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Should women be pastors
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Pat
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I was wrong, yes prophetess is used in both Old and New Testaments but not of anyone in "the church" of whom I was speaking of. Anna in Luke and Jezebel in Rev. both named as propheteses, and six times as you said in the O.T.
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ZAGS
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Just out of curiosity, I wonder if women pastors preach on 1 Timothy 2:11-12...
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Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Does it hurt men more to give birth than it does a woman?Just out of curiosity, I wonder if women pastors preach on 1 Timothy 2:11-12...
mack_
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No better place to find the answer than in one of the “Pastoral Epistles” in which @Andy C has already quoted from.
I might only add 1 Timothy was written to teach church truth and church order. The key verse is 1 Timothy 3:15, “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
This epistle contains God’s standards for every church of every age. This is the divine blueprint and measuring stick.
Church order is very important. God has given us clear instructions about the church which are not to be ignored or slighted (1 Ti. 6:13-14). Where the Bible does not speak there is liberty, but where the Bible speaks, even to the smallest matter, there is no liberty.
At the heart of the epistle are the divine standards for church leaders (1 Ti. 3). It has been said that “everything rises and falls on leadership,” and this is largely true. A church cannot be right if its leaders are not right. A church will not rise above its leaders. From a practical standpoint, nothing is more important than maintaining God’s standards for church leaders. Godly, qualified men do not lead the churches astray into paths of heresy and worldliness, nor do they rule the churches after their own in the fashion of a Diotrephes (3 Jo. 9-10).”
I might only add 1 Timothy was written to teach church truth and church order. The key verse is 1 Timothy 3:15, “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
This epistle contains God’s standards for every church of every age. This is the divine blueprint and measuring stick.
Church order is very important. God has given us clear instructions about the church which are not to be ignored or slighted (1 Ti. 6:13-14). Where the Bible does not speak there is liberty, but where the Bible speaks, even to the smallest matter, there is no liberty.
At the heart of the epistle are the divine standards for church leaders (1 Ti. 3). It has been said that “everything rises and falls on leadership,” and this is largely true. A church cannot be right if its leaders are not right. A church will not rise above its leaders. From a practical standpoint, nothing is more important than maintaining God’s standards for church leaders. Godly, qualified men do not lead the churches astray into paths of heresy and worldliness, nor do they rule the churches after their own in the fashion of a Diotrephes (3 Jo. 9-10).”
Amethyst
Angie ... †
No. Speaking from a woman's perspective, I say uh....mm....just nope. 
Not a good idea. Negative.
Not a good idea. Negative. 
usoutpost31
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There are some areas where Christians are being persecuted and the men pastors are being arrested or killed. Serious leadership void and sometimes women, the martyrs widows are stepping up to lead the church. Sometimes teenagers too, in India and China I've heard of pastors as young as 14.
I would agree with the consensus here for the most part, but I think there can be exceptions based on church need.
I would agree with the consensus here for the most part, but I think there can be exceptions based on church need.
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Stepping up (as you say) in situations as you describe , in a leadership manner , yes, but not
as a female pastor.
The Scriptures are very clear about this.
Do you realize the slippery slope that would definitely exist with these "exceptions" you speak of ?
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Come quickly, Lord Jesus.
I guess that’s me from one extreme to another.
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This post is for the sake of women who are looking into this subject, to help give some clarity:
What I notice is that, while women were greatly honored by Jesus and were instrumental in his ministry in various ways, Jesus appointed men from the very start to be spiritual leaders of the Church, over men (and women and children).
There’s the often quoted passages which are more familiar with about women not being permitted to teach or have authority over men in church (like some passages below) and when I take this into consideration along with the whole of the New Testament and the consistent pattern reflected, I myself have concluded that as a woman, I would not be comfortable taking on a pastoral position as the bible seems to be pretty clear that God intends men taking up that role. However, that does not mean women are not important, quite the opposite! Women are vital in the roles God has ordained for them in family and in the church. In fact, women form a wonderful support and work within the Church as God calls them.
I think women can be used as excellent leaders in church. While the bible seems to simply put just this particular guideline with women and preaching, it does have many other ministry/leadership opportunities to engage in and strongly indicates women should be given respect and honor, but, I do not think that God intended women to be pastors and preaching sermons to congregations instructing men as well as women
I suspect women in the New Testament were probably sharing the Gospel, helping along with bringing the Gospel to the people of their towns…probably alongside their husbands and other men, some delivered very important letters of whom because of their work we have some of the New Testament that we see today. I also think that women, who were married to the Apostles and disciples were instrumental in this way too. But, when it comes to sermons within church, it’s clear that God has said let men preach the sermons to other men.
I can see all sort of things in scripture that inferential supports this.
I base my thoughts on several scriptural guidelines such as Timothy 2:11-12: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” In 1Timothy 2:8, the Apostle Paul precedes this verse in chapter two with: "In every place of worship………..." and then goes on describing aspects of worship in a church, indicating that these were also instructions intended for all churches, not just Timothy's. And this is consistent all through the New Testament through direct and indirect observations.
Furthermore, in chapter 3, the Apostle deals with Elders and Deacons stating that they must be men of one wife (notice, not wife of one husband or married to one spouse, 1Timothy 3:20-1Timothy 3:12). 1Timothy 3:5 states:"For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?", do you notice the gender here? And again, this is to be in every place of worship.
I notice how the Apostle Paul instructed Titus 1:5-9, he doesn’t address directly the gender of leadership but rather one can infer from his instructions the pattern God has put together who pastors churches, who are elders, etc.:
"I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and appoint elders in each town as I instructed you. An elder must live a blameless life. He must be faithful to his wife, and his children must be believers who don’t have a reputation for being wild or rebellious. An elder is a manager of God’s household, so he must live a blameless life. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered; he must not be a heavy drinker, violent, or dishonest with money."
Rather, he must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must love what is good. He must live wisely and be just. He must live a devout and disciplined life. He must have a strong belief in the trustworthy message he was taught; then he will be able to encourage others with wholesome teaching and show those who oppose it where they are wrong."
Here Paul instructs Titus to appoint male elders and over several churches, in all the towns (during his time, about 100), and the terminology he uses are masculine pronouns used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons. In addition, the fact that he tells Titus to use this format for all the churches and towns is another indicator that this was the format for all churches and pattern that God desired. Similar to the instructions to Timothy.
Acts give some insight as to how leadership was put together from the beginning as well, again, notice the genders of who's meeting to make important decisions for the church, here's Acts 6:2-4 " So the Twelve called a meeting of all the believers. They said, “We apostles should spend our time teaching the word of God, not running a food program. And so, brothers, select seven men who are well respected and are full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will give them this responsibility. Then we apostles can spend our time in prayer and teaching the word.”
In Acts 15:6-7 there is a meeting called to decide on how to instruct the Gentiles on a certain issue, notice carefully the gender of several church leaders that met together, and pattern that is laid out: " So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: “Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe."
Also, after this meeting, in Acts 15:22-23, there is another inference with a letter of the final decisions described. Here we see that men take on leadership in terms of Apostles/Elders. In fact, within the whole chapter describing this meeting, it's sprinkled all throughout, are the genders in attendance for decision making, or genders being referred to as males in prominent leadership roles:
"Then the apostles and elders together with the whole church in Jerusalem chose delegates, and they sent them to Antioch of Syria with Paul and Barnabas to report on this decision. The men chosen were two of the church leaders—Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas. This is the letter they took with them:
“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem. It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings!"
1Cor. 3 is addressing the divided church's pride in following certain church leaders who preach over others, notice they are all male, no females listed: "So don’t boast about following a particular human leader. For everything belongs to you—whether Paul or Apollos or Peter"
1Cor 9:5 also sheds further insight: "Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?" We can infer here that the other apostles, the Lord's brothers and Cephas are men. I have yet to read about female teaching leaders taking a believing husband along with them in the bible.
In regards to teaching it’s interesting that James addresses his ‘brothers’:
Do not become teachers in large numbers, my brothers, since you know that we who are teachers will incur a stricter judgment. James 3:1
Something else to consider is how Paul states 2 particular reasons why men are to be Pastors and Elders in authority over men, spiritually:
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. 1 Timothy 2:12-14
These reasons were not because of current cultural aspects at the time of this letter but points directly back to the very beginning of creation 1. Adam was created first (he’s the federal headship of mankind so to speak (and Jesus Christ is over the Church), 2. Eve was taken advantage of and deceived.
Now some would balk at this but what I see is a Godly order and also a Godly, protective care over women but not in a way that makes women less than man, for man is also subject to an authority, God Himself and is to treat the women in his life with gentleness, care and thoughtfulness:
Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
Ephesians 5:22-24
And, of course in this husbands:
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her…
Ephesians 5:25
And men are to treat other women:
Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, and to the younger men as brothers, 2 to the older women as mothers, and to the younger women as sisters, in all purity.
1 Timothy 5:1-3
With this being said, this doesn’t mean that only women can be deceived, men can too. Paul was very concerned about whole churches being deceived and in Acts here gathers the Elders together to warn them:
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore, be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.
Acts 20:28-31 (notice that he said that men will arise, this shows that 1. Men were to teach other men and 2. Men can also be deceived).
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his trickery, your minds will be led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, this you tolerate very well!
2 Cor 11:3-4
Galatians also were warned about false Gospels, a book in fact addressed to all the churches in Galatia. So, women are not the only ones who can be deceived. But it’s clear to me that God intends that the order of churches have the men teaching other men (and women and children) as pastors, and that they along with the church are in turn subject to Jesus Christ, who in turn submits to God the Father:
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50 And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”
John 12:49-50
But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.
24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:23-24
In addition, every book of the bible has been written by men which to me gives further support that men are to lead in the preaching and teaching of other men. That this is the pattern intended by God. I also notice that there are no letters written to women overseeing a church, nor books by women in the bible.
These are examples of my observation of the order it seems God intended for churches, established from the very beginning of the early church and how it’s reflected consistently throughout the New Testament. While men and women are equal in Christ, our roles and jobs are different in this Church Age. While men and women are both equally valuable to God, He desires a certain order in how things are to function so the church works as a united, efficient entity.
It's interesting to also notice Paul's tender address to the churches at times, to both woman and men as "Dear brothers and sisters....", and "So now, dear brothers and sisters...." indicating men and women's equal-ness and value in Christ and the Godly love equally disbursed to both genders by God. We are also told elsewhere that God is no respecter of persons, there's not a special, exclusive club with genders.
I know that there were prominent women in the New Testament who took on important leadership roles and from what I've studied, they served along side Deacons and Elders, but they do not take on Preaching to congregations or in churches. Certainly they were very important and crucial in God's use of them and these women should never be treated in a condescending, abusive, less than, or unimportant manner by the elders and pastors as that would not reflect Christ's own actions.
I like what something I read recently says on this subject: "Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them."
What I notice is that, while women were greatly honored by Jesus and were instrumental in his ministry in various ways, Jesus appointed men from the very start to be spiritual leaders of the Church, over men (and women and children).
There’s the often quoted passages which are more familiar with about women not being permitted to teach or have authority over men in church (like some passages below) and when I take this into consideration along with the whole of the New Testament and the consistent pattern reflected, I myself have concluded that as a woman, I would not be comfortable taking on a pastoral position as the bible seems to be pretty clear that God intends men taking up that role. However, that does not mean women are not important, quite the opposite! Women are vital in the roles God has ordained for them in family and in the church. In fact, women form a wonderful support and work within the Church as God calls them.
I think women can be used as excellent leaders in church. While the bible seems to simply put just this particular guideline with women and preaching, it does have many other ministry/leadership opportunities to engage in and strongly indicates women should be given respect and honor, but, I do not think that God intended women to be pastors and preaching sermons to congregations instructing men as well as women
I suspect women in the New Testament were probably sharing the Gospel, helping along with bringing the Gospel to the people of their towns…probably alongside their husbands and other men, some delivered very important letters of whom because of their work we have some of the New Testament that we see today. I also think that women, who were married to the Apostles and disciples were instrumental in this way too. But, when it comes to sermons within church, it’s clear that God has said let men preach the sermons to other men.
I can see all sort of things in scripture that inferential supports this.
I base my thoughts on several scriptural guidelines such as Timothy 2:11-12: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” In 1Timothy 2:8, the Apostle Paul precedes this verse in chapter two with: "In every place of worship………..." and then goes on describing aspects of worship in a church, indicating that these were also instructions intended for all churches, not just Timothy's. And this is consistent all through the New Testament through direct and indirect observations.
Furthermore, in chapter 3, the Apostle deals with Elders and Deacons stating that they must be men of one wife (notice, not wife of one husband or married to one spouse, 1Timothy 3:20-1Timothy 3:12). 1Timothy 3:5 states:"For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?", do you notice the gender here? And again, this is to be in every place of worship.
I notice how the Apostle Paul instructed Titus 1:5-9, he doesn’t address directly the gender of leadership but rather one can infer from his instructions the pattern God has put together who pastors churches, who are elders, etc.:
"I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and appoint elders in each town as I instructed you. An elder must live a blameless life. He must be faithful to his wife, and his children must be believers who don’t have a reputation for being wild or rebellious. An elder is a manager of God’s household, so he must live a blameless life. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered; he must not be a heavy drinker, violent, or dishonest with money."
Rather, he must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must love what is good. He must live wisely and be just. He must live a devout and disciplined life. He must have a strong belief in the trustworthy message he was taught; then he will be able to encourage others with wholesome teaching and show those who oppose it where they are wrong."
Here Paul instructs Titus to appoint male elders and over several churches, in all the towns (during his time, about 100), and the terminology he uses are masculine pronouns used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons. In addition, the fact that he tells Titus to use this format for all the churches and towns is another indicator that this was the format for all churches and pattern that God desired. Similar to the instructions to Timothy.
Acts give some insight as to how leadership was put together from the beginning as well, again, notice the genders of who's meeting to make important decisions for the church, here's Acts 6:2-4 " So the Twelve called a meeting of all the believers. They said, “We apostles should spend our time teaching the word of God, not running a food program. And so, brothers, select seven men who are well respected and are full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will give them this responsibility. Then we apostles can spend our time in prayer and teaching the word.”
In Acts 15:6-7 there is a meeting called to decide on how to instruct the Gentiles on a certain issue, notice carefully the gender of several church leaders that met together, and pattern that is laid out: " So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: “Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe."
Also, after this meeting, in Acts 15:22-23, there is another inference with a letter of the final decisions described. Here we see that men take on leadership in terms of Apostles/Elders. In fact, within the whole chapter describing this meeting, it's sprinkled all throughout, are the genders in attendance for decision making, or genders being referred to as males in prominent leadership roles:
"Then the apostles and elders together with the whole church in Jerusalem chose delegates, and they sent them to Antioch of Syria with Paul and Barnabas to report on this decision. The men chosen were two of the church leaders—Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas. This is the letter they took with them:
“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem. It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings!"
1Cor. 3 is addressing the divided church's pride in following certain church leaders who preach over others, notice they are all male, no females listed: "So don’t boast about following a particular human leader. For everything belongs to you—whether Paul or Apollos or Peter"
1Cor 9:5 also sheds further insight: "Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?" We can infer here that the other apostles, the Lord's brothers and Cephas are men. I have yet to read about female teaching leaders taking a believing husband along with them in the bible.
In regards to teaching it’s interesting that James addresses his ‘brothers’:
Do not become teachers in large numbers, my brothers, since you know that we who are teachers will incur a stricter judgment. James 3:1
Something else to consider is how Paul states 2 particular reasons why men are to be Pastors and Elders in authority over men, spiritually:
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. 1 Timothy 2:12-14
These reasons were not because of current cultural aspects at the time of this letter but points directly back to the very beginning of creation 1. Adam was created first (he’s the federal headship of mankind so to speak (and Jesus Christ is over the Church), 2. Eve was taken advantage of and deceived.
Now some would balk at this but what I see is a Godly order and also a Godly, protective care over women but not in a way that makes women less than man, for man is also subject to an authority, God Himself and is to treat the women in his life with gentleness, care and thoughtfulness:
Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
Ephesians 5:22-24
And, of course in this husbands:
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her…
Ephesians 5:25
And men are to treat other women:
Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, and to the younger men as brothers, 2 to the older women as mothers, and to the younger women as sisters, in all purity.
1 Timothy 5:1-3
With this being said, this doesn’t mean that only women can be deceived, men can too. Paul was very concerned about whole churches being deceived and in Acts here gathers the Elders together to warn them:
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore, be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.
Acts 20:28-31 (notice that he said that men will arise, this shows that 1. Men were to teach other men and 2. Men can also be deceived).
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his trickery, your minds will be led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, this you tolerate very well!
2 Cor 11:3-4
Galatians also were warned about false Gospels, a book in fact addressed to all the churches in Galatia. So, women are not the only ones who can be deceived. But it’s clear to me that God intends that the order of churches have the men teaching other men (and women and children) as pastors, and that they along with the church are in turn subject to Jesus Christ, who in turn submits to God the Father:
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50 And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”
John 12:49-50
But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.
24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:23-24
In addition, every book of the bible has been written by men which to me gives further support that men are to lead in the preaching and teaching of other men. That this is the pattern intended by God. I also notice that there are no letters written to women overseeing a church, nor books by women in the bible.
These are examples of my observation of the order it seems God intended for churches, established from the very beginning of the early church and how it’s reflected consistently throughout the New Testament. While men and women are equal in Christ, our roles and jobs are different in this Church Age. While men and women are both equally valuable to God, He desires a certain order in how things are to function so the church works as a united, efficient entity.
It's interesting to also notice Paul's tender address to the churches at times, to both woman and men as "Dear brothers and sisters....", and "So now, dear brothers and sisters...." indicating men and women's equal-ness and value in Christ and the Godly love equally disbursed to both genders by God. We are also told elsewhere that God is no respecter of persons, there's not a special, exclusive club with genders.
I know that there were prominent women in the New Testament who took on important leadership roles and from what I've studied, they served along side Deacons and Elders, but they do not take on Preaching to congregations or in churches. Certainly they were very important and crucial in God's use of them and these women should never be treated in a condescending, abusive, less than, or unimportant manner by the elders and pastors as that would not reflect Christ's own actions.
I like what something I read recently says on this subject: "Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them."
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Amethyst
Angie ... †
A lot of times in liberal sects of Lutheran and Episcopalian churches that is true.
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
And now some Methodist churches as well.
This is what happens when churches get loose with the Scriptures.
Start making " exceptions".
usoutpost31
Well-Known Member
I realize sometimes exceptions need to be made. Some believers around the world are experiencing vastly different circumstances than we are.
God will judge rightly. I pray he blesses these wonderful examples of faith.
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Friend you are not the arbriter in regards to exceptions.
It is your opinion that exceptions exist in regards to this topic , which you can not Scripturally back up.
Just because someone has the title pastor doesn't make them a pastor, muchless God called.
God doesn't contradict His Holy Word.
What else and where else can we make exceptions in regards to God's Word?
Can transgenders be a pastor?
lightofmylife
Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!
I agree Gods
word is absolute truth no exceptions. He has the final authority not our opinions or anyone elses.
rks7777
Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the terrific responses. I value all of your thoughts on this subject. My answer on this subject has always been No, women should not be pastors. But I was thinking about some today during our service and I wanted to get some input from all you fine people. Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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Come quickly, Lord Jesus.
I say, it shouldn’t be.
daygo
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Heard a good sermon once in 2005 in worthing where I used to live, on women in leadership, and being against women in leadership but still don't know isn't there something in acts about I think pricilla, thinking she must have had some sort of leadership role or am I wrong.
ItIsFinished!
Blood bought child of the King of kings.
Just keep in mind , this thread isn't about women in leadership roles . It is whether or not they could be a pastor.
Which has been established by The Word of God that they cannot be. This is clearly taught.
As stated by me and others , we are one in Christ, therefore we are equal in Christ.
(Galations 3:28)
Wally
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It is not His desire or design. No.
But if men refuse to do His will, God will raise up women to do the work.
Although not pastors, I suspect many women have done and continue to do that work without the title, nor do they seek it.
But if men refuse to do His will, God will raise up women to do the work.
Although not pastors, I suspect many women have done and continue to do that work without the title, nor do they seek it.
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