Russia, Israel tensions will continue to mount: Russian experts

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Russia, Israel tensions will continue to mount: Russian experts
‘Moscow might activate Iran, Syria or Hamas – without considering the outcome,’ former Putin speechwriter tells The Media Line.
By KSENIA SVETLOVA/THE MEDIA LINE
Published: MAY 6, 2022

After Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made statements about “Hitler’s Jewish blood” and blamed the Jews for being “the worst antisemites,” the verbal and written exchange between Israel and Russia quickly escalated. Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, President Isaac Herzog, Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, Yad Vashem head Dani Dayan and many Israeli political and civil society leaders expressed outrage at Lavrov’s words, even as the Russian Foreign Ministry kept pouring oil on the fire and issuing statements about Israel “supporting neo-Nazis” in Ukraine and “Israeli mercenaries fighting with the Azov Battalion.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel, hasn’t yet reacted to this public row. However, even before Lavrov’s statements, the tensions between Moscow and Jerusalem were mounting. Just last week, Israeli Ambassador to Russia Alexander Ben Zvi was summoned to the Foreign Ministry on Smolenskaya Square after Michael Brodsky, Israel’s ambassador to Ukraine, suggested that a few streets in Kyiv be renamed after righteous Ukrainians who saved Jews during the Holocaust. Before that incident, Russia strongly rebuked Lapid for denouncing the Russian war crimes in Ukraine and voting to expel Russia from the UN Human Rights Council.

more.............. https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-706011
 

heisable2

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Russia, Israel tensions will continue to mount: Russian experts
‘Moscow might activate Iran, Syria or Hamas – without considering the outcome,’ former Putin speechwriter tells The Media Line.
By KSENIA SVETLOVA/THE MEDIA LINE
Published: MAY 6, 2022

After Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made statements about “Hitler’s Jewish blood” and blamed the Jews for being “the worst antisemites,” the verbal and written exchange between Israel and Russia quickly escalated. Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, President Isaac Herzog, Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, Yad Vashem head Dani Dayan and many Israeli political and civil society leaders expressed outrage at Lavrov’s words, even as the Russian Foreign Ministry kept pouring oil on the fire and issuing statements about Israel “supporting neo-Nazis” in Ukraine and “Israeli mercenaries fighting with the Azov Battalion.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel, hasn’t yet reacted to this public row. However, even before Lavrov’s statements, the tensions between Moscow and Jerusalem were mounting. Just last week, Israeli Ambassador to Russia Alexander Ben Zvi was summoned to the Foreign Ministry on Smolenskaya Square after Michael Brodsky, Israel’s ambassador to Ukraine, suggested that a few streets in Kyiv be renamed after righteous Ukrainians who saved Jews during the Holocaust. Before that incident, Russia strongly rebuked Lapid for denouncing the Russian war crimes in Ukraine and voting to expel Russia from the UN Human Rights Council.

more.............. https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-706011
Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel.

Why?

This the first time I've read about this relationship.

Down the line Russia will attack Israel. Are they gathering intel?
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

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Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel.

Why?

This the first time I've read about this relationship.

Down the line Russia will attack Israel. Are they gathering intel?

I think his only real close ties were with Netanyahu out of respect with how he led his country , the current leader of Israel he probably views him as weak and doesn't hold him in the same regard as he did with Netanyahu
 

athenasius

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Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel.

Why?

This the first time I've read about this relationship.

Down the line Russia will attack Israel. Are they gathering intel?
Russian President Vladimir Putin, who for years maintained close ties with Israel.
Why?


it all started when Netanyahu was leader of Israel and his forces took out an entire moving van stuffed with data CD's or whatever it was from the secure location in IRAN. Iran and Russia cooperate sort of, and are somewhat allied in Syria.

But Israel-- Netanyahu specifically SHARED some details of Iranian plans to attack Russian bases and drive them out of Syria.

Putin was VERY grateful and after that point on, he bent over backwards (as far as a Russian can anyway) to accommodate Netanyahu's occasional strikes on Iranian outposts in Syria.

Netanyahu has twice the brains of Bennett, Lapid and Gantz (the 3 defacto leaders of Israel although Bennett is sitting in the leader chair for now, and Lapid gets it in a few months, plus Gantz has a little more input into those 2 than anyone else).

Bibi as Netanyahu is affectionately called was able to push back on Putin as needed and they had a friendly workable relationship.

All that came to a crashing halt when Bennet, Lapid and Gantz formed the coalition that took down Netanyahu. Putin let them know in no uncertain terms that whatever agreements he had with Israel were really with Netanyahu, and the new gang in charge would have to earn their way into Putin's trust.

This the first time I've read about this relationship.

It's been in the news, and Chris posts a lot of the Israel news in this area of RF. It's actually been quite a key to understanding why the recent coalition govt is such a problem for Israel, because it wasn't just with Russia that they became weaker, Israel's relationships with the Abraham Accords were a bit fragile, and Bennett, Lapid and Gantz seemed to be clueless about the US State Dept problems and the problem with the Biden White House in general.

Down the line Russia will attack Israel. Are they gathering intel?

Russia is always gathering intelligence, they are quite diligent at that. Even if they are "friendly" with another nation, they always view it as temporary and so intel is always a priority.

Putin has no doubt used the Russian Jewish expatriate community within Israel to that end. I'm quite sure he has sleepers in there, who are Jewish or pretending to be, whose alliances are with "mother Russia". That has always been a concern anytime there are a large number of people allowed to leave Russia. They aren't all escaping. Some are sent.

It was an ex Russian who brought down the Israeli govt for the first of 4 rounds of elections that ended with this coalition. I forget his name for the moment but he was part of Bibi's Likud party till he broke away and started the whole elections forever mess.

In fact Putin often delicately reminds Israel of the Russian background of many of their citizens. He just did it again, wishing the many Russians who served in the Russian military a happy Victory Day which comes up on May 9 when he was calling Bennett to discuss the peace talks Bennett is foolishly helping with.

I have no idea if Bennett realizes the subtext of that message. But it basically says, don't forget that a number of your Israelis are loyal to Mother Russia!

Putin has also reminded Israel that he doesn't agree that the Golan Heights belong to Israel. He says they belong to Syria, which means Putin is claiming that area (and the gas and oil underneath it).

That is the area that Ezek 38 explains the invasion of Gog and Magog comes from. The Golan Heights.

Hope that helps.
 

athenasius

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It was an ex Russian who brought down the Israeli govt for the first of 4 rounds of elections that ended with this coalition. I forget his name for the moment but he was part of Bibi's Likud party till he broke away and started the whole elections forever mess.
It was Avigdor Liberman. Born in Russia 1958, emigrated to Israel in June of 78 as a 20 year old. He founded a political party which caters to secular Russians within Israel. His party is technically on the more conservative side but it is secular, not religious and he and his party had strong objections to Netanyahu's connections within the religious conservative Jewish community.

His fight with Netanyahu started Israel in the last 4 attempts at elections and ended only when the coalition combined the right, the left AND the Palestinian Arabs to topple Netanyahu and bring in the coalition.
 
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