Russian army orders horses for paratrooper division (August 2013 article)

[SafReb]

Some have pointed out that Russian tanks are made out of something called lignastone, a composite that burns so hot that one can actually burn a tank as fuel. Many guns and rifles, and most notably the AK-47 assault rifle so popular in third world nations, have wooden stocks.

But I think that we should consider nuclear weapons as these weapon-grade uranium and plutonium can now be converted and burn as a source of fuel, called MOX fuel.

According to World Nuclear Association:
Weapons-grade uranium and plutonium surplus to military requirements in the USA and Russia is being made available for use as civil fuel.

This article (paywall), written in 2015, states "On April 14, Turkey broke ground on its first nuclear power plant, a controversial $20 billion project in Akkuyu on the Mediterranean coast. Like Iran’s Bushehr plant, the only operational nuclear power reactor in the Middle East, the reactor at Akkuyu will be constructed by Russia. Moscow’s Middle Eastern sales drive doesn’t end there. It extends to recent nuclear cooperation agreements of varying degrees with Egypt, Jordan, Algeria and Saudi Arabia.

With little notice, Russia is on the verge of becoming the nuclear Wal-Mart of the Middle East. But if across the region Russian nuclear exports come with many advantages, they also raise significant concerns for the international community, including on oversight and regulation."

Military Warheads as a Source of Nuclear Fuel

Russia's Nuclear Fuel Cycle

 

[Tall Timbers]

Can you or anyone else can add to the accuracy of this? I'd like to look into this and investigate. Maybe Tall Timbers, Andy C, or others in military could respond to this.
Thanks!

That would be a difficult task for radar, but satellite cameras can probably track calvary if one or more is tasked to do so.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

That would be a difficult task for radar, but satellite cameras can probably track calvary if one or more is tasked to do so.

and as we know, cell phones are *everywhere*
and people post *everything* on social media as soon as they video it

this sounds like a yt or sm post that'd go viral . . .

 

[Jonathan]

Surely radar would not pick up a cavalry as it is below radar. Planes fly low to stay below radar and undetected don’t they?

My understanding is that most if not all modern military strike aircraft have radars that can "ground scan." It is one of many ways they can acquire their targets.

 

[newtofaith]

Poor horses.

 

[Burnboss]

Radar alone would be worthless for ground targeting due to ground clutter. Unless you wanted to know how fast they were traveling. IR is a much better tool for detecting live objects such as humans, animal’s even most vehicles with warm engines. This is why military uses two or three different types of detection equipment on board.

The benefit of horses is the ability to move quickly over rough terrain and possible blend in with the local animal herds.
A horse can still out run and maneuver better than a truck/jeep/ hummer in many areas.

 

[RonJohnSilver]

Paratroopers aren't going to be taking their horses on drops so the animals will need to be in place when the soldiers arrive. How is that going to happen? They truck/train the horses to the war zone, feed, protect them until the troops arrive? I can't see a large scale operation using only horses, maybe as supplemental once the area is secured but, God is God so if He says only horses then I guess that's how it'll play out.

 

[Footsteps]

Vlad has always dreamed of leading an army on horseback wearing no shirt. His scientists are genetically designing radar deflecting stealth horses. Project Nazgul is focusing on vertical take off engines which will enable this invisible cavalry to take off and land on any terrain. The most dedicated elite squads are capable of flying through windows and landing inside enemy headquarters where the stealthy steeds will employ operation Cossack Caca and drop steroid enhanced horse flop throughout the building. The original name for this operation was Squad Squat but it was learned that America already had a similar elite team in Congress riding brooms.

 

[Kerbluey]

The armies are destroyed in the mountains. Somewhere recently I read the best way to approach through those mountains is actually on horseback due to the terrain. It was probably in Footsteps of the Messiah since I’m reading that, but I can’t find the page.

 

[Bethlehem57]

Here is an article about the horse soldiers in Afghanistan.

https://military.com/undertheradar/2017/05/legion-brothers-fighting-horseback-afghanistan

Best I could do for you in a pinch.

link do work...any other source? Interesting.

 

[Dragontiger777]

Maybe Ezekiel literally meant that their would be horses in this battle ?

Could be Horse or Bike or Motorcycle or Camel.....ummmm

 

[caligal]

The bible says horses.

 

[The Saint]

Paratroopers? Seriously? They're gonna push horses out of planes?

 

[Flyfisher]

Paratroopers? Seriously? They're gonna push horses out of planes?

Paratroopers or pair of poopers. Can you imagine getting hit by horse poop falling out of the sky.

 

[athenasius]

well actually the Bible says Leapers. It is a term that includes horses, but also includes other things that jump or leap or gallop. If we were to properly translate the term into old English it might be better termed "things that carry people very fast and leap and gallop ahead".

But time honoured tradition in translation says horses.

However the term is also used in modern Hebrew for some tanks I've heard.

I wish I could look it up on eSword but George switched to a new computer and I can't get eSword to work. I'm rushing to cook dinner or I'd look it up in Strongs but it may help those of you who are worried that reading anything but an actual horse type horse into the text might be wrong.

The term is a much more encompassing one that our word "horse" and embraces more than just a standard variety hayburner as my grandad used to call them.

 

[athenasius]

George fixed it. Give a man biscuits and homemade chicken soup and he can move mountains.

Here is my esword with Ez 38:4 where we see those horses:

And I will turn thee back, H7725  and put H5414  hooks H2397  into thy jaws, H3895  and I will bring thee forth, H3318  ( H853 ) and all H3605  thine army, H2428  horses H5483  and horsemen, H6571  all H3605  of them clothed H3847  with all sorts H4358  of armour, even a great H7227  company H6951  with bucklers H6793  and shields, H4043  all H3605  of them handling H8610  swords: H2719 

The word HORSES H5483 is this
sûs sûs

soos, soos

From an unused root meaning to skip (properly for joy); a horse(as leaping); also a swallow (from its rapid flight): - crane, horse ([-back, -hoof]). Compare H6571.

and Horsemen is H6571 which is this:
pârâsh

paw-rawsh'

From H6567; a steed (as stretched out to a vehicle, not single nor for mounting (compare H5483)); also (by implication) a driver(in a chariot), that is, (collectively) cavalry: - horseman.


So the word for horses also can mean something that FLIES RAPIDLY, or a horse, or something that skips or leaps

and the word for HORSEMEN means vehicle, that is NOT singular for mounting but rather something that is driven by a driver, and is a collective which gets us back to the idea of a crew inside a cockpit or a tank. It includes the idea of a chariot driver with more than one occupant in that vehicle.

This doesn't abuse scripture or the literal meaning of the scripture at all.

 

[athenasius]

Verse 9 of Ezekiel chapter 38 hints at an airborne force as we see here:
Thou shalt ascend H5927  and come H935  like a storm, H7722  thou shalt be H1961  like a cloud H6051  to cover H3680  the land, H776  thou, H859  and all H3605  thy bands, H102  and many H7227  people H5971  with H854  thee.

Starting with that word we translate as Ascend: H5927
‛âlâh
aw-law'
A primitive root; to ascend, intransitively (be high) or active (mount); used in a great variety of senses, primary and secondary, literally and figuratively: - arise (up). (cause to) ascend up, at once, break [the day] (up), bring (up), (cause to) burn, carry up, cast up, + shew, climb (up), (cause to, make to) come (up), cut off, dawn, depart, exalt, excel, fall, fetch up, get up, (make to) go (away, up), grow (over), increase, lay, leap, levy, lift (self) up, light, [make] up, X mention, mount up, offer, make to pay, + perfect, prefer, put (on), raise, recover, restore, (make to) rise (up), scale, set (up), shoot forth (up), (begin to) spring (up), stir up, take away (up), work.

all of which seems to say UP.

storm H7722 is this:
shô' shô'âh shô'âh
sho, sho-aw', sho-aw'
From an unused root meaning to rush over; a tempest; by implication devastation: - desolate (-ion), destroy, destruction, storm, wasteness.

so we saw ascending now the implication is that this army is behaving like a devastating storm. It's coming in at considerable speed, like the winds driving a storm.

Like a cloud H6051
‛ânân
aw-nawn'
From H6049; a cloud (as covering the sky), that is, the nimbusor thunder cloud: - cloud (-y).

so we again see this airborne threat coming in like a devastating storm, like a thunder cloud covering the sky

and this triple repitition seems to imply an AIRBORNE threat. As we saw in the Hebrew words translated into English as horse in Ezek 38:4 --this can include airborne vehicles that fly.

These same terms are repeated further on down in the chapter in the same way. The enemy comes from his place in the North-- rising UP, behaving like a storm cloud or a gathering thunderhead-- a nimbus type cloud.

This enemy of Israel uses some type of vehicle and the word we translate horse can also mean 2 different flying birds. The key terms in the definition are speed and going up into the air at points like a horse leaping or a crane or swallow flying. The word for horsemen implies riding in a vehicle, not as a horseback rider, but as a chariot driver with others beside in the chariot.

Until the dawn of the age of flight, NO Bible translator would have taken the Hebrew word Soos H5483 in it's other TWO meanings-- both birds. Instead of translating it flying in on cranes or swallows, they felt sure that Horses would be the best translation.

H5483 is this
sûs sûs

soos, soos

From an unused root meaning to skip (properly for joy); a horse(as leaping); also a swallow (from its rapid flight): - crane, horse ([-back, -hoof]).

But since the Wright brothers famous flight, the meaning in Soos or Leaper is back to being something that leaps, skips, or flies.

 

[alisani]

It's amazing how much greater clarity one can have of scripture when you can revert to its original languages.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

With that explanation, helicopters come to mind.

Air cav . . .

(For non-military, Air Cavalry, as in soldiers in helicopters). Air cav is the modern-day Army descendant of the old Army horse cavalry

Helicopters are used as platforms for rockets, missiles, and small arms, carry equipment, air ambulance/evacuation, etc. Soldiers also rappel, fast rope, and jump out of them.

 

[ChildofLight]

Paratroopers? Seriously? They're gonna push horses out of planes?

Gives a whole new meaning to Pegasus. Or do unicorns fly since everything has gone delusional. Maybe the horn of the unicorn shoots bullets.
Oh my, I’ve been reading Footsteps post too much. I’ve gone over the edge.