SO WHAT NOW? 7 SETS OF QUESTIONS TO ASK AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA?

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From Joel Rosenberg today:

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SO WHAT NOW? 7 SETS OF QUESTIONS TO ASK AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA?


Starting with: "Is the implosion of American more or less likely now?"

Joel C. Rosenberg

(Washington, D.C., November 7, 2012) -- Waking up the day after the 2012 elections, I had many questions on my mind. But none so pressing as this: Is the implosion of America more or less likely now?

I'll share my thoughts on that in a moment. First things first: Many Americans are stunned by President Obama's reelection. Most prominent conservative analysts and pundits had definitively predicted Romney would win decisively. Several even predicted a landslide for Romney (most notably Dick Morris and George Will and Michael Barone.) Yet in the end, Mr. Obama won 50.3% of the popular vote and 303 electoral votes, while Mr. Romney won 48.1% of the popular vote and only 206 electoral votes.

Many evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics are stunned and grieving by the fact that the President's support for abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, massive deficits and national debt, nationalized health care, and large defense cuts have been ratified by the majority of the American people, as has his policies of appeasing the mullahs in Iran, misreading and mishandling the Arab Spring, and creating distance and daylight between the U.S. and Israel. What's more, same-sex marriages ballot measures were passed in Maryland and Maine; and marijuana-legalization ballot measures were passed in Washington State and Colorado (in defiance of federal laws prohibiting its use).

Why did God say "no" to the prayers of millions of Christians who were asking Him to save the Obama and Biden families spiritually but also remove them from office? It's going to take time to prayerfully and Scripturally analyze what happened and why. We should be careful not to rush to conclusions. Instead, we need to take time to carefully analyze the facts. The Bible says, "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings to search out a matter." (Proverbs 25:2) As we process all this, we need to ask a number of probing questions. Among them:

1. Did Mr. Obama win because America is becoming more liberal, more secular, more hostile to Biblical values and those who hold them? That is, are we losing the battle for the soul of America, and should now expect more liberal political leaders to dominate the American scene in the years ahead?

2. Or, did Mr. Romney lose because he was a flawed candidate, who made numerous unforced errors, flip-flopped on numerous policy issues, and campaigned as a conservative when he was in fact a Massachusetts moderate? That is, could a truly principled, experienced, articulate, conservative, orthodox Christian leader be able to persuade a majority of the country to change course?

3. Precisely how did self-professed born-again Christians vote? Did they vote on the basis of personality, or principle? For those who voted for Obama, why?

4. Did many born-again Christians stay home and not vote? If so, what caused them not to turn out for Romney? Was it for personality reasons? Policy reasons?

5. What significance did Mr. Romney's Mormonism play in the decision of born-again Christians not to vote for him? That is, did many Christians refuse to vote for Romney for religious reasons, and if so, how many?

6. Why were GOP and conservative pundits so wrong, so far off the mark, and what role did wishful thinking rather than sound analysis play in their predictions (especially when the Real Clear Politics average of polls showed Obama pulling ahead of Romney in the last few days)?

7. Considering all the data, is the implosion of America more or less likely today, and will the Church in America wake up and repent and call the nation back to Christ before it's too late?

We are at a very vulnerable moment. I can't say that the implosion of America is imminent. But how much longer will God be patient before He decides to judge us for 54 million abortions, a celebration of homosexuality, rampant heterosexual immorality, marital affairs, separations, divorce, the implosion of whole families, rampant pornography, unprecedented murder and violent crime rates, massive deficits, unfathomable debt, and a weak, increasingly apostate Church?

Just as we are living on borrowed credit, so we are living on borrowed time.

A few final thoughts for now...

[To read the full analysis (this has been heavily excerpted) -- and/or to read an excerpt from IMPLOSION; or the new e-book, ISRAEL AT WAR; or to find links to the latest news and analysis of events and trends in the U.S., Israel, North Africa, Russia, and the Middle East -- please go to: http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/.
 

Editor1

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1. Did Mr. Obama win because America is becoming more liberal, more secular, more hostile to Biblical values and those who hold them? That is, are we losing the battle for the soul of America, and should now expect more liberal political leaders to dominate the American scene in the years ahead?

Yes and yes. The percentage of Americans who embrace a biblical world view and values is getting smaller and smaller. When a candidate campaigns on those values, they often drive away more people than they attract.

2. Or, did Mr. Romney lose because he was a flawed candidate, who made numerous unforced errors, flip-flopped on numerous policy issues, and campaigned as a conservative when he was in fact a Massachusetts moderate? That is, could a truly principled, experienced, articulate, conservative, orthodox Christian leader be able to persuade a majority of the country to change course?

Yes and no. Romney was, and always will be, a moderate. He's a businessman who only embraced social conservative issues out of expediency to win the Repubican nomination. He never presented a clear contrast to his opponent. I highly doubt a more conservative, Christian candidate like Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann would have fared any better and probably much worse. Throughout the primary season, the most repeated answer among why people voted for Romney wasn't because they agreed with him. It was they believed he had the best chance to beat Barack Obama. In the end, none of them could.

3. Precisely how did self-professed born-again Christians vote? Did they vote on the basis of personality, or principle? For those who voted for Obama, why?
Exit polls showed a majority of evangelical Christians, particularly white evangelicals, favored Romney. Romney did well in areas which had large number of evangelicals. There just are not enough of them to carry a national election anymore.

4. Did many born-again Christians stay home and not vote? If so, what caused them not to turn out for Romney? Was it for personality reasons? Policy reasons?
My feeling was the opposite. Many evangelicals were slow to embrace a Mormon candidate. But they did, perhaps out of the "lesser of two evils" approach. Again, I think Romney did fine with evangelicals; he needed to do better with other groups to win a national election.

5. What significance did Mr. Romney's Mormonism play in the decision of born-again Christians not to vote for him? That is, did many Christians refuse to vote for Romney for religious reasons, and if so, how many?
Possible. But again, I think the reluctance went away over time when people realized it was either the Mormon candidate or Obama. I doubt a Baptist or Methodist would have fared much differently.

6. Why were GOP and conservative pundits so wrong, so far off the mark, and what role did wishful thinking rather than sound analysis play in their predictions (especially when the Real Clear Politics average of polls showed Obama pulling ahead of Romney in the last few days)?

Romney faced an uphill battle from the start. He did a good job to close the gap. But, in the end, it just wasn't enough even with a weak economy and vulnerable incumbent. He had to offer voters a real difference and failed to do so.

7. Considering all the data, is the implosion of America more or less likely today, and will the Church in America wake up and repent and call the nation back to Christ before it's too late?

Not much different than where we were a year ago, four years ago. A message of repentance is not going to sell very well in materialistic America the way it might in third-world nations. Americans are proud people and want to do it their own way. They're not likely to buy a "heal their land" speech. What that way happens to be only time will tell.
 

Littlejoe

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We did everything we could,God has other plans..That being said this has truly been a depressing day.I haven't felt like this before..I know this is part of Gods last days plan,but i still hurt...

This is no longer a God protected Nation,we have officially been thrown under Gods bus,just as we threw Israel under the bus.Were done....
 

Lujack Skylark

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Littlejoe (/QUOTE)
This is no longer a God protected Nation,we have officially been thrown under Gods bus,just as we threw Israel under the bus.Were done....

I expect the Middle-East war with Syria will expand and the Palestinians will be going on the warpath against Israel fullfilling the Psalms 83 prophecy where the Arab people's attack Israel.

Like you say we have abandoned Israel and our Moslem president has been reelected. Israel will be forced to act alone against Iran after the PLO crisis about statehood is over.

President Obama's NWO vision is sure to speed up Bible prophecy as his anti-Christian ideas line up setting the future world stage for the arise of the anti-Christ. World events indicate the rapture will soon be knocking at our door. Obama is ready to work with the Russian communists and Russia plays a key part with Iran in Ezekiel's prophecy. All these events are really heating up just as the Jewish prophets of God warned us.
 

Meg

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Why couldn't the Republican party which professes God find themselves unable to produce a candidate who actually serves Him?
 

Hannah

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We did everything we could,God has other plans..That being said this has truly been a depressing day.I haven't felt like this before..I know this is part of Gods last days plan,but i still hurt...

This is no longer a God protected Nation,we have officially been thrown under Gods bus,just as we threw Israel under the bus.Were done....
:hug
 

FaithInChrist

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Why couldn't the Republican party which professes God find themselves unable to produce a candidate who actually serves Him?
Exactly! They did not want to win. I think they really have no clue how to stop the looming debt crisis and they want failure at the hands of Obama.
 

Carl

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God is shaking our nation to get our attention, to get Christians — first and foremost — to wake up and focus on Him, not on Washington — The Lord said through the ancient Hebrew Prophet Haggai that the nations would be shaken in the future. “For thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land. I will shake all the nations….I am going to shake the heavens and the earth. I will overthrow the thrones of kingdoms and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations.” (Haggai 2:6, 7, 21, 22)

When 9/11 happened many people seemed to turn to God. I had read that 9/11 hit us in three areas economy, security, and ?. Sorry can't recall the third area. Since then the whimpering for each incident has not caused a spiritual wakening.
13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chron 7:13-14 (KJV) When we talk about God taking us to the woodshed. If the above statement is true then God may well hit us directly in the churches of the land. With obama care it has already started. When the full version hits then maybe the whimpering will start. I dare say that when the church gets hit with a broadside then the separation of the wheat and the chaff will really happen. That will be the real separation of the true believer from the tares.

I can't see how a true believer could possibly vote for bo. But we can be so twisted. My sister-in-law voted for Clinton knowing full well his stand on abortion. She justified it with all the help he promised for the poor. Since she has said that that vote was wrong. But that is an example of how unthinking and detached we Christians can be. God has His Work cut out for Him. And I am afraid that the shaking has just started, if the Lord tarries.




 

Editor1

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Why couldn't the Republican party which professes God find themselves unable to produce a candidate who actually serves Him?
Meg,

Those type of candidates are a hard sell in a national election. Just not enough voters out there who are attracted to them.

Remember, the Republican primaries featured the likes of Jon Huntsman, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry. Yet, time and again, when asked why people supported Mitt Romney, the answer was "he has the best chance to beat Barack Obama". That was probably true, as I don't think any of the other candidates would have fared as well.

Politics is all about compromise and when you stick to hard-line positions, you tend to alienate people and they won't vote for you. Polls still show the majority of Americans still believe in the existence of God. Whether or not they are willing to accept his supposed dictates on their behaviors is a different question.
 

Meg

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Meg,

Those type of candidates are a hard sell in a national election. Just not enough voters out there who are attracted to them.

Remember, the Republican primaries featured the likes of Jon Huntsman, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry. Yet, time and again, when asked why people supported Mitt Romney, the answer was "he has the best chance to beat Barack Obama". That was probably true, as I don't think any of the other candidates would have fared as well.

Politics is all about compromise and when you stick to hard-line positions, you tend to alienate people and they won't vote for you. Polls still show the majority of Americans still believe in the existence of God. Whether or not they are willing to accept his supposed dictates on their behaviors is a different question.
Exactly, precisely. Which is why Christians who voted for Obama this year (I did not), shouldn't be vilified. Thank you, Editor.
 

YeuEmMaiMai

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Exactly, precisely. Which is why Christians who voted for Obama this year (I did not), shouldn't be vilified. Thank you, Editor.
Actually they should be for voting for someone that absolutely does not even remotely line up with our values.

Obama is

Pro Abortion
Anti Christian
Pro Islam
Pro Civil Union (aka gay marriage)

Believe it or not, God gave us a clear, I repeat CLEAR choice and the Obama's were not it. Even with all of his faults Romney was someone who

Believes in Marriage as it is currently defined by God and Human history
Believes in a strong traditional family
Wanted to work on reducing government spending. He is, afterall, a business man and knows that this uncontrolled spending cannot go on ($11 spent for every $7 coming in)
 

Robert

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Actually they should be for voting for someone that absolutely does not even remotely line up with our values.

Obama is

Pro Abortion
Anti Christian
Pro Islam
Pro Civil Union (aka gay marriage)

Believe it or not, God gave us a clear, I repeat CLEAR choice and the Obama's were not it. Even with all of his faults Romney was someone who

Believes in Marriage as it is currently defined by God and Human history
Believes in a strong traditional family
Wanted to work on reducing government spending. He is, afterall, a business man and knows that this uncontrolled spending cannot go on ($11 spent for every $7 coming in)
And flip-flopped on the major issues. Had Romney stayed consistent, right now we wouldn't be wringing our hands over Obama's second term. I remember a point in this election when folks were aghast about the possibility of Romney getting the Republican nomination, but resigned themselves to the fact when no other candidate even stood a chance to beat the incumbent POTUS. Let's face it: we didn't vote for Romney because we wanted him in...


... We did so because we so much more wanted Obama out.


If Romney is the best the GOP could produce to beat Obama, then we need to take a good look at the "conservative" party. We wouldn't have gotten in this mess if four years prior, McCain had been able to win the election. Was Sarah Palin such a good choice for VP after all? If Romney was "God's clear choice", then that wouldn't say much about the Lord, now would it?


Keep in mind: men chose Saul; God chose David.


In any event, my point is this: we are stuck now with Obama for another 4 years, and we laid the groundwork for this long before even the first George Bush. When this nation threw God out, our days as a nation became numbered. Just like the nation of Judah got "boy kings" that were unfit and not even suited to any sort of leadership, we got the POTUS that we deserved, NOT wanted. When men began to sell their morals to the highest bidder and money became the god of many, our nation's fate was written on the wall by the finger of the Lord Himself.

On another note..


We cry about "Pro Abortion, Anti Christian, Pro Islam and gay marriage", but what have we left out?

We scream about abortion, but not about sexual immorality? With no chastity and waiting for the right person, can we say all the abortions in this land are due to rape or molestation?

We cry about "Anti Christian", but how many in this nation do more than "give God his 2 hours", let alone read scripture daily. Most don't even know all the books in the Bible, let alone have read them. They know the TV guide better than their Bibles.

We complain about "Pro Islam", but how many in this nation stand for the Lord? A cute bumper sticker or t-shirt is no replacement for telling someone about the miracle the Lord has worked in changing their heart of stone for a heart of flesh, let alone about the incredible gift Jesus Christ gave to us by dying on the cross in our place.

They leave that for "the evangelists and preachers".

Finally: the outcry against "gay marriage"? What have we done to protect traditional marriage? Oh, we passed a few laws that claim to "protect" it, but in a nation where 46 percent of all marriages end in divorce, we may cry out to preserve the concept of the traditional marriage, but have done precious little to preserve the marriages themselves. With faithfulness and commitment having been discarded in favor of being able to replace a spouse as we would an old car or appliance, the "traditional marriage" has long been discarded in favor of the "disposable marriage", where it's no longer "til death do we part" but rather, "til I find someone younger, sexier and with more money and toys than you do we part."


It is over this kind of nation that Obama became president.


So, if we're going to despair over the kind of president that was voted in and complain that the one we wanted to get in did not, then it's a good time to now look at ourselves and ask some very hard questions. Both Republican and Democratic parties are failures in equal measure, and both are no longer representing people, but their own interests. It's time to get our heads out of the sand and stop looking to a human to answer all of our problems, get our Bibles, and start being the light and the salt that scripture calls us to be! Never mind about the people who don't want to hear about the Lord, the atheists who would silence us, or any of the false religions that claim their "god" is better.


IT IS TIME FOR A REVIVAL, AND IF WE SAY WE WANT ONE, THEN LET US ALL FALL TO OUR KNEES AND PRAY LIKE NEVER BEFORE TO THE LORD TO POUR HIS SPIRIT OUT UPON THIS LAND ONE MORE TIME!!!!!


Or, we can sit idly by and grumble while our nations falls to pieces.



The choice is yours, each and every single person who reads this. But as for me, I'm hitting my knees and turning to the God who is my King and Saviour to ask for this.




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YeuEmMaiMai

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There is NO WAY that anyone can say with a straight face that Obama was choice for anyone Christian.... especially after the last 4 years...sorry not going to fly...

I'd rather have taken the obviously less evil path of Romney. The Democrats completely removed God/Israel from their platform and only put it back after they realized they were going to get roasted for it (over the strong objections of their national convention attendees).

Christians had a choice and it is quite clear that they voted for someone clearly opposed to their core beliefs. President Obama has repeatidly demonstated he does not care for Israel by supporting their enemies with American funds along with destabilizing the middle east.
 

AndyM

Saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ
This verywell could be the last curtain call from God. So many Americans missed it because whats in it for me attitude not God be the Glory for He is the Creator and we vote with conviction as God is our leader as this nation was built. The signs are showing the fall of the world with Israel all alone in the latter day. IMHO I believe it was time for Gods prophecy to be fulfilled as being alone. We will see. I only pray for the peace of Jerusalem and that the Holy Spirit will come across this land and move people to humble themselves, repent and seek Jesus for their salvation. GOD IS IN CONTROL:yeah::yeah::yeah:
 

Editor1

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There is NO WAY that anyone can say with a straight face that Obama was choice for anyone Christian.... especially after the last 4 years...sorry not going to fly...

I'd rather have taken the obviously less evil path of Romney. The Democrats completely removed God/Israel from their platform and only put it back after they realized they were going to get roasted for it (over the strong objections of their national convention attendees).

Christians had a choice and it is quite clear that they voted for someone clearly opposed to their core beliefs. President Obama has repeatidly demonstated he does not care for Israel by supporting their enemies with American funds along with destabilizing the middle east.
You have a right to your opinion and to speak it freely without being attacked. Please extend the same courtesy to others who happen to hold differing views. Elections are complicated things and involve choices on a number of issues. Voters select a candidate whom they feel best reflects their views on what is important to them. Many, many voters (self included) may not agree with their chosen candidate on every single issue.
 

Robert

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There is NO WAY that anyone can say with a straight face that Obama was choice for anyone Christian.... especially after the last 4 years...sorry not going to fly...

I'd rather have taken the obviously less evil path of Romney. The Democrats completely removed God/Israel from their platform and only put it back after they realized they were going to get roasted for it (over the strong objections of their national convention attendees).

Christians had a choice and it is quite clear that they voted for someone clearly opposed to their core beliefs. President Obama has repeatidly demonstated he does not care for Israel by supporting their enemies with American funds along with destabilizing the middle east.

If you are convinced that I think Obama was a choice for anyone Christian, then either you didn't read my comment carefully, or didn't care and just posted whatever you felt like. Neither candidate is going to be much help for this nation, and either way, the Lord gave the US what she wanted: a president who would cater to her wishes.

And for the record: the republican party did the same thing. They sidelined the Lord, unless it was to win votes or to make points on issues. just because Romney supported 3 things that we agree with does not make him a "christian candidate". If they were so concerned for "Christian values", then why the deregulation of industries to the point where corporations could squeeze out the smaller businesses? I's as bad as Obama claiming that the businessmen of this nation didn't build their businesses.


Speaking of Obama: he is no prize either. He claims Christianity loosely, yet is friends with the enemies of Christianity and has done a job on this economy that will probably never be repaired. Not to mention committing negligent manslaughter via the whole Benghazi debacle.


If we want a candidate who is Christian and supports our values, maybe we should start by praying for one and returning to the values and principles of scripture rather than simply "going along" with the offerings the GOP and Democrats throw at us. If we are a "Christian nation" and so many claim to love the Lord, then where are the courageous men of God who are willing to take on the task of being leaders and standing for what is right in office? Because neither Romney nor Obama fit that bill. And to be quite frank, voting for someone just to get someone else you don't like out doesn't work. This train wreck of an election started well before the primaries, and if we were that terrified Obama was going to get a second term, then that was the time for someone who had better standing than Santorum or Romney to get into the race.
 

Joe B

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I know that American and what is happening there are, of course, close to your hearts.

I would like to say, however, that the same condemnations that have been made can equally be levied across the world. On some of the issues mentioned Europe has a worse record that America!

If the blame was just on American shoulders then maybe the end-times would still be far off but it is because it is a worldwide falling away that these times are now close.

Obama and American will not be the end times even if they do have a part, however significant, to play in them!
 

YeuEmMaiMai

Well-Known Member
If you are convinced that I think Obama was a choice for anyone Christian, then either you didn't read my comment carefully, or didn't care and just posted whatever you felt like. Neither candidate is going to be much help for this nation, and either way, the Lord gave the US what she wanted: a president who would cater to her wishes.

And for the record: the republican party did the same thing. They sidelined the Lord, unless it was to win votes or to make points on issues. just because Romney supported 3 things that we agree with does not make him a "christian candidate". If they were so concerned for "Christian values", then why the deregulation of industries to the point where corporations could squeeze out the smaller businesses? I's as bad as Obama claiming that the businessmen of this nation didn't build their businesses.


Speaking of Obama: he is no prize either. He claims Christianity loosely, yet is friends with the enemies of Christianity and has done a job on this economy that will probably never be repaired. Not to mention committing negligent manslaughter via the whole Benghazi debacle.


If we want a candidate who is Christian and supports our values, maybe we should start by praying for one and returning to the values and principles of scripture rather than simply "going along" with the offerings the GOP and Democrats throw at us. If we are a "Christian nation" and so many claim to love the Lord, then where are the courageous men of God who are willing to take on the task of being leaders and standing for what is right in office? Because neither Romney nor Obama fit that bill. And to be quite frank, voting for someone just to get someone else you don't like out doesn't work. This train wreck of an election started well before the primaries, and if we were that terrified Obama was going to get a second term, then that was the time for someone who had better standing than Santorum or Romney to get into the race.
When you are given 2 choices and one is clearly less evil than the other, you must by default choose the lesser of 2 evils. We had the primary selection process and we were given the Romney. That was our choice because as we now know not many Christians came out and selected a candidate.

To have voted for Obama was s slap in the face to the Lord as it meant one approves of what Obama is going overall: including advancing abortion, gay behavior, anti israel, anti american, and anti christian behavior.

We as Christians has a choice and it is quite obvious that there were many who absolutly made the wrong choice and now the party is really going to get started over here.

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