Suicide

Ahwatukee

Well-Known Member
Whenever I hear that someone has committed suicide, I can’t help but be concerned about where the spirit/soul of that person has gone, whether they were in Christ or not.

The obvious reasoning for this action is that the individual cannot deal with their problems which drives them to make the decision to take their own life, which for the unbeliever is just the speeding up of the beginning of their punishment, sealing of their own fate, which is separation from God’s presence for all eternity.

Their thinking is that by committing this act that their life fades to blackness, becoming non-existent, allowing them to escape from whatever troubles they were having in life.

The truth of the matter is that, for those who take their own lives and had never received Jesus Christ as Lord and savior while they were alive, any problems that they may have had in this life will pale greatly in comparison to what they will experience after their death. Unfortunately, like the rich man of Lazarus fame, they don’t discover their error until it’s too late. And there are no do overs, there is no coming back!

Once you take your last breath your record is sealed!

Scripture is clear, regarding both believer and unbeliever, that at the time of death the spirit/soul departs from the body and goes to one of two places. For those who are in Christ, at the time of death their spirit/soul departs the body and immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Cor.5:6-8, Phil.1:22-23).

In opposition, those who die without faith in Christ, their spirit/soul departs from the body and just like the rich man, goes into Sheol/Hades, that place of torment in flame located within the depths of the earth (Luke 16:19-31). While their thinking is to escape their troubles, instead they will have greatly multiplied them exponentially and that by their own hand.

The event of the rich man and Lazarus, and I say “event” because there are many in Christianity who have been deceived into believing and who teach this as being a parable. The truth however, is that there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to a symbolic or allegorical interpretation, as the names of real people are being used, as well as the literal location of Hades. This was a literal event that took place which the Lord is conveying to us through His word. The base information that can be garnered from this scripture is:

The spirit/soul is conscious and aware after the death of the body

Sheol/Hades is a literal place of punishment in torment in flame

The way to avoid this place of punishment is found in the word of God

Not expressing love through faith will get you there

There is no coming back


Everyone who comes into the world exists forever. Life and death are just two states of conscious existence. And one's decision regarding Christ will determine where they spend that existence.

Because of sin everyone is separated from God right from the get-go. You’re already on that broad road that leads to destruction, which is not annihilation or extinction, but complete loss of well being, ruination. You must do something to get off that road and the only detour can be found in receiving Jesus Christ, through whom we have the forgiveness of all sins and the promise of eternal life.

For those of you reading this who have not received Christ as Lord and Savior, when you die, regardless of how it occurs, Hades is your immediate guaranteed destination, where you will be very conscious and aware. Following that will be the great white throne judgment and then the lake of fire, which is the final place of punishment for those who die without the blood of Christ covering their sins.

The good … no, the great news is, that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). And there isn’t any problem on this earth that Christ won’t or can’t help you through. God's love which transcends all understanding will rest upon you, allowing you to face any trials or tribulations that may come.
 
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Andy C

Well-Known Member
Whenever I hear that someone has committed suicide, I can’t help but be concerned about where the spirit/soul of that person has gone, whether they were in Christ or not.

The obvious reasoning for this action is that the individual cannot deal with their problems which drives them to make the decision to take their own life, which for the unbeliever is just the speeding up of the beginning of their punishment and the sealing of their own fate, which is separation from God’s presence for all eternity.

Their thinking is that by committing this act that their life fades to blackness, becoming non-existent, allowing them to escape from whatever troubles they were having in life.

The truth of the matter is that, for those who take their own lives and had never received Jesus Christ as Lord and savior while they were alive, any problems that they may have had in this life will pale greatly in comparison to what they will experience after their death. Unfortunately, like the rich man of Lazarus fame, they don’t find out their error until it’s too late. And there are no do overs, there is no coming back!

Once you take your last breath your record is sealed!

Scripture is clear, regarding both believer and unbeliever, that at the time of death the spirit/soul departs from the body and goes to one of two places. For those who are in Christ, at the time of death their spirit/soul departs the body and immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Cor.5:6-8, Phil.1:22-23).

In opposition, those who die without faith in Christ, their spirit/soul departs from the body and just like the rich man, goes into Sheol/Hades, that place of torment in flame located within the depths of the earth (Luke 16:19-31). While their thinking is to escape their troubles, instead they will have greatly multiplied them exponentially and that by their own hand.

The event of the rich man and Lazarus, and I say “event” because there are many in Christianity who have been deceived into believing and who teach this as being a parable. The truth however, is that there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to a symbolic or allegorical interpretation, as the names of real people are being used, as well as the literal location of Hades. This was a literal event that took place which the Lord is conveying to us through His word. The base information that can be garnered from this scripture is:

The spirit/soul is conscious and aware after the death of the body

Sheol/Hades is a literal place of punishment in torment in flame

The way to avoid this place of punishment is found in the word of God

Not expressing love through faith will get you there

There is no coming back


Everyone who comes into the world exists forever. Life and death are just two states of conscious existence. And your decision regarding Christ will determine where you spend that existence.

Because of sin everyone is separated from God right from the get-go. You’re already on that broad road that leads to destruction, which is not annihilation or extinction, but complete loss of well being, ruination. You must do something to get off that road and the only detour can be found in receiving Jesus Christ, through whom we have the forgiveness of all sins and the promise of eternal life.

For those of you reading this who have not received Christ as Lord and Savior, when you die, regardless of how it occurs, Hades is your immediate guaranteed destination, where you will be very conscious and aware. Following that will be the great white throne judgment and then the lake of fire, which is the final place of punishment for those who die without the blood of Christ covering their sins.

The good … no, the great news is, that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). And there isn’t any problem on this earth that Christ won’t or can’t help you through. God's love which transcends all understanding will rest upon you, allowing you to face any trials or tribulations that may come.
Excellent post. I too am deeply saddened by those who are extremely struggling, upon taking their own life, and not being a Christian, the horrors awaiting them can not be properly conveyed. To be in so much mental or physical pain that deaths seems to be the only way out of their problems, only to instantly upon their last breath be in eternal hell.

We have work to do, more folks need to repent, and confess Jesus as their Savior.
 

Andy C

Well-Known Member
Excellent post. I too am deeply saddened by those who are extremely struggling, upon taking their own life, and not being a Christian, the horrors awaiting them can not be properly conveyed. To be in so much mental or physical pain that deaths seems to be the only way out of their problems, only to instantly upon their last breath be in eternal hell.

We have work to do, more folks need to repent, and confess Jesus as their Savior.
Forgot to add that I do believe that Christians have, and some will commit suicide, and are now with Him for eternity.
Suicide is not an unforgivable sin.
 

greg64

Well-Known Member
2. The Bible gives the best cure, or at least moderation of the problem: Philippians 4:8 -- "Finally, brothers whatever is true whatever is noble whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely whatever is admirable -- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy -- think about such things." In the same way you can alter your own chemical balance by being negative, you can also do it by being positive.
Great point -- I don't think we can overstate the importance of this. Thankfully, I can't speak personally with regard to persistent depression, but with regard to sin, where you put your focus and how you spend your time is huge. The more I'm in the word and studying related issues, the less I even want to be tempted by things that I would fall for every time in the past.

I also think the OP made a good point... the issue isn't suicide per se, it's what one has decided to do with Jesus -- have we trusted Him or not? In the end, that's the choice that seals our destiny one way or the other.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Christians aren't immune. I've known several who suffer greatly. While my heart breaks for those who are in this kind of pain, the ones who aren't saved, no matter how they enter eternity, it is final, they've had their last chance and the suffering is now multiplied and forever. I really feel bad for the people left behind after a suicide. So much pain.

GeorgeO I pray that this pain eases up and you find healing and even if you continue to struggle that you'd be able to feel joy again, and hope.
 

Tony Trout

Hardcore Elvis Fan & Disciple Of Jesus Christ!
Who is going to flame you for agreeing with what is clearly in the bible, and thats you can not lose your salvation once you are saved, no matter what.
Well, I meant that I would probably get some backlash for agreeing that there are some Christians who have taken their own life but.....they're in Heaven right now as we speak. That was what I was referring to.
 

jcgss77

Well-Known Member
I am sorry to bump this, but I would like to add to this conversation. Suicide is NOT an unforgivable sin, but the sin against the Holy Spirit, which simply (yet unfortunately) not accepting Jesus the Christ as Lord and Savior. Suicide, however, IS a sin, and as long as we have all faith in Jesus as our Redeemer, we will not take the knife (both figuratively and literally) against ourselves. Obviously, each of us faces our Father individually, who both loves us and judges us, who judges us because He loves us. And we each are responsible with the life gifted to us. Which leads to my point I would like to add.

Anyone who suffers with depression, especially unto suicidal tendencies, NEEDS the body to rally to them, not shun them. Remember, where a member suffers, the whole body suffers. We are to both shoulder each other's burdens as well as rejoice in all joy together. People who are suicidal are struggling with their version of the thorn of the flesh, just as much as Paul did. So we are to support them, love them, suffer with them. NOT "fix" them. There is no fixing, except in faith in Christ, which is what kept Paul going on when he begged God to remove his issue.

This issue is very near to me, as I have had much experience with depression. An ex of mine committed suicide after a life of depression, as far as I know in a state of gnosticism without surrender to Jesus. My very soon to be ex wife has suffered from depression, the whole time we were married. And I personally suffer from debilitating depression. From my experience, depression at it's core is a lack of faith in our God, and all He is capable of and willing to do. Each time I surrendered to depression, guess who was not included in my life? Yup, God. So our battle is then listening to the person who we know that is suffering, partnering with them, and openly and obviously caring for them. And I need to say obviously means being transparent in our caring and love for them. We should not smother them, but be in constant contact with them. Though each person is different, with different needs, true Godly love is the remedy. Plus time. This is not an overnight transition. It takes investment and endurance.

I, personally, need a quick instance of foot to butt to come out of my dives in to depression, and I am so thankful for those who have done this for me. Others need things which are different. That is why I ask of all my brothers and sisters to be straight, up front, no filter with me. I do not need tenderness when given truth and fact. I need directness. But others will recede away from you when you respond this way to them. Suicide and depression. This is tough, but is a great and lasting way to show that we are indeed being changed to Christ-likeness for the willing servants of our Lord. Thank you for your thoughts @Ahwatukee.
 

Andy C

Well-Known Member
From my experience, depression at it's core is a lack of faith in our God, and all He is capable of and willing to do. Each time I surrendered to depression, guess who was not included in my life?
Do you feel any Christian who is battling with depression, may be going theough a period of lack of faith?
 

jcgss77

Well-Known Member
Do you feel any Christian who is battling with depression, may be going theough a period of lack of faith?
I do not believe that depression is universally caused by a lack of faith. I do believe that a Christian who is feeling depressed can be going through a period of lack of faith though. I do know that allowing distance from God will exacerbate depression, as is my personal experience.
 

Angle

Well-Known Member
I want to tell you all something. I have sever anexity disorder. But I am not going to let anything get me down. I will praise Jesus because he has been helping me. I know I am not alone and I have lots of friends.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Anyone who suffers with depression, especially unto suicidal tendencies, NEEDS the body to rally to them, not shun them. Remember, where a member suffers, the whole body suffers. We are to both shoulder each other's burdens as well as rejoice in all joy together. People who are suicidal are struggling with their version of the thorn of the flesh, just as much as Paul did. So we are to support them, love them, suffer with them. NOT "fix" them. There is no fixing, except in faith in Christ, which is what kept Paul going on when he begged God to remove his issue.
Well said.
 
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