Should a Christian own a gun?

Jonathan

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We have a Ruger SR22 4.5" barrel it is a re-designed Walther P22, very fun and economical for sure, ours really likes the CCI Mini Mag rounds that cost about $8 per 100 rounds but can be hard to find at times.. With a .22 the dirtier the ammo is the more chance for a jam to occur, there are many rounds our Ruger does not like and all .22 ammo is dirty after firing, just that some is more so. Mary likes shooting the Ruger but does not like working the slide or cocking the hammer.
PPS - Ever shot .22 suppressed?
 

chaser

We trust you Jesus, you are the only King forever!
A family member has a .22 with suppressor , basically all you hear is the clicking/action of the firearm, need to use laser sighting though or a raised Red Dot as Suppressor blocks front sight.
 

Annie

Be A Berean!
I agree. We did not have any guns until our kids were grown up. We have them now because we like to target shoot and for protection.
To be honest I'm not overly fond of guns or when I have to use one.
However, to protect ourselves, especially now, we need guns do we not.
As a teen I read a book written by a queen (I want to say Swedish?) and how their country was overthrown when guns were no longer allowed there.
Need I say more.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
The first things tyrants/tyrants-to-be do is disarm the populace :mad
  • 1911: Turkey; citizens disarmed – 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered
  • 1929: Russia; citizens disarmed – 20 million Russians murdered
  • 1935: China; citizens disarmed – 20 million Chinese killed
  • 1938: Germany; citizens disarmed – 6 million Jews murdered
  • 1956: Cambodia; citizens disarmed – 1 million “intellectuals” killed
  • 1964: Guatemala; citizens disarmed – 100,000 Mayan Indians massacred
  • 1970: Uganda; citizens disarmed – 300,000 Christians put to death
https://foac-pac.org/When-A-Population-Is-Disarmed:-A-Brief-History-Of-Tyranny/News-Item/7301


One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms.
Joseph Story

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.”
Adolf Hitler

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Lenin

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party,
Mao Tze Tung

There is freedom of speech, but but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.
Idi Amin

(Disarming of citizens) has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces totally destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power of protecting themselves, and of discerning the cause of their oppression.
Joel Barlow

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Thomas Jefferson

Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. Prohibition of firearms is the goal.
Janet Reno
 

Amity

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I believe it was in Luke where Jesus himself said if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

I agree with others who said to take stock in your own mentality and temperament before getting it. If you do, become as familiar and comfortable with it like you built it yourself.

I'm going to tell you my story that brought me to the choice to carry. In college, I had a classmate that was obviously a bit off, started stalking me. For months, he followed me around campus, around town, called and came up to my work, called me all hours of the night. I lived off campus in a neighboring town with my grandparents, and would frequently see him drive by the house or leave 'gifts' by the door. He would not stop. I reported it to campus security. They couldn't have cared less. I reported it to the city police. They said until he harms me or threatens harm, they couldn't do anything. One night during his fifth call in a row I finally picked up and cursed at him. He said if I wouldn't be with him he was going to kill himself. I yelled "Good! Maybe then I can get some sleep!" A few days go by and I didn't see him. I thought maybe he got the hint. Wrong. I was on campus late getting back from an away volleyball tournament. I had gone to a friends dorm room for a bit to chat and then started walking across campus to where my jeep had been parked all day (yellow, stood out like a sore thumb....I still have it.) The top was off and I walked up to the driver's side and threw my backpacks in the backseat. At that moment, an arm went around my neck and a knife was held up in front of my face. It was him. He told me to get in the jeep. I hesitated, tried to get him to talk. I knew if I went wherever he wanted to take me....that was it. My hands were on the top of the rear fender. Trying to think of something i could use to defend myself, I remembered I had a 4 way tire iron lodged between the backseat and the inside of the fender. I had gotten tired of listening to it bang around in the back so I stuck it there just a day or two before. I grabbed it, and as quickly as I could, swung it over my head and clubbed him with it. It was just hard enough to make him stumble backwards, in the process putting a nasty cut right under my right eye. I turned and hit him again and didn't let up until he was on the ground. I took off running back toward the dorms screaming for help the whole way. Some guys where out and came running up. At that point my face was covered in tears and blood. They took me to my friend's dorm building lobby and called 911 and campus security. Campus security didn't do or say much, but the cop that showed up was the same one I had spoken with before. He was really upset. They found him. He was arrested and taken to one hospital where he needed stitches on his scalp and temple, I was taken to a different hospital where they dissinfected but only taped the cut temporarily so I could get to a plastic surgeon the next day. He was charged with assault with a deadly weapon and a few others. He served a few years, but not much. I get texas victim information updates every few years on where he is. Last I heard he lived and worked as a janitor in a state hospital for mental patients.

I carried a knife and pepper spray after that religiously, and once I was 21 I got my concealed carry. Since then, I have acquired a couple of handguns, a sig 1911 9mm that is too big to reasonably carry, a .45 handgun that is small but definitely packs a punch, a rutger 10/.22 rifle that is cheap and easy to go plinking at the range, and Victoria, my pride a joy AR-15. I posted in another thread earlier about the protesters and my run in with them today. I open carry now, and they still approached me and were very rude and ugly. A kept walking after saying my bit and I guess that's when they noticed my back waistband holster. The poor old lady behind me,, they lit in to her with such hatred when she only said the same I did, that all lives matter. I walked back to the lady and asked if she would like an escort past these people. I took her arm and walked with her until we got into the store.

In summary, yes, I think everyone has the right to defend themselves and their families. There is a lot of hatred and evil in this fallen world. Unfortunately, not everyone is equipped with the mentality to handle them responsibly and know when it is appropriate to use. In many states, you cant pull a gun and shoot someone in a burglary or robbery, only when a life is actually at stake (edit to add:) or physical harm. Make sure you learn the laws in your state as well.
 
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Andy C

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For those who feel a little uncomfortable with a gun in your house, and the thought of ever having to use it, I suggest this.

Put a sign in front of your house that says “if you’re going to break in to this gun owners home, you need to make sure you know Jesus, then tell Him you will see Him in a few minutes”
 

Matthew6:33

Withstand in the evil day. Eph 6:13
Jesus said in Luke 22:36, " Then He said to them, ‘But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. ’ "

Ultimately, it will be God Almighty who decides your fate. But a Glock 17 doesn't hurt, either.
Great choice for home defense! All you need to do is put some nice night sights on it!
 

JamesSuth

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I believe it was in Luke where Jesus himself said if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Good point! Glad to hear you were able to defend yourself in that situation. Thank the Lord that he gave you the right tool to hand, and the mind to know what to do.

Here in the UK it is not legal to carry a gun, for that matter anything - not even a pepper spray :rolleyes:, but it's been interesting hearing all the thoughts on here. It is a dangerous world and I see no harm in being prepared and equipped. Thankfully I live in a rural and fairly safe area, but I do consider what action could be taken in an emergency whether that would be a kitchen knife, car tool or whatever would come to hand.

I think Amity's story has an important point, if attacked don't stop your defense. If she had hesitated after the first blow he would have continued his attack.
 

pixelpusher

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Well, gotta pitch in my 2¢. I didn't want to own a gun for years because I didn't want to accept the responsibility. But when things started going sideways in general, I re-thought that.

A gun is the kind of tool that if you need it, you need it *now* and little else will do. If it's locked up or left at home, it might as well be on Mars.

If you need it, and you draw it, you must be prepared to use it, otherwise no point getting it out. There are no warning shots or shooting to injure. Pain compliance is not dependable. If you need to pokerize a fool, you shoot center mass and don't stop shooting until the threat is stopped. Firing controlled pairs, you have a half a second to evaluate need to continue firing, and re-acquire the target if needed. Don't just dump the mag.

The rough thing is, most of us don't get to do stress training. Adrenaline will be a big factor. Dry-firing practice and visualization may help.

Also, situational awareness and just plumb avoidance goes a long way.

For anyone who has trouble racking a slide from weak grip, there are doohickeys available to attach, like rings, t-bars etc. to give some mechanical advantage.

Try before you buy. You can debate caliber all day long but the best gun is the one you can handle and shoot well. That's one reason an AR15 is such an excellent home defense rifle, just so doggone easy to shoot and be accurate with.

Finally, about mace. Before we were married, my wife was a Domino's driver in school. She carried a can of mace in the car between the seat and e-brake. She carried that can for so long I reckon it just wore out, or the car got too hot in the sun, because one day the mace exploded. For months after that, if you sat down too hard in the car seat, mace would puff up and getcha. lol.
 
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