Should women be pastors

[rks7777]

Yes or No question. Trying to wrap my brain around 1 Timothy 2:11,12. Is it referring to wife’s instructing husbands or is it more than that? Opinions are appreciated. Not trying to offend and certainly I’m not suggesting men are superior. It’s in the Bible so it’s there for a reason and I want to get a handle on it. Thanks, Bob

 

[Tall Timbers]

I believe no. But Deborah judged Israel, so it's possible God could make exceptions. Men are definitely not superior to women. God has given each of the genders roles and responsibilities to live out in this life that are different from each other but that both glorify God while making for good living.

 

[lightofmylife]

Yes or No question. Trying to wrap my brain around 1 Timothy 2:11,12. Is it referring to wife’s instructing husbands or is it more than that? Opinions are appreciated. Not trying to offend and certainly I’m not suggesting men are superior. It’s in the Bible so it’s there for a reason and I want to get a handle on it. Thanks, Bob

No, It is to do with Gods specific order man was created first and then woman. Eve was the one to be deceived by the serpent. A woman has her role and it is not to be a pastor in the church. The woman is not to usurp authority over man, but to be in silence.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

The answer is clearly no.

 

[Andy C]

No. The bible is clear on this, yet some churches ignore the plain reading of scripture and allow Women to be lead Pastors.

1 Timothy 3
3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling theirchildren and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[mphsmom]

No.

 

[Bethlehem57]

Yes or No question. Trying to wrap my brain around 1 Timothy 2:11,12. Is it referring to wife’s instructing husbands or is it more than that? Opinions are appreciated. Not trying to offend and certainly I’m not suggesting men are superior. It’s in the Bible so it’s there for a reason and I want to get a handle on it. Thanks, Bob

No. Absolutely no! For the BiBible tells me so! I’m a woman…yes, I can define it

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12)

….and while women back at this time were uneducated, nowhere does the Bible mention educational status for men or women!

And yes, in the OT, God did set aside, in special cases, women like Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah, that was before the Church and not for now.

 

[JSTyler]

Yes...


...to all of the posts above mine that state that the answer is a definitive no.


Couldn't help myself


That said, my wife has taught me immeasurable volumes about, God, love, grave, mercy, life and living and pretty much everything imaginable that I would likely never have known otherwise. She ain't no pastor but she sure is a treasure.

 

[daygo]

Not bothered myself.

 

[Pat]

No. However, to understand these verses we must see them and interpret them in context. There is some confusion in the church about all this. Some teach strictly that women should never speak in church at all, then on the other end we see women "pastors." Paul taught that "in Christ" we are all equal.
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:27-28 There is not a hiearchy of importance between males and females. Each has specific roles and ministries they are to function in. There is a hiearchy in authority though.

"Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God." 1 Corinthians 11:2-16

This isn't so much about the formality of head coverings for women as it is about showing proper authority to those God has set over us to respect, and to recognize those in authority over us. God has set up equality between men and women as far as importance in their persons and ministries; one not being more important than another. (See 1 Corinthians 12:19-26)

There are differences in ROLES between males and females. As you referenced 1 Timothy 2:11-12, women are not to usurp authority over a man. They can teach other women and children but not be in a position of authority in teaching scripture where men are present. That is not to say men can't learn from women as the brother pointed out above, amen. It is the issue of authority that God emphasizes.

God names women as both decon-esses and prophet-esses. Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant [deaconess] of the church which is at Cenchrea:" Acts 2:18 "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 21:8-9 "...and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy." I am not dogmatic one way or the other about women prophesying "in church" but am inclined that for a woman to speak unto "edification, exhortation and comfort..." in a humble spirit would be acceptable at times. I've heard Elizabeth Elliot speak this way and did not feel she was usurping any man's authority in doing so. But I learned much from her.

There is much more that could be said on this matter, but these are my thoughts. I hope this helps you. Blessings.

 

[Tasman]

Yes.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

God names women as both decon-esses and prophet-esses. Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant [deaconess] of the church which is at Cenchrea:

I do not see " deacon-esses" in The Word of God.
The word servant in Romans 16:1 does not equate " deaconess.

There is no qualifications for deaconess in the
Bible because that position does not exist for women.

Pastor and deacon are reserved for men only.

That said , we are all equal in Christ Jesus.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Yes.

How so?

 

[seated with Christ]

Whenever I see a woman clergy person I automatically think - lesbian for right or wrong.

 

[Spartan Sprinter 1]

Whenever I see a woman clergy person I automatically think - lesbian for right or wrong.

That's a bit extreme Ronnie LOL!!!

Maybe a small portion might be, buy the overall reason is most likely that they're apostate churches

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Whenever I see a woman clergy person I automatically think - lesbian for right or wrong.

What is your answer to the OP's question?

 

[Spartan Sprinter 1]

A no for me, the scriptures have already been quoted by you guys as to why i base my reasons as no.

 

[Pat]

I do not see " deacon-esses" in The Word of God.
The word servant in Romans 16:1 does not equate " deaconess.

There is no qualifications for deaconess in the
Bible because that position does not exist for women.

Pastor and deacon are reserved for men only.

That said , we are all equal in Christ Jesus.

Those words per-se are not named in scripture but the word "Diakonos" in Greek simply means minister, or servant, of which we see many women as servants or as I put it "deaconesses";i.e. those women who are given to serving the church. Just look at who does most of the work at our church pot-lucks etc. What I don't say is that they may hold the OFFICE of deacon, which is a different thing altogether. They may not, so in that sense I totally agree with you.
Neither is the word Prophetess in scripture but Philip's daughters did prophesy and that is all I am saying. Were they allowed to prophesy in public? I don't know, but scripture teaches they shouldn't usurp authority if so. Thanks for letting me clarify.

 

[Spartan Sprinter 1]

Those words per-se are not named in scripture but the word "Diakonos" in Greek simply means minister, or servant, of which we see many women as servants or as I put it "deaconesses";i.e. those women who are given to serving the church. Just look at who does most of the work at our church pot-lucks etc. What I don't say is that they may hold the OFFICE of deacon, which is a different thing altogether. They may not, so in that sense I totally agree with you.
Neither is the word Prophetess in scripture but Philip's daughters did prophesy and that is all I am saying. Were they allowed to prophesy in public? I don't know, but scripture teaches they shouldn't usurp authority if so. Thanks for letting me clarify.

Doesn't Luke say that there was a prophetess called Anna?

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Those words per-se are not named in scripture but the word "Diakonos" in Greek simply means minister, or servant, of which we see many women as servants or as I put it "deaconesses";i.e. those women who are given to serving the church. Just look at who does most of the work at our church pot-lucks etc. What I don't say is that they may hold the OFFICE of deacon, which is a different thing altogether. They may not, so in that sense I totally agree with you.
Neither is the word Prophetess in scripture but Philip's daughters did prophesy and that is all I am saying. Were they allowed to prophesy in public? I don't know, but scripture teaches they shouldn't usurp authority if so. Thanks for letting me clarify.

My concern wasn't prophetess, that term is Scriptural and in The Word of God eight times.

I do appreciate you responding Pat.
Thank you.