The Beast Carries the Woman

[Hidden]

I was reading Rev. 17 when a word jumped out at me:

"But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her." (Rev. 17:7)

We're familiar with the fact that the woman rides the beast (verse 3). But in this particular verse the focus shifts to the action being done by the beast, which is that of carrying the woman. The act of carrying something means exerting an effort, and I think this represents the government carrying or enabling those who want a New World Order.

In Genesis 11, we read of people expressing their desire to build a tower instead of dispersing, living peaceably, and filling the earth. They're the malcontents who comprised Babylon, the woman. And they wouldn't have been able to build the tower without the leadership of the mighty hunter Nimrod. He wasthe enabler that enabled them to accomplish their goal of building the tower. Interestingly, the phrase "mighty hunter" in Hebrew is "gibbor sayid". The arabic of gibbor according to Biblehub could mean "tyrant". You can't have a tyrannical system without a tyrannical leader that does the bidding of the people who want a more tyrannical world order.

People = woman/Babylon
Beast = their leader

In Egypt, there's the pharoah (beast) and the magicians (woman). In Neo-Babylon, there's Nebuchadnezzar (beast), and "the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans." (woman) (Daniel 2:2) In Medo-Persia, there's the king (beast) the satraps (woman).

In our time, there's the marxists, socialists, globalists, etc. who make all sorts of noise and political maneuverings to bring about the New World Order. But they lack one thing at the moment: The arrival of the beast who will carry them and will help them establish their NWO goals.

 

[daygo]

I think Hidden that the beast allows the woman for a time to have a owr, one that's different to the ones at present including the Muslim religion, how, in what way haven't the foggiest yet.

 

[Tall Timbers]

The arrival of the beast who will carry them and will help them establish their NWO goals.

The global govmint in some form precedes the official arrival of the beast.

 

[Hidden]

I think Hidden that the beast allows the woman for a time to have a owr, one that's different to the ones at present including the Muslim religion, how, in what way haven't the foggiest yet.

I agree, daygo. We're hearing bits and pieces of it such as them listening to the AI delivering its "sermon". How ridiculous. I think it will be a mishmash of New Age, RCC, Islam, Apostate Christianity, and wokeism.

And the beast will allow them to flourish for a time. And then will destroy her, together with the 10 kings, according to Rev. 17:16-17.

 

[Hidden]

The global govmint in some form precedes the official arrival of the beast.

I agree. The 7th mountain or king is the NWO. So there will be a NWO of sorts before the official arrival of the AC.

But Rev. 17 gives us the woman and the beast (the 8th king or the AC) in their final form, and that's what I'm referring to here.

 

[Wally]

That is what the world is missing right now, a dynamic, galvanizing, leader.

There is brutal oppression, tyrants, but none of them have an appeal to the world.

islam is constantly in the face of everyone. Its oppressive and cruel. People will grow weary of it.
The Iranian protest aren't so much about islam, but the cruel dogmatic oppression of the religious leaders.

Yet in the shadow is the collective power, the control that men want to possess.
satan cannot tolerate that.
he wants that control. he wants rule and worship.
And he will destroy anyone who does not kowtow to his authority.... or try to in the case of trib believers and Israel.

Somehow I expect turmoil to get worse in every country. Division will grow and EVERYONE will be looking for this person.

Someone who can unite military power with such charisma, who can foster devotion and in effect blindside much of the world into following his every word.
I expect it will actually look pretty good to a world hungry for peace and safety....

until the mask and gloves come off, and and later an Angel and 2 prophets proclaims the ultimate reality check....

 

[wanderingfreeman]

It I think Hidden that the beast allows the woman for a time to have a owr, one that's different to the ones at present including the Muslim religion, how, in what way haven't the foggiest yet.

Imo? chrislam. Jmo ymmv

 

[DWB]

The only thing missing is the Rapture. Then the rest will quickly follow.

 

[Everlasting Life]

Interesting thread and discussion in our exciting times.

I've been doing some reading lately about this and as I'm understanding in reading scripture, the Beast (from God's perspective) is a governing body or framework....a kingdom/government (I'm thinking of Daniel, the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream and also chapters 7-8). The horns (leaders or kings) will have power or authority within the beast (kingdom/government, empire), in order to support this beast (kingdom/government, empire - often in the bible mountains represent kingdoms...such as in Daniel), with the woman (harlot connected to a great city) being a false religious system (connected to or stemmed out of, or perhaps the culmination of the original Babylon religious system - Mother of Harlots).

As I was thinking about this, a possible example of this pattern or type came to mind, Russia (just looking at a very general example here ). Putin (a horn of power, leader) is at the helm of a beast (governing body of Russia) and by his power as a leader (horn) in conjunction with the governing body (beast), they support or carry a religious system, the Russian Orthodox (a harlot and offshoot of RCC). She can only function in this type of enabling relationship (so long as it serves the purpose of Putin (a horn, leader with power) who has authority over and in conjunction with the governing body (a beast). Eventually those horns (leaders, kings) and beast (kingdom/government, empire) in Revelation will throw off the woman in Revelation (Mother of Harlots), attacking her and it sounds like destroying her (by God's design.....I wonder if there will finally be a great division or butting of heads in a power struggle of some sort).

In Revelation, someone in Putin's position would actually be one of the horns (leaders, kings) supporting a world governing system (the Beast)....an example here could be something similar to an empowered U.N. Of course there would need to be a governing position, or position of power over this world governing system and that's where this little horn (leader, king) may come in, the antichrist.

I'm starting to wonder if this beast will be more like a kingdom or empire with the little horn ascribing to himself the position of king. This in conjunction to also wanting to be worshipped flies in the face of Jesus Christ, the only one who is King of kings and also God, who alone is to be worshiped. Thus the destruction of the antichrist is fully merited.

I also wonder if the resumption of Israel's last 'week' as described in Daniel also starts a resumption of kingdom/empire type of governance as was in the days of Israel. Empires and kingdoms utilize rule of kings rather than Democracies.

 

[wanderingfreeman]

I thought Russians were eastern orthodox. Now I have to check.
Edit to add. Most are Russian Orthodox which is an offshoot of Eastern Orthodox

 

[Everlasting Life]

As I'm understanding (others most likely know more on this) that Eastern Orthodox was part of the RCC but became more independent when the great schism happened, much later after the Roman empire collapsed and in essence split into an East/West government and later a religious divide (2 legs of Nebuchadnezzer's dream about the statue in Daniel). So, Eastern and Russian Othodoxes are offshoots of the RCC (I welcome any corrections). Sorry for the confusion, I've changed the name in my post. Thanks for your help.

By the the way...just using Russia as an example, not plopping into any specific prophecy.

 

[Wally]

I have thought one of the most powerful tools the beast will have is information.

Not computer dumps of data,

no, I'm thinking an imitation of God's Omnipotence.

How does the ac do it? Demonic reports. They will see, hear and report all to the beast. he will have all the dirt on every leader. he'll have inside information, know who he holds sway over, know the obedient from the disobedient. he'll know each one's sweet tooth, and play everyone as a fool.

And if someone steps out of line, or doesn't want to play, ... accidents will happen.

 

[SJ129]

I have thought one of the most powerful tools the beast will have is information.

Not computer dumps of data,

no, I'm thinking an imitation of God's Omnipotence.

How does the ac do it? Demonic reports. They will see, hear and report all to the beast. he will have all the dirt on every leader. he'll have inside information, know who he holds sway over, know the obedient from the disobedient. he'll know each one's sweet tooth, and play everyone as a fool.

And if someone steps out of line, or doesn't want to play, ... accidents will happen.

Enter AI “Jesus”, “digital passports” and social credit scores…

 

[daygo]

Imo? chrislam. Jmo ymmv

It's possible but myself can't see it, mainly imo muslim religion completely destroyed at ezekiel war, Christians no because imo they'll be hunted in the entire tribulation so it has to be a religion that nobody today knows of eg. Variation of new age, something linked to babylon exactly haven't a clue but it is surely very interesting.

 

[wanderingfreeman]

I am not sure islam will be destroyed during the Ezekiel 38 war. Will Indonesia and Malaysia be destroyed? Morocco? Chad? I could be wrong and definitely wouldn't mind being wrong. As for the Christians, real Christians Will be raptured or hunted but millions of christians in name only will still be here. The remnants of those groups could decide they actually are "people of the Book" and combine. I don't know but it is an interesting thought. Jmo ymmv

 

[Hidden]

Eventually those horns (leaders, kings) and beast (kingdom/government, empire) in Revelation will throw off the woman in Revelation (Mother of Harlots), attacking her and it sounds like destroying her (by God's design.....I wonder if there will finally be a great division or butting of heads in a power struggle of some sort).

Bingo. The beast and the 10 horns will throw her under the bus towards the end of the trib. It seems the beast and the 10 kings are only interested in gaining power through her influence. Early on they will have a symbotic and mutually beneficial relationship. The woman achieves her goals by using the beast to "carry" her. You're right in saying that the beast represents the government/political power. The woman embodies the the femine aspects of humanity: religion, arts, self-indulgence.

 

[daygo]

I am not sure islam will be destroyed during the Ezekiel 38 war. Will Indonesia and Malaysia be destroyed? Morocco? Chad? I could be wrong and definitely wouldn't mind being wrong. As for the Christians, real Christians Will be raptured or hunted but millions of christians in name only will still be here. The remnants of those groups could decide they actually are "people of the Book" and combine. I don't know but it is an interesting thought. Jmo ymmv

Know what you mean, I think indeed they will be destroyed in those countries far fetched I know but God will rain down fire in those countries as in the coastlands, if that does happen then its easy for that to happen, as always can be wrong not dogmatic about this.

 

[wanderingfreeman]

Know what you mean, I think indeed they will be destroyed in those countries far fetched I know but God will rain down fire in those countries as in the coastlands, if that does happen then its easy for that to happen, as always can be wrong not dogmatic about this.

Same here. No dog in that fight. God's will be done

 

[athenasius]

As I'm understanding (others most likely know more on this) that Eastern Orthodox was part of the RCC but became more independent when the great schism happened, much later after the Roman empire collapsed and in essence split into an East/West government and later a religious divide (2 legs of Nebuchadnezzer's dream about the statue in Daniel). So, Eastern and Russian Othodoxes are offshoots of the RCC (I welcome any corrections). Sorry for the confusion, I've changed the name in my post. Thanks for your help.

By the the way...just using Russia as an example, not plopping into any specific prophecy.

You are mostly right. Just that the Eastern Orthodox are not offshoots of Rome, they are the descendants of the original churches in Asia Minor now known as Turkey.

The Great Schism was the final divide between the Eastern Orthodox church and the Western Catholic church in 1054 when the Pope of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other. It was the final act in a long number of splits between the 2 from the very earliest days of the church.

They are more like a tree split down the middle to the very root that grows separate tree trunks off one root. Western Christianity had the Reformation. Eastern Christianity didn't. The Eastern Christian churches include the Marionites, the Coptics and the Orthodox as the main 3.

The earliest church fathers were fuming with anger, writing about the bishop of Rome taking power over the other churches when Jerusalem was still in place before the expulsion by Rome in 70 AD.

The problem of Rome is interesting because the Roman church was pretty uneducated, but very proud of being Rome of the Roman Empire, and as the city Rome was the head of Rome, they felt they should be the head of the church, not Jerusalem which was led by James the brother of our Lord, and not any of the churches of Asia Minor (Turkey) founded by Paul and addressed by Jesus via John in Revelation written about 90 AD.

Paul wrote directly to the Romans in 56 or 57 AD shortly after Nero came to power. He was writing from Corinth on his 3rd missionary journey.

Paul does a lot of basic teaching in Romans and he is very clear on antisemitism which seems to be cropping up. Rome continued to have problems. It's been a while since I read the bits in the early church fathers but I clearly remember one of them speaking of one of the bishops of Rome AFTER JOHN'S death so this was around 100 AD or so. Apparently the bishop of that time said some stuff that (I think it was Irenaeus but I might be thinking of 2 separate instances) was furious about and said John would have tossed him out of the church for that.

Rome typically decided that it had supremacy over all the Empire very early on but the Empire split into 2 --the east and the west. That split was finalized in 385 AD and the Eastern side called Byzantium was dominant while the Western side known as Rome fell into chaos as the various invasions from illiterate gangs and tribes took place over the centuries.

The Roman church continued to make alliances with the invaders and kept it's religious dominance in the West while the East continued with a general orderly succession of power.

The Eastern side was headquartered in Constantinople, and the main cathedral and heart of the church was located there -- the Hagia Sophia was built as a headquarters for the church. The Syrian and Greek Orthodox churches had their own groups, but the big head overall was in the Byzantine Empire, located in the capital of Constantinople.

Since this side of the church was rooted in the churches of Asia Minor, and this was a big part of Paul's ministry and efforts they assumed that they, not Rome should have the final authority.

And it all came to a head when the 2 leaders (Rome vs Constantinople) excommed each other. https://www.britannica.com/event/East-West-Schism-1054

After that the western leg of the Empire even launched crusades in which they tried to sack Constantinople and rape and pillage the people. Popes will be popes! On their way to "liberate" Jerusalem from the Muslim hordes, a little stopover on the Bosphorus to rape and pillage some Christians, followed by the Jews in Jerusalem and everywhere while trying to boot the Muslims out of Jerusalem. Not a happy page in history books.

Things got worse just before Christopher Columbus sailed for America.

In 1453 AD the Ottoman Turkish Army broke thru and captured Constantinople. They had multiple assaults in the years leading up to the fall of the Eastern leg of the Empire, but the West refused to aid and assist the East.

So what happened next is that a flood of refugees came out. To the west (they settled in Rome and elsewhere bringing the ancient scrolls and library contents with them, launching the Renaissance) and to the north where back in 988 Byzantium (the name of the eastern leg of the Roman empire) sent missionaries north to Russia. So some fled to the mission outposts and new believers in Russia forming the Russian Orthodox church there.

The ones who went north, really established the Russian Orthodox church AND THE NAME TSAR which is a Russianized form of the word Caesar.

Much like Germany using the name Kaiser.

So now you can see how both eastern and western churches grew up alongside each other and kind of scary, how the name Caesar never really left the east or the west. Tsars and Kaisers were the long distant descendants in spirit if not in flesh of the ancient Roman Caesars.

And how both East and West have a similar problem with traditions linked to the really early churches which fossilized into the rock hard fortresses of tradition that created the Papacy and Roman Catholicism as well as the Patriarchs of the Eastern Orthodoxy.

Babylon invaded the church, and has never left.
Caesars continued to the first world war.

Israel came back to the land following that Balfour declaration that came about BECAUSE of the first world war.

I'm stunned at the way God has moved thru history to bring them back. God's timepiece. Eastern and Western legs of Rome. The church splintered as Babylon but remaining the single unified body of believers that are joined thru the Holy Spirit, and not thru denominational boundaries.

Back to the OP, @Hidden that is a wonderful insight.

So here's Babylon, here's the Caesars and here's the world getting ready for the final 7 years.

 

[Spartan Sprinter 1]

I agree. The 7th mountain or king is the NWO. So there will be a NWO of sorts before the official arrival of the AC.

But Rev. 17 gives us the woman and the beast (the 8th king or the AC) in their final form, and that's what I'm referring to here.

On a light sidenote do you remember the old wrestling group NWO lead by Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash Lol ?