Supreme Court should take more 2A cases

Kenny64

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ourt-should-take-more-second-amendment-cases/

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Gun owners were disappointed Monday when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take perhaps the highest-profile Second Amendment case in the country right now: Peruta v. California.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch share those gun owners’ disappointment, declaring the need for the nation’s highest court to require adherence to its Second Amendment precedents.

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The Supreme Court has only decided two cases on the right to keep and bear arms: D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. Both involved a law-abiding citizen seeking a handgun in his home for personal protection.


Peruta took a logical next step, involving an elderly law-abiding citizen who wanted the opportunity to carry a handgun when he is outside the home, either concealed or openly. In an opinion written by Reagan conservative Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the gun owner, but then an 11-judge en banc panel of that court ruled against gun rights. Former Solicitor General Paul Clement petitioned the High Court for review, backed by the National Rifle Association.

After several weeks of relisting the case, the Supreme Court denied review. Justice Thomas published an opinion dissenting from that denial, joined by Justice Gorsuch.

“We should have granted certiorari in this case,” Justice Thomas began. “The approach taken by the en banc court is indefensible, and the petition raises important questions that this Court should address. I see no reason to await another case.”


Justice Thomas continued:

This Court has already suggested that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry firearms in public in some fashion,” As we explained in Heller, to bear arms means to wear, bear, or carry upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.

Referring to the original three-judge opinion, Justice Thomas added:

The relevant history appears to support this understanding, The panel opinion below pointed to a wealth of cases and secondary sources from England, the founding era, the antebellum period, and Reconstruction, which together strongly suggest that the right to bear arms includes the right to bear arms in public in some manner.

Several other appeals courts have ruled on this issue of open or concealed carry in public, reaching opposing conclusions. Normally the Supreme Court takes a case to resolve such “circuit splits.”

“The Court’s decision to deny certiorari in this case reflects a distressing trend: the treatment of the Second Amendment as a disfavored right,” Justice Thomas reasoned. “The Constitution does not rank certain rights above others, and I do not think this Court should impose such a hierarchy by selectively enforcing its preferred rights.”

Justices Thomas and Gorsuch conclude:


For those of us who work in marbled halls, guarded constantly by a vigilant and dedicated police force, the guarantees of the Second Amendment might seem antiquated and superfluous. But the Framers made a clear choice: They reserved to all Americans the right to bear arms for self-defense. I do not think we should stand by idly while a State denies its citizens that right, particularly when their very lives may depend on it….

The case was Peruta v. California, No. 16-894.
 

Kenny64

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How politically incorrect is this!?!


Lily. Great post. :thumbsup Not politically incorrect for me and millions of US citizens who are capable, pass background checks and are trained to carry a loaded firearm and react to
lethal force with good judgement. California talk....The counties’ interpretation of “good cause” is a focal point in this case. Both counties define “good cause” as requiring a particular need.

In upholding the counties’ restrictions, the district courts relied on the fact that, at that time, California permitted unloaded open carry of handguns under then Penal Code § 12031(g). Thus, the district courts found that the counties’ licensing schemes did not substantially burden the right to bear arms for self-defense. Peruta v. Cty. of San Diego, 758 F. Supp. 2d 1106, 1114 (S.D. Cal. 2010) (“As a practical matter, should the need for self-defense arise, nothing in section 12031 restricts the open carry of unloaded firearms and ammunition ready for instant loading.”); Really, Are you kidding me? Do criminals carry ANY firearm UNLOADED? so why should the public? Or You or Me?
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/peruta-v-california/ For those who care to read on the why many states in our FREE country decide you must have a "good reason" to carry other
than self defense and all lawful reason. In Maryland only other than police, undercover agents, people with a business purpose carrying sums of money, oh yea some of the general assembly carry.
So as for the rest of the public that are confronted with lethal force we must call 911 and wait on a policeman or sheriff to arrive. What is the difference between the speed of a 911 call and a bullet?
 

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How politically incorrect is this!?!


What refreshing common sense, intelligence and a clear understanding of the capacity of human nature to use government for evil purposes, let alone the capacity of human nature in general to cause havoc. How well Washington knew this to be true, for he himself fought for independence from just such a regime that abused and controlled their own people.

Do criminals carry ANY firearm UNLOADED? so why should the public? Or You or Me?
That's exactly the problem with gun control in a nutshell. Those of us who would actually follow the law, would basically be sitting ducks for the lawless who would continue to break the law and carry in any way they wanted.

More people die in gun restricted areas....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170508-story.html

As of Monday, at least 1,114 people have been shot in Chicago this year compared with 1,239 this time last year, according to Tribune data.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-and-bring-them-there/?utm_term=.35d844e34936

People also obtained guns other ways. A survey last year of inmates at Cook County Jail published in Preventive Medicine found that the Chicago-area inmates who spoke to researchers said they largely did not buy guns from gun stores store or steal their weapons. Instead, most of these people got their guns from people in their social networks. Some inmates said they had shared guns or held them for others.

Police in Chicago, who are confronting skyrocketing numbers of homicides this year, say they believe the spiking violent crime levels are largely due to repeat offenders with illegal guns.



Here's some positive stories about law abiding conceal carry people who stopped potential carnage in it's tracks, in a lot of cases mass shootings. Note that this is not mainstream news....they wouldn't want their 'narrative' to be disrupted, nor have the public see how many people have actually been protected by guns, quite a few. This site (below)is very long with story after story after story of people who were protected by those who had conceal carry licenses and guns, who basically stopped potential mass shootings in their tracks, believe it or not I've only share a few here.

There are news links to each story that can be validated. If it wasn't for people like these we would be hearing of mass shootings so much more in the news. As it is now, the only thing we seem to hear about in the main stream news are mass shootings, and then it's myopically focused on, without reporting the mass shootings that have actually been stopped with another *gasp* gun. As a result there is a very skewed political opinion on the subject of guns, but not based on all the information out there. Don't get me wrong, it is always sad when people die because of guns, but I think the truth is, there are als0 many people saved that we don't know about because of guns.

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

This past Friday, an Uber driver with a permitted concealed handgun stopped what likely would have been a mass public shooting. Police arrived on the scene quickly, but the Uber driver had still already taken care of the situation before they arrived. From Mitch Dudek in the Chicago Sun-Times (April 2015)

An Uber driver put his concealed carry permit to use Friday night when he pulled a gun and opened fire on a man he saw firing a pistol into a group of people on a Logan Square sidewalk, according to prosecutors.

[...]The 47-year-old Uber driver “was acting in self-defense and in the defense of others,” Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn said. . .



[...] Chicago, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:

A Gresham man fired on a group of people leaving a party, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said.

The military member and three others were leaving a party Friday night . . .


Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)

This attack was stopped before more than one person was killed. Yet, the police spokesman made it clear that the concealed handgun permit holder “prevented further loss of life” and that the killer was “shooting at the front door” at the customers who were fleeing the restaurant. The headline on the Dallas Morning News story was: “‘Hero’ stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say.”

...Another story in the Arlington Voice mentioned this:

“Had the Good Samaritan not intervened, there could have further loss of life,” Cook said.

Jones [the perpetrator] did not have a license to carry. . . .



[...] Just a couple of weeks after the Orlando massacre, man, 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson, started shooting at others at another nightclub. Fortunately, unlike Florida, permitted concealed handguns were allowed in bars in South Carolina. Before he could shoot a fourth person, the permit holder was able to shoot back, wounding Thompson in the leg.

“His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg,” Lt. Kevin Bobo said.

Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges. . . . .

Also this

and at least one South Carolina sheriff [is] crediting a man with a concealed carry permit with preventing further violence at a nightclub . . .



[...] Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen
A customer who fired back at the suspect who killed two people in a Ga. Highway 20 liquor store Sunday afternoon is being hailed as a hero.

Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said at a press conference Monday that Todd C. Scott, 44, a resident of Covington, very likely prevented other customers in the store from losing their lives.

Levett said store video from Magnet Bottle Shop showed that the suspect, Jeffrey Scott Pitts, 36, came in the store Sunday afternoon firing a handgun.

“I believe that if Mr. Scott did not return fire at the suspect then more of those customers would have hit by a gun,” said [Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett]. “It didn’t appear that he cared who he shot or where he was shooting until someone was shooting back at him. So in my opinion he saved other lives in that store.”



New Holland, South Carolina, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):

FOX Carolina 21: “CWPs likely stopped deaths of children, firefighters”
Firefighters said they may have stopped a massacre after a gunman surprised them at their station Tuesday.


The Aiken County Sheriff’s Office said deputies responded to the New Holland Fire Department’s Station 2 around 6:30 p.m. for a report of shots fired.

Firefighters said Chad Barker pulled up to the crowded fire station parking lot full of children and firefighters, got out of his car, and began firing in the air and at his vehicle. They say he also pointed the firearm at individual firefighters for lengthy periods of time.

“I came out of the office, saw the man with the gun, told everybody to leave out the back quickly that there was a man in the parking lot with a gun, and I was not kidding,” said Gary Knoll, a firefighter for New Holland.

Knoll said he and another firefighter who have concealed weapons permits pulled their guns on the gunman.

Knoll said Barker returned to his vehicle and firefighters carefully followed him with their weapons still drawn. After encouraging Barker to put the gun down, Knoll said Barker ultimately complied and Knoll grabbed the gun. . . .



Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 2015, NBC Channel 10:

A 40-year-old man was inside Falah Barber Shop Inc. on the 600 block of Preston Street shortly before 3 p.m. Sunday when police say he began fighting with another person inside. . . .

The fight quickly escalated and the 40-year-old man took out his gun and opened fire on customers and barbers, police said. , , ,

As he was shooting, another man outside heard the gunfire, ran into the shop and took out his own gun, according to investigators. He then opened fire, striking the 40-year-old man once in the chest. . . .

“The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier,” said Philadelphia Police Captain Frank Llewellyn. “He responded and I guess he saved a lot of people in there.
 
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Kenny64

Well-Known Member
What refreshing common sense, intelligence and a clear understanding of the capacity of human nature to use government for evil purposes, let alone the capacity of human nature in general to cause havoc. How well Washington knew this to be true, for he himself fought for independence from just such a regime that abused and controlled their own people.



That's exactly the problem with gun control in a nutshell. Those of us who would actually follow the law, would basically be sitting ducks for the lawless who would continue to break the law and carry in any way they wanted.

More people die in gun restricted areas....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170508-story.html

As of Monday, at least 1,114 people have been shot in Chicago this year compared with 1,239 this time last year, according to Tribune data.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-and-bring-them-there/?utm_term=.35d844e34936

People also obtained guns other ways. A survey last year of inmates at Cook County Jail published in Preventive Medicine found that the Chicago-area inmates who spoke to researchers said they largely did not buy guns from gun stores store or steal their weapons. Instead, most of these people got their guns from people in their social networks. Some inmates said they had shared guns or held them for others.

Police in Chicago, who are confronting skyrocketing numbers of homicides this year, say they believe the spiking violent crime levels are largely due to repeat offenders with illegal guns.



Here's some positive stories about law abiding conceal carry people who stopped potential carnage in it's tracks, in a lot of cases mass shootings. Note that this is not mainstream news....they wouldn't want their 'narrative' to be disrupted, nor have the public see how many people have actually been protected by guns, quite a few. This site (below)is very long with story after story after story of people who were protected by those who had conceal carry licenses and guns, who basically stopped potential mass shootings in their tracks, believe it or not I've only share a few here.

There are news links to each story that can be validated. If it wasn't for people like these we would be hearing of mass shootings so much more in the news. As it is now, the only thing we seem to hear about in the main stream news are mass shootings, and then it's myopically focused on, without reporting the mass shootings that have actually been stopped with another *gasp* gun. As a result there is a very skewed political opinion on the subject of guns, but not based on all the information out there. Don't get me wrong, it is always sad when people die because of guns, but I think the truth is, there are als0 many people saved that we don't know about because of guns.

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

This past Friday, an Uber driver with a permitted concealed handgun stopped what likely would have been a mass public shooting. Police arrived on the scene quickly, but the Uber driver had still already taken care of the situation before they arrived. From Mitch Dudek in the Chicago Sun-Times (April 2015)

An Uber driver put his concealed carry permit to use Friday night when he pulled a gun and opened fire on a man he saw firing a pistol into a group of people on a Logan Square sidewalk, according to prosecutors.

[...]The 47-year-old Uber driver “was acting in self-defense and in the defense of others,” Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn said. . .



[...] Chicago, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:

A Gresham man fired on a group of people leaving a party, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said.

The military member and three others were leaving a party Friday night . . .


Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)

This attack was stopped before more than one person was killed. Yet, the police spokesman made it clear that the concealed handgun permit holder “prevented further loss of life” and that the killer was “shooting at the front door” at the customers who were fleeing the restaurant. The headline on the Dallas Morning News story was: “‘Hero’ stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say.”

...Another story in the Arlington Voice mentioned this:

“Had the Good Samaritan not intervened, there could have further loss of life,” Cook said.

Jones [the perpetrator] did not have a license to carry. . . .



[...] Just a couple of weeks after the Orlando massacre, man, 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson, started shooting at others at another nightclub. Fortunately, unlike Florida, permitted concealed handguns were allowed in bars in South Carolina. Before he could shoot a fourth person, the permit holder was able to shoot back, wounding Thompson in the leg.

“His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg,” Lt. Kevin Bobo said.

Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges. . . . .

Also this

and at least one South Carolina sheriff [is] crediting a man with a concealed carry permit with preventing further violence at a nightclub . . .



[...] Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen
A customer who fired back at the suspect who killed two people in a Ga. Highway 20 liquor store Sunday afternoon is being hailed as a hero.

Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said at a press conference Monday that Todd C. Scott, 44, a resident of Covington, very likely prevented other customers in the store from losing their lives.

Levett said store video from Magnet Bottle Shop showed that the suspect, Jeffrey Scott Pitts, 36, came in the store Sunday afternoon firing a handgun.

“I believe that if Mr. Scott did not return fire at the suspect then more of those customers would have hit by a gun,” said [Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett]. “It didn’t appear that he cared who he shot or where he was shooting until someone was shooting back at him. So in my opinion he saved other lives in that store.”



New Holland, South Carolina, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):

FOX Carolina 21: “CWPs likely stopped deaths of children, firefighters”
Firefighters said they may have stopped a massacre after a gunman surprised them at their station Tuesday.


The Aiken County Sheriff’s Office said deputies responded to the New Holland Fire Department’s Station 2 around 6:30 p.m. for a report of shots fired.

Firefighters said Chad Barker pulled up to the crowded fire station parking lot full of children and firefighters, got out of his car, and began firing in the air and at his vehicle. They say he also pointed the firearm at individual firefighters for lengthy periods of time.

“I came out of the office, saw the man with the gun, told everybody to leave out the back quickly that there was a man in the parking lot with a gun, and I was not kidding,” said Gary Knoll, a firefighter for New Holland.

Knoll said he and another firefighter who have concealed weapons permits pulled their guns on the gunman.

Knoll said Barker returned to his vehicle and firefighters carefully followed him with their weapons still drawn. After encouraging Barker to put the gun down, Knoll said Barker ultimately complied and Knoll grabbed the gun. . . .



Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 2015, NBC Channel 10:

A 40-year-old man was inside Falah Barber Shop Inc. on the 600 block of Preston Street shortly before 3 p.m. Sunday when police say he began fighting with another person inside. . . .

The fight quickly escalated and the 40-year-old man took out his gun and opened fire on customers and barbers, police said. , , ,

As he was shooting, another man outside heard the gunfire, ran into the shop and took out his own gun, according to investigators. He then opened fire, striking the 40-year-old man once in the chest. . . .

“The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier,” said Philadelphia Police Captain Frank Llewellyn. “He responded and I guess he saved a lot of people in there.
:thumbsup & Great Post EL
 

Kenny64

Well-Known Member
I have always taken Luke 22:36 and Nehemiah 4:13 both great examples are God's disciples being armed in self defense. The other matter of killing someone in self defense to be
like Cain and Able story. Didn't Cain Kill able with a stone? In the field? This was done from jealousy and not self defense. So, It is a matter of where you heart is in the Lord
not be kill from evil reasoning. Thou shall not murder is the 5th commandment.
 

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http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article158965184.html

Federal judge blocks California ban on high-capacity magazines

A federal judge has temporarily blocked a voter-approved California law that would have forced gun owners to get rid of high-capacity ammunition magazines by this Saturday.

U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez, who is based in San Diego, issued a preliminary injunction Thursday that found the law was likely unconstitutional because it prevented people from using firearms that employed “whatever common magazine size he or she judges best suits the situation.” The law would have barred people from possessing magazines containing more than 10 bullets.

“The State of California’s desire to criminalize simple possession of a firearm magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds is precisely the type of policy choice that the Constitution takes off the table,” the injunction read.

Benitez added that “a final decision will take too long to offer relief, and because the statute will soon visit irrevocable harm on Plaintiffs and all those similarly situated a state-wide preliminary injunction is necessary and justified to maintain the status quo.”

The judge granted the request of attorneys from the National Rifle Association-affiliated California Rifle & Pistol Association to temporarily block the law.

In the days leading up to the ban, some California gun owners, pro-gun sheriffs and sellers have been reluctant to give up their magazines. Some gun owners have previously said that they were hoping pending court challenges would block the ban.

“We’re not going to be knocking on anybody’s door looking for them,” said Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko in an earlier interview with The Bee. “We’re essentially making law-abiding citizens into criminals with this new law.”................


Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article158965184.html#storylink=cpy
 

Kenny64

Well-Known Member
Much of laws can only be resisted by "we will not comply" attitude. There are far to many to arrest and put everyone in jail for simply owning a 20 or 30 round magazine or AR-15..

“We’re not going to be knocking on anybody’s door looking for them,” said Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko in an earlier interview with The Bee. “We’re essentially making law-abiding citizens into criminals with this new law.”................
 
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