SO WHAT NOW? 7 SETS OF QUESTIONS TO ASK AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA?

Meg

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So they're doing the best they can to be Christians in the way they understand Christianity (ie compassion for the poor) and that's "a slap in the face to the Lord"? Wow, someone tell me how to do everything right, and I will give it a try. Isn't Christianity hard enough without being saddled with political party politics? :doh: If the Republican Party could have brought themselves to support a decent candidate, we wouldn't be facing 4 more years of Zero!!
 

mattfivefour

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Compassion for the poor is not necessarily exclusively a Christian principle. But the commencement of life at conception is; as is the sanctity of marriage being between a man and a woman; as is unwavering and unalterable support for the state of Israel. No other religious belief system holds to all three of those points.

I think both candidates declared support for improving the lot of low income people. Romney by creating more jobs and Obama by increasing welfare. Even the humanists want to help the poor; in fact that it one of the underlying principles of both socialism and its big brother, communism. Surely the essential principles for a Christian to have voted on were the three I listed above.

That said, I completely agree with your complaint that Christianity should not be saddled with the baggage of political parties. Excellent comment!
 

Meg

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I did a bit of checking, and based the statement about compassion for the poor from a blog I saw but chose not to post. I felt sorry for the author, being attacked for voting for the wrong guy out of her understanding of what it means to serve the Lord. We don't need friendly fire inside the ranks, the outsiders are bad enough.
 

Robert

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When you are given 2 choices and one is clearly less evil than the other, you must by default choose the lesser of 2 evils. We had the primary selection process and we were given the Romney. That was our choice because as we now know not many Christians came out and selected a candidate.

To have voted for Obama was s slap in the face to the Lord as it meant one approves of what Obama is going overall: including advancing abortion, gay behavior, anti israel, anti american, and anti christian behavior.

We as Christians has a choice and it is quite obvious that there were many who absolutly made the wrong choice and now the party is really going to get started over here.

Interior proposal would limit commercial oil shale development on federal lands in West - The Hill's E2-Wire
Utah company blames Pres. Obama for 102 workers laid off | ksl.com
After Obama reelection CEO reads prayer to staff, announces layoffs - The Washington Post
PICKET: Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality - Washington Times

Just wait until January comes around and Obamacare kicks in and then lets have this discussion about
No, you had the choice long before the primaries; where was your voice then? If you waited until this election to see what 2 choices we would have, then your argument falls flat on its' face. But many were silent and did not say, and Santorum and Romney were the ones in the running for the nomination.

So, in drawing it that black and white, you failed to notice one thing: whether Obama or Romney, the choice of either was a strike against the Lord. Vote for a Mormon businessman and watch deregulation gut the rest of this nation while the super rich continued on reaping profits, or vote Obama and watch him gut the country from the other direction.

Either way was a fail; pick your poison if you will. We as the church dropped the ball when we could not find a candidate to put forth that was better than either.

And wait til January to have this discussion? No, discuss it now, especially the fact that both the "conservative right" and the "liberal left" have both been epic failures, don't care about anything but personal gain and have completely failed to produce anything other than candidates that espouse whatever policies are convenient to the task of being nominated and elected for office.


Food for thought: Jesus Christ is neither a Republican nor a Democrat. He demonstrated this when He spoke against both the Pharisees and Sadducees.
 

Editor1

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When I looked at the field of Republican candidates last year, I didn't see any of them that could beat Obama, barring a catastrophe.

I agree with Robert that Jesus is neither Republican or Democrat. Heck, Jesus isn't even an American (shocking as that may be to some people).
 

froggy

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We did everything we could,God has other plans..That being said this has truly been a depressing day.I haven't felt like this before..I know this is part of Gods last days plan,but i still hurt...

This is no longer a God protected Nation,we have officially been thrown under Gods bus,just as we threw Israel under the bus.Were done....
I feel you brother. My pastor and I were talking about it last night. I have been a patriot for my whole life and it hurts too see my nation so willing to give up its freedoms for a few handouts. I think my patriotism was part of my identity and now any illusions I may have had about my country have just been stripped away. I need to remind myself that my true identity is to be in Christ alone. I am in this world but not of it. My citizenship is in Heaven--the only real good place that is left anyway.
Our job now is to snatch as many out of the fire as we can and give them new citizenship with us in the Beautiful Land. Direct evangelism-knocking on doors and giving the clear gospel. It's time to return to the ""foolishness of preaching." No more of just "living a righteous life and hoping someone will notice and ask me why I'm different." Time is running out for this world.
Two weeks ago on a Saturday a friend and I spent an hour and knocked on maybe a dozen doors--one lady prayed to accept Christ after a 5 min conversation. It's not that hard and it's all God anyway--we just do what He says and leave the results to Him. Even when rejected, 99% of people are respectful. Besides, they are rejecting Christ--not me. Here's an awesome quote from my friends wife:"You can"t say anything that will hurt me, I died 2000 years ago on a cross."
Gal_2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

It hurts to see my earthly nation choose this path, but it will be gone in a few years anyway. I'm going to focus on working for my real President--my Savior and Lord!
 

YeuEmMaiMai

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No, you had the choice long before the primaries; where was your voice then? If you waited until this election to see what 2 choices we would have, then your argument falls flat on its' face. But many were silent and did not say, and Santorum and Romney were the ones in the running for the nomination.

So, in drawing it that black and white, you failed to notice one thing: whether Obama or Romney, the choice of either was a strike against the Lord. Vote for a Mormon businessman and watch deregulation gut the rest of this nation while the super rich continued on reaping profits, or vote Obama and watch him gut the country from the other direction.

Either way was a fail; pick your poison if you will. We as the church dropped the ball when we could not find a candidate to put forth that was better than either.

And wait til January to have this discussion? No, discuss it now, especially the fact that both the "conservative right" and the "liberal left" have both been epic failures, don't care about anything but personal gain and have completely failed to produce anything other than candidates that espouse whatever policies are convenient to the task of being nominated and elected for office.


Food for thought: Jesus Christ is neither a Republican nor a Democrat. He demonstrated this when He spoke against both the Pharisees and Sadducees.
you totally missed what I said so I guess I'll just have to say it again


Christians had their chance in the primary to pick their candidate (Palin or Santorum) but failed to come out and vote for them. We got Romney and given what he said would have been the better of the two choices.

As for de regulation, I 'm all for it. I am so tired of the government telling me what I can and cannot eat, limiting my choices when it comes to health care, bailing out companies with no hope of return on our tax dollar, causing me to pay more for fuel as they cut back on energy development in proven areas, making the cost of food go up as they make it harder and harder on people to farm, etc. But what really gets my goat is the fact of how Obama has treated Israel and the middle east, his stance on abortion and gay marriage. Those were the overriding factors for me.

It discusts me to no end that Marriage is going to be redefined so that people of the same sex can get "married".
It discusts me to no end that Israel is now on their own with no US support that matters

You can talk about the past all you want but while Romney is not perfect, it was an ever so tiny step in the right direction and his message was clear. Cut spending and keep taxes under control, be a strong alli to Israel, and keep traditional family values...

And the reason I said wait until January is so that everyone can suffer the sicker shock from the new taxes going into place effective 01-01-2013.......maybe then it will sink in...
 
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