Surprise! When U.S. Fighters Approach Iran, Russia Jams Their Signal

antitox

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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...approach-iran-russia-jams-their-signal-109456

What's the goal of this cooperation?

Key Point: Russia is using the Middle East as a testing ground for how it can interfere with American electronics.

Russian forces have been jamming GPS systems in the Middle East. The electronic-warfare campaign could affect U.S. forces gathering in the region in advance of potential strikes on Iran.

“Since last spring, pilots flying through the Middle East, specifically around Syria, have noted that their GPS systems have displayed the wrong location or stopped working entirely,” The Times of Israel reported in late June 2019.

The signal that has been disrupting satellite navigation for planes flying through Israeli airspace in recent weeks originates inside a Russian air base inside Syria, according to data collected by a U.S.-based researcher.
This interference to the Global Positioning System reception does not appear to be specifically directed at Israel, but rather the Jewish state is likely collateral damage in an effort by Moscow both to protect its troops from drone attacks and to assert its dominance in the field of electronic warfare, Todd Humphreys, a professor at the University of Texas, told The Times of Israel.
Israeli sources “are increasingly convinced” that three weeks of GPS disruptions for civilian flights are a side effect of Russian jamming and spoofing in Syria, Breaking Defense reported. “Moscow is trying to interfere with both Western airplanes — including cutting-edge stealthy F-22s and F-35s — and improvised terrorist drones.”

The U.S. Air Force starting in April 2019 has deployed F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, respectively, as part of a wider build-up of forces as Washington clashes with Tehran following U.S. president Donald Trump’s decision unilaterally to withdraw the United States from the agreement limiting Iran’s nuclear program.

Now, the situation is rife with rumor, with the Israeli government avoiding any official statement and still investigating other sources. But if Russia is indeed disrupting a friendly nation’s GPS by accident, why haven’t they stopped?

The answer may lie in the limits of Russian electronic warfare, which — while far more potent than U.S. military [electronic warfare] — still relies on raw power more than precise targeting.

The International Federation of Air Line Pilots’ Associations and Israeli Airports Authority in late June 2019 announced that many flights lost the GPS satellite signal while flying into or out of Ben Gurion International in Israel, Breaking Defense reported. There has been no risk to passengers, according to the IAA. The affected aircraft simply switched to backup systems.

“Intriguingly, ground-based GPS systems are unaffected,” Breaking Defense noted. “That makes the jamming of aviation GPS suspiciously specific — another sign that it’s not a simple glitch but some kind of electronic weapon. And the Russians have invested heavily in high-powered spoofing systems that send out false GPS signals up to 500 times stronger than the real ones, leading civilian navigators miles astray.”

Russia also has disrupted GPS in Europe.

“Scrambled GPS signals were first detected during NATO’s large-scale Trident Juncture exercises in Norway at the end of October [2018],” Defense News reported.

“Norway’s defense intelligence agency said it tracked the source of the signal-jamming to a Russian military base on the nearby, heavily fortified Kola Peninsula. Finland’s military intelligence said Norway’s analysis mirrors its own investigations and evaluations."

In late 2018 Finland and Norway both lodged complaints with Russia over the disruptions. “Defense and civil aviation chiefs in Finland and Norway warned that the GPS jamming posed a serious risk to both military and commercial aircraft using the affected airspace in the High North,” Defense News noted.

“Russia asked (us) to give proof. We gave them the proof,” Norwegian defense minister Frank Bakke-Jensen told Arctic Today. The proof consisted of measurements showing signals had been jammed.

“Russia said, ‘Thank you, we will come back when our experts review that,’” Bakke-Jensen said. “To have such an answer from Russia is a positive thing,” he said.

Bakke-Jensen implied the jamming was intentional. “They were exercising very close to the border and they knew this will affect areas on the other side,” Bakke-Jensen said of the Russians.

The U.S Army is planning to test jam-resistant GPS systems in Europe as a potential step toward countering Russian electronic warfare.

The Army’s 2nd Cavalry Regiment in Germany should get the new jam-resistant GPS by the end of 2019.
 

DanLMP

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“Russia asked (us) to give proof. We gave them the proof,” Norwegian defense minister Frank Bakke-Jensen told Arctic Today. The proof consisted of measurements showing signals had been jammed.

“Russia said, ‘Thank you, we will come back when our experts review that,’” Bakke-Jensen said. “To have such an answer from Russia is a positive thing,” he said

????!!!!

You don't give them proof!! This is not a court of law. Giving them proof also informs them of what counter measures they need so they can disguise their signal better. :gaah
 

athenasius

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I don't believe there is any truth to the bolded statement.
Neither do G and I. We agree.
The U.S Army is planning to test jam-resistant GPS systems in Europe as a potential step toward countering Russian electronic warfare.

The Army’s 2nd Cavalry Regiment in Germany should get the new jam-resistant GPS by the end of 2019.

I expect that got fast tracked, and is being tested in action now.

George and I were talking about this last night, for an example from the past-- That jet pilot Viktor Velenko that took out a Mig 25 (Foxbat as the Americans called it) in 1976 had a lot to say about the much touted Mig 25 P. It was supposed to be capable to Mach 3 but in actual fact the engines burnt out after Mach 1.5 even though some Americans did see some going at 1.8 I think G said. But in the West, everyone was saying it could do Mach 3! And being all alarmed

True to form, Russia ALWAYS over promises (Propaganda) and in real life, under performs. Their records of catastrophic failures range from jet engines, to apartment buildings collapsing in use, to regular passenger airlines with terrible safety to their lamentably bad efforts at exporting cars (anyone remember the LADA?) on to the recent nuclear accidents (1 in July, 1 in August) or just Chernobyl.

The common theme is their desire to appear more deadly than they are. Their pressure on their R&D teams that result in bad designs leading to failure. Their bad habits of appointing people in charge of factories that are known for their ability to suck up to whoever is in charge rather than any technical expertise.

There are bound to be flaws and weaknesses in any Russian system that you can drive buses through. It's just who they are.

Meanwhile with you and others G and I are praying for the American pilots, and the Israelis that they would have a bubble of safety from God, quite apart from any tech.
 
Neither do G and I. We agree.


I expect that got fast tracked, and is being tested in action now.

George and I were talking about this last night, for an example from the past-- That jet pilot Viktor Velenko that took out a Mig 25 (Foxbat as the Americans called it) in 1976 had a lot to say about the much touted Mig 25 P. It was supposed to be capable to Mach 3 but in actual fact the engines burnt out after Mach 1.5 even though some Americans did see some going at 1.8 I think G said. But in the West, everyone was saying it could do Mach 3! And being all alarmed

True to form, Russia ALWAYS over promises (Propaganda) and in real life, under performs. Their records of catastrophic failures range from jet engines, to apartment buildings collapsing in use, to regular passenger airlines with terrible safety to their lamentably bad efforts at exporting cars (anyone remember the LADA?) on to the recent nuclear accidents (1 in July, 1 in August) or just Chernobyl.

The common theme is their desire to appear more deadly than they are. Their pressure on their R&D teams that result in bad designs leading to failure. Their bad habits of appointing people in charge of factories that are known for their ability to suck up to whoever is in charge rather than any technical expertise.

There are bound to be flaws and weaknesses in any Russian system that you can drive buses through. It's just who they are.

Meanwhile with you and others G and I are praying for the American pilots, and the Israelis that they would have a bubble of safety from God, quite apart from any tech.

Yeah...just look at the lovely job they did on the housing for the athletes when they hosted the Olympic Games last time. -_-
 

antitox

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Neither do G and I. We agree.


I expect that got fast tracked, and is being tested in action now.

George and I were talking about this last night, for an example from the past-- That jet pilot Viktor Velenko that took out a Mig 25 (Foxbat as the Americans called it) in 1976 had a lot to say about the much touted Mig 25 P. It was supposed to be capable to Mach 3 but in actual fact the engines burnt out after Mach 1.5 even though some Americans did see some going at 1.8 I think G said. But in the West, everyone was saying it could do Mach 3! And being all alarmed

True to form, Russia ALWAYS over promises (Propaganda) and in real life, under performs. Their records of catastrophic failures range from jet engines, to apartment buildings collapsing in use, to regular passenger airlines with terrible safety to their lamentably bad efforts at exporting cars (anyone remember the LADA?) on to the recent nuclear accidents (1 in July, 1 in August) or just Chernobyl.

The common theme is their desire to appear more deadly than they are. Their pressure on their R&D teams that result in bad designs leading to failure. Their bad habits of appointing people in charge of factories that are known for their ability to suck up to whoever is in charge rather than any technical expertise.

There are bound to be flaws and weaknesses in any Russian system that you can drive buses through. It's just who they are.

Meanwhile with you and others G and I are praying for the American pilots, and the Israelis that they would have a bubble of safety from God, quite apart from any tech.

Original intent for touting the MiG-25 speed was because we were using the SR-71 in those days and they were trying to get something to pose a threat to the Blackbird. It was said back then that when a Blackbird was detected in their airspace or near it that they would rush the Foxbat for intercept, but as you know, they couldn't get to it - they were maxing their engines out. There was so much disinformation regarding these things; it was their game all the time. And everyone was aware that while we were developing and incorporating flight software for our aircraft, they were still using linkage for years on. They had to train their pilots excessively to keep up with flight capability to make up for it whereas we were improving our flight systems. I don't know how far they have come at this point with all of that - I haven't been keeping up with it nowadays.
 
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