Senate blocks "Born Alive" Bill

Lovin Jesus

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The Senate voted Monday to block consideration of a measure that would punish any doctor who fails to provide medical care to a child born alive after an attempted abortion.
All but three Democrats voted against a procedural motion on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, denying it the necessary 60 votes to proceed. The final vote count was 53 in favor and 44 opposed.
The bill would require a health-care practitioner to “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child” as he or she would to “any other child born alive at the same gestational age.” The bill includes criminal penalties, a right of civil action for an affected mother and a mandatory reporting requirement for other health providers.

Opponents of the bill argued that it represented an unjustified attack on abortion rights, preventing doctors from exercising their best medical judgment and exposing them to possible lawsuits or prosecution.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has sought to put Democrats — and 2020 candidates in particular — on the record on the issue after recent comments made by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D). McConnell also plans to hold a vote in the coming weeks on the Green New Deal climate change legislation as he has cast the Democrats as extreme.
In remarks on the Senate floor ahead of Monday’s vote, McConnell described the measure as “a straightforward piece of legislation to protect newborn babies.” Democrats, he argued, “seem to be suggesting that newborn babies’ right to life may be contingent on the circumstances surrounding their birth.”

“So my colleagues across the aisle need to decide where they’ll take their cues on these moral questions. On the one hand, there are a few extreme voices who decided some newborn lives are more disposable than others. On the other side is the entire rest of the country,” McConnell said.
A group of House Republicans, led by House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), walked across the Capitol to the Senate side in a show of support for their colleagues in the other chamber.
President Trump targeted the Democrats for attack after the vote. “Senate Democrats just voted against legislation to prevent the killing of newborn infant children. The Democrat position on abortion is now so extreme that they don’t mind executing babies AFTER birth,” Trump wrote in a message on Twitter. “This will be remembered as one of the most shocking votes in the history of Congress. If there is one thing we should all agree on, it’s protecting the lives of innocent babies.”

The mostly Republican supporters of the bill say that new state-level legislation that has sought to remove barriers to late-term abortions necessitate federal action. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), the bill’s author, has described it as an “infanticide ban” that aims to protect innocent newborns.
“I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we’re okay with infanticide,” Sasse said on the Senate floor Monday. “It is too blunt for many people in this body, but frankly, that is what we’re talking about here today. . . . Are we a country that protects babies that are alive, born outside the womb after having survived a botched abortion?”
But that characterization has infuriated abortion rights supporters, who note that infanticide is already illegal and argue that Sasse’s bill is actually meant to dissuade doctors from performing late-term abortions in the first place.

“We must call out today’s vote for what it is: a direct attack on women’s health and rights,” Leana Wen, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in a statement. “This legislation is based on lies and a misinformation campaign, aimed at shaming women and criminalizing doctors for a practice that doesn’t exist in medicine or reality.”
Several medical groups, including the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Medical Women’s Association and the American Public Health Association, also have publicly opposed the bill, saying in a recent letter to senators that it “represents a dangerous government intrusion into private health-care decisions.”
Three Democrats — Sens. Robert P. Casey Jr. (Pa.), Joe Manchin III (W.Va.) and Doug Jones (Ala.) — joined all Republicans present in supporting the measure.

All of the announced 2020 Democratic presidential candidates — Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Kamala D. Harris (Calif.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) — voted “no.”
The Republican push to pass these bills follows efforts in New York and Virginia to roll back restrictions surrounding late-term abortions, which represent a small minority of hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in the United States each year. Those abortions, experts say, typically are prompted by concerns for the mother’s health or fetal abnormalities.
According to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1.3 percent of abortions in 2015 were performed at 21 weeks of gestation or later. About 91 percent took place at or before 13 weeks of gestation.

The issue was thrust further into the national debate when Northam discussed in a January radio interview what would happen if a child were born after a failed abortion attempt. “The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,” he said — a statement that many Republicans cast as endorsement of infanticide.
That included Trump, who said in his State of the Union address that Northam “basically stated he would execute a baby after birth.” Since then, House Republicans have attempted, and failed, to get a bill similar to Sasse’s taken up in the Democratic-controlled chamber. McConnell, meanwhile, scheduled valuable Senate floor time to put that chamber’s Democrats on the record on the issue.
In response, Democratic lawmakers have made an aggressive and often-exasperated case that infanticide is already illegal and that the “born alive” bills are a stalking horse for more-thorough abortion restrictions.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) described the bill Monday as “clearly anti-doctor, anti-woman and anti-family.”
“It has no place becoming law. Its proponents claim it would make something illegal that is already illegal,” Murray said on the Senate floor. She added that the legislation would “do nothing except help Republicans advance their goal of denying women their constitutionally protected rights.”

It is so dispicable that these politicians dont see these babies as human. All they focus on is a womans "reproductive rights" with no regard for the life they are determined to kill even if that baby is born alive and viable. What does it take for them to recognize the right for a baby to live? And yet most of these very politicians supported the laws that if someone murders a pregnant woman and the unborn baby dies the killer is charged with a double homicide. No sense.
 
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Andy C

Reborn to fly
No surprise, just sadness for the sick folks on the left.

When I think about the million or more babies killed annually by abortion, I try and stay positive. I know that because of this evil deadly procedure, a million or more new saints will arrive in Heaven every year for eternity with Him. Never spending any time out of the womb, never having the need to repent, and straight to be with Him.
 
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twerpv

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No surprise, just sadness for the sick folks on the left.

When I think about the million or more babies killed annually by abortion, I try and stay positive. I know that because of this evil deadly procedure, a million or more new saints will arrive in Heaven for eternity with Him. Never spending any time out of the womb, never having the need to repent, and straight to be with Him.
Andy, I should have added abortion murderers to the list re: burning in Hell forever. Missed that group.
 

JoyJoyJoy

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:gaahone part that really burns me up is calling this *women's health*. I am going to leave it at that for now.
Except to say, this is yet another evil women have fought long and hard for. Why oh why are women so foolish??
 

antitox

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People are so easily brainwashed today. In my day, people thought for themselves. People today just swallow what ever they are fed with no critical thought. All the years prior, the public has been dumbed down in a lot of ways. Media, opinion, PC, endless propagandizing, lousy schools (and really lousy professors), etc has weakened their minds. So now, anything they want to push, they'll use the same tools and tactics to get everybody in line. It's so sad.
 

depserv

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Those who can be led to support this mass murder of the most innocent among us would have been goose-stepping with the rest of the Nazis in WWII era Germany, all the way to the death camps where they would have followed orders to turn on the gas valve. Those of us speaking out against it likely would have been speaking out against the Nazis (but only until we were rounded up and sent to the death camps as enemies of the state).

I don't see how anyone can seriously claim that this has anything to do with the health of the mother. Once the baby has been born it's outside of its mother and nothing about it can harm her then (assuming she wants to abandon her responsibility for the baby). Except killing it; that can harm here emotionally for the rest of her life. But how can not killing it harm her? If she wants to get out of her responsibility at that point she can, so that as far as she is concerned the baby no longer exists. If she doesn't want it, how does it being dead instead of being alive in a loving home harm her health?

Pro-abortion people try to justify what they do by saying that in their opinion the baby is not a human being. It's a fetus or a zygote or something but it is not a living human being. I have asked whether according to liberal dogma the baby is not living, or not human, and I haven't gotten a good answer yet, but somehow the combination of living and human does not register with them. This is an old tactic of the murderer, it's called dehumanizing your victim.

If they can dehumanize the most innocent among us and slaughter them in such huge numbers, just because the baby comes along at an inconvenient time, do you think they could just as easily dehumanize those they deem deplorable?
 
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mattfivefour

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Unfortunately for the argument of those who justify abortion by saying that fetuses are just a bunch of cells, when the "fetus" is born it is actually a living child. Yet, they still say that child should be killed. They are willfully blind and will be condemned to Hell forever ... unless they repent.
 

yrrek

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“Opponents of the bill argued that it represented an unjustified attack on abortion rights, preventing doctors from exercising their best medical judgment and exposing them to possible lawsuits or prosecution.”

Once the child is born it is no longer part of the woman... so.... I don’t understand how treating a child after a failed abortion is an attack on abortion. That makes no sense. If they failed they failed. There’s no reason to continue the death. I mean there’s really no reason before either but this should take away all the arguments they have. But no... they come up with half-baked excuses. I’m so fed up with this garbage.
 

Channah

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I read this, please share:

In a mother’s womb were two babies.

One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?”

The other replied: “Why of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will ask later.”

“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”

The second said, “I do not know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we cannot now understand.”

The first replied, “that is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”

The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we will not need this physical cord anymore.”

The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover, if there is life, then why has no one ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”

The second responded, “Well, I do not know, but certainly we will meet mother and she will take care of us.”

The first said, “Mother? You actually believe in mother? That’s laughable. If mother exists, then where is she now?”

The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of her. It is of her that we live. Without her this world would not and could not exist.”

The first said, “Well I do not see her, so it is only logical that she does not exist.”

The second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive her presence, and you can hear her loving voice calling down from above.”

-Pablo Luis Molinero (Originally written in Spanish
 

mikhen7

Freed By Christ to Serve Christ
Isaiah 5:13–24 (NKJV)

13 Therefore my people have gone into captivity,
Because they have no knowledge;
Their honorable men are famished,
And their multitude dried up with thirst.
14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself
And opened its mouth beyond measure;
Their glory and their multitude and their pomp,
And he who is jubilant, shall descend into it.
15 People shall be brought down,
Each man shall be humbled,
And the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.
16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.
17 Then the lambs shall feed in their pasture,
And in the waste places of the fat ones strangers shall eat.

18 Woe to those who draw iniquity with cords of vanity,
And sin as if with a cart rope;
19 That say, “Let Him make speed and hasten His work,
That we may see it;
And let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come,
That we may know it.”

20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

22 Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,
23 Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!

24 Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble,
And the flame consumes the chaff,
So their root will be as rottenness,
And their blossom will ascend like dust;
Because they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts,
And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
 
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