah 8:19-20
19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

Of course these passages also apply to praying to dead saints which is another Catholic practice forbidden by Scripture. Just an interesting side note to the discussion of "chosen".

Margery, have you seen the Jesus Revolution movie? I watch hischannel which Chuck Smith was on before he passed away. No one is talking about how great the movie is or what they thought of it.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Margery, have you seen the Jesus Revolution movie? I watch hischannel which Chuck Smith was on before he passed away. No one is talking about how great the movie is or what they thought of it.

Many left Calvary Chapel after Chucks failed timing of Christ return in 1981.
I mention this because for some reason it seems to almost always get overlooked.
Kinda of a big deal to go against the Scriptures within that magnitude. It caused alot of problems at the time within Calvary Chapel.

 

[lightofmylife]

Many left Calvary Chapel after Chucks failed timing of Christ return in 1981.
I mention this because for some reason it seems to almost always get overlooked.
Kinda of a big deal to go against the Scriptures in that magnitude. It cause alot of problems at the time within Calvary Chapel.

I didn't know that Chuck set a rapture year. Thanks for telling me I didn't watch him back then. I can't believe anyone would do that when scripture says not even knows only the Father. Someone like Harold Camping I can understand.