Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade
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Ghoti Ichthus
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Hope and pray I don't need to use the sword God blessed me with.
Thus far, no problems, but ya never know.
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
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Kerbluey
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So that’s why I’m seeing references to gay marriage. I didn’t understand.
I also read the whole post trying to figure out what the game show Jeopardy had to do with any of this.
Ghoti Ichthus
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I think there needs to be an exception for life of the mother. A total ban prevents a doctor from removing an already-dead baby(ies) (from natural causes) from a mother if her body doesn't miscarry him/her/them and the decaying dead baby(ies) can cause death, sterility, horrific infection, etc. Ditto ectopic pregnancies and if the mother will die trying to carry the baby even just to the point of viability.
Rape and incest, I'm conflicted, but for sure, there must be a police report and prosecution if at all possible. My confliction has been intensified by the use of rape as a weapon of war and terrorism.
Rape and incest, I'm conflicted, but for sure, there must be a police report and prosecution if at all possible. My confliction has been intensified by the use of rape as a weapon of war and terrorism.
lightofmylife
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The democrats are losing on issues because the Supreme Court is voting against them. Whammy's is referring to the democrats getting blows by not going in their favor. I was using that terminology comparing it to a game show called Jeopardy which used whammy's in it.
Ghoti Ichthus
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Andiamo
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If a rape is reported immediately, a woman can be given a pill that prevents the implantation of the zygote. Still goes against my Christian convictions, but that's basically what an IUD does.
It's still murder. Once again, we're letting the world dictate and foretell what life is worthy to be lived. IUDs are like morning-after pills so I'm disgusted that so many Christians use them. You can't say "life begins at conception" and then say "well, it's just a zygote". Be consistent.
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I'm not saying "zygote" to justify anything. I am just identifying the stage of development to be clear.
Yes, I believe it is still killing a life that God planned and created. It is absolutely wrong.
I was simply presenting another possible scenario that our government may consider in the case of rape.
I didn't say I approved of it.
But if forced to choose two abortive options, it is better to me than ripping apart an eight week old baby.
I don't like IUDs either. Many Christians dont understand how birth control works so I'm not going to point fingers at anyone. Did you know that conceptions can happen with the birth control pill too? In that event, the zygote is not able to implant because the lining of the uterus is insufficient.
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Let me clarify again. I am simply specifying the state of development when I say "zygote." Similar to when moms specify their child is an "infant" or "toddler" or "preschooler." I am clarifying that this is a baby that has not yet implanted in the womb....it is still in the Fallopian tube. That is all. I forget when the embryo stage happens, so maybe I should be saying "embryo" to clarify. But I am not justifying anything by using these terms...it is still a person, a human being, a baby.
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Andiamo
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But you do not see the woman's side of view, your're a man!
You're wrong, if someone would say that, I have considered the ramifications of having a child from the view of those who would abort, but an innocent life created by God outweighs them all.
daygo
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True, but I have difficulty in cases of rape. Mainly because I know human nature and psychology and the effects that can have in a future setting.
mattfivefour
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Why? Is a child conceived by rape or incest of lesser value? Singer Eartha Kitt, Zahara Jolie-Pitt (adopted daughter of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt), activist Jesse Jackson, 7-time world surfing champion Layne Beachley, former Fox & Friends weekend anchor Kelly Wright, TV personality Faith Daniels, actress Nell Carter's daughter Tracey, actor Martin Sheen's wife Janet, singer Ethel Waters, and anti-abortionist leader Rebecca Kiessling are among those who were conceived through rape. Composer Theodore Stravinsky and well-known British television and theater writer John Byrne are among those conceived through incest. Should they have been aborted?
The overblown ravings of pro-abortion activists aside, a life is a life is a life. And life is given by God. He knows the child from the moment of conception and has a plan for it. Yes, rape and incest are absolutely horrific and terrible tragedies for the victims, and they deserve our most compassionate treatment. But the right response in each case is surely not to create a second victim by killing the child so conceived. He or she is as much an innocent victim as the mother.
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Ghoti Ichthus
Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
How well things go for a woman, who's been raped and any baby born from it, depends a lot on how her how her family, primarily the men, react.
If I had still been a teenager living at home (a very long time ago) and this happened, I would have been accused of lying about the rape and kicked out for shaming the family. My parents would have been shamed and ostracized, Dad might have lost his job, and my Maternal Grandparents would have been shamed, shunned, and maybe denied Holy Communion or even excommunicated. Not sure how my Paternal Grandparents' church would have reacted. I would have been shamed, shunned, ostracized, and denied Holy Communion until I repented of my sin of promiscuity and lying and if I still insisted it was rape, excommunicated. In the end, I and the baby if not adopted would have been shamed, shunned, and ostracized by the community, and as the child grew up, he or she would have been the target of bullies and adverse treatment by teachers, and likely refusal by other parents to date their children.
If I had ever been raped and gotten pregnant from it, my former husband would have blamed me and/or accused me of lying, and mentally, emotionally, verbally, and physically abused me over it. He would have done the same to the child if not adopted, assuming the abuse didn't cause a miscarriage or end up killing me. May or may not have divorced me over it. If it were when I was single and in the Army, I could have been involuntarily discharged without any benefits or severance (pregnancy discharge). At the least, it would have made me undeployable, both during pregnancy and afterwards (if no adoption) being a single parent, which effectively ends one's career, both in terms of promotion and assignment, and possibly being barred from reenlistment.
Rape victimizes more than just the woman, and sometimes a woman gets revictimized by her family, friends, work, church, etc.
Victim blaming of rape victims is nothing new, and will never end until Jesus comes back and ends rape, once and for all.
Some people are even blaming the Russian Army's rape victims in Ukraine!
Under strict sharia, a rapist can take custody of a child born from raping an infidel. Some women try to hide the pregnancy or deny the child is the rapist's. Under these circumstances, if a woman can't hide the pregnancy and child, she has to choose between aborting and relying on God's grace toward the unborn baby, or choosing life and quite possibly condemning the baby to Hell because of being brought up as an unbeliever by the rapist. If I had such a baby, I'd Baptize as soon as I could (in the hospital) (I believe in infant Baptism) and pray for God's mercy and providence for the child if he or she were taken away by nonbelievers.
This is only a small part of the reality that a rape victim faces. This doesn't make abortion any less murder, but does contribute to the angst of the decision because all human beings have intrinsic worth as human beings.
If I had still been a teenager living at home (a very long time ago) and this happened, I would have been accused of lying about the rape and kicked out for shaming the family. My parents would have been shamed and ostracized, Dad might have lost his job, and my Maternal Grandparents would have been shamed, shunned, and maybe denied Holy Communion or even excommunicated. Not sure how my Paternal Grandparents' church would have reacted. I would have been shamed, shunned, ostracized, and denied Holy Communion until I repented of my sin of promiscuity and lying and if I still insisted it was rape, excommunicated. In the end, I and the baby if not adopted would have been shamed, shunned, and ostracized by the community, and as the child grew up, he or she would have been the target of bullies and adverse treatment by teachers, and likely refusal by other parents to date their children.
If I had ever been raped and gotten pregnant from it, my former husband would have blamed me and/or accused me of lying, and mentally, emotionally, verbally, and physically abused me over it. He would have done the same to the child if not adopted, assuming the abuse didn't cause a miscarriage or end up killing me. May or may not have divorced me over it. If it were when I was single and in the Army, I could have been involuntarily discharged without any benefits or severance (pregnancy discharge). At the least, it would have made me undeployable, both during pregnancy and afterwards (if no adoption) being a single parent, which effectively ends one's career, both in terms of promotion and assignment, and possibly being barred from reenlistment.
Rape victimizes more than just the woman, and sometimes a woman gets revictimized by her family, friends, work, church, etc.
Victim blaming of rape victims is nothing new, and will never end until Jesus comes back and ends rape, once and for all.
Some people are even blaming the Russian Army's rape victims in Ukraine!
Under strict sharia, a rapist can take custody of a child born from raping an infidel. Some women try to hide the pregnancy or deny the child is the rapist's. Under these circumstances, if a woman can't hide the pregnancy and child, she has to choose between aborting and relying on God's grace toward the unborn baby, or choosing life and quite possibly condemning the baby to Hell because of being brought up as an unbeliever by the rapist. If I had such a baby, I'd Baptize as soon as I could (in the hospital) (I believe in infant Baptism) and pray for God's mercy and providence for the child if he or she were taken away by nonbelievers.
This is only a small part of the reality that a rape victim faces. This doesn't make abortion any less murder, but does contribute to the angst of the decision because all human beings have intrinsic worth as human beings.
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Where Abortion Is Legal and Where It Loses Protections Without Roe v. Wade
The Wall Street Journal
Abortion access across the U.S. now depends on state laws after Supreme Court overturned 1973 decision that established constitutional right to an abortion Read the full story
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The Wall Street Journal
Abortion access across the U.S. now depends on state laws after Supreme Court overturned 1973 decision that established constitutional right to an abortion Read the full story
Source: Wall Street Journal
Shared from Apple News
daygo
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Thanks Matt, its just for me anyway in cases of rape its the sheer thought of the trauma, the psychological effects on the mother and the child, the stigma etc as well as any mental heath issues that may arise, and I repeat may arise. In cases of incense its imo completly different, but I do agree with you, just that for me I cant get my head around such things so generally I say nothing, dont know any of these people you mentioned. In this case ignorance is not bliss.
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