Russia is busy dismantling NATO, here's how

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I was listening to Caroline Glick on her Caroline Glick show where she was discussing Germany's new role in Europe under the new Chancellor. She raised my eyebrows with her offhand comment that GERMANY stopped the Brits from flying thru their airspace en route to the Ukraine with needed military assistance a few days ago. That was on Episode 36 "The New Germany" and that wasn't all that raised my eyebrows.

They got into how Merkel and the new leader of Germany moved closer to Russia over the decades and how Putin's background in the KGB contributed to that. He was after all, stationed in East Germany as a Russian KGB officer, with access to all the Stasi files, and the multiple quiet background details on anyone in Germany as the Stasi had files on everyone, and they weren't limited to the East.

Then last night I read this article by Caroline Glick here: https://carolineglick.com/ukraine-and-the-american-crack-up/

In which Caroline describes exactly how Russia is managing to eliminate NATO in Europe with the help of Germany.

This came out yesterday on Feb 1, 2022

Ukraine and the American crack-up

Not only is the Biden administration enabling the break-up of NATO, it is also destroying America's deterrent power and superpower position.

From Washington to Berlin to Warsaw to Kyiv, everyone says that only Russian President Vladimir Putin knows what he plans to do with the 120,000 troops he has deployed to the Ukrainian border. But at this point, even if Putin decides not to invade, even if he withdraws all of his forces from the border zone he has already won a strategic victory of historic proportions against the United States.

That is a good opener, but Caroline goes on

"Without firing a bullet, Putin and his 120,000 soldiers have fomented the unofficial – but very real – break-up of the NATO alliance. ......

.....Today, NATO cannot act collectively against Putin in a coherent way because Germany no longer views Russia as a strategic threat, and no longer views the US as a leader it needs to follow.

How has this situation come about?
"

Then she proceeds to explain just exactly WHAT Germany is up to lately!!!

And it all points back to Russia and Nordstream 2! Putin used that to gain Germany's help in weakening NATO, and this flashpoint in the Ukraine is exactly tailor made to split NATO apart over in Europe, taking full advantage of a blind weak Biden administration.

great article, well worth a read.

Gomer :tappingfoot


1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
Ezekiel38:1-6, KJV


:pray :pray :amen :amen
 
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Rocky R.

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We're blessed being in the United States. Our neighbor up north is friendly, and our South American neighbor only practices illegal immigration but will never mass their armies against our country. We're walled in with two huge bodies of water so rogue nations will have to either cross the ocean or fire missiles at us (or hijack aircraft and fly them into tall buildings) in order to start a way with the United States. For anyone foolish enough to attempt a military invasion, we have an unofficial army of over 80 million plus legal gun owners and trillions of rounds of ammunition. The Founding Fathers certainly knew what they were doing.

But with it being the last days of the Age of Grace, war will eventually come to our shores. Some say it's here already with the globalists actively destroying our country from within. How long until we either have a Civil War 2.0 or a kinetic war with another country? It will eventually come. How long do you think? Pre-Rapture or Post-Rapture?
 

DWB

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It seems Germany is drifting closer and closer to the orbit of Russia's and largely because of the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
Germany may be drifting back towards their old ways. No doubt of their Nationalism, I have no idea of their financial situation, but it appears weak, and they are not energy independent having to rely on Russia or NATO for their needs. Socialism is just the first step into Communism so adding all things together it makes perfect sense for Germany to enjoy Russia's outstretched hands.
 

daygo

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Germany may be drifting back towards their old ways. No doubt of their Nationalism, I have no idea of their financial situation, but it appears weak, and they are not energy independent having to rely on Russia or NATO for their needs. Socialism is just the first step into Communism so adding all things together it makes perfect sense for Germany to enjoy Russia's outstretched hands.
Interesting thought.
 

MapleLeaf

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I have heard it said that when it comes to geopolitics to assume that Germany is always wrong. :poundI am unfamiliar with the idea of Germany being Gomer but I've been kind of wondering if Germany would have some sort of part in the evil of the end times. Being of German descent myself I've always kind of resented it being a punching bag for the world but the more I learn about the culture the more I figure it is deserved. My childhood experience at my very German church is starting to make more and more sense. I was raised to be Canadian so I was always confused by how people there were acting. And we weren't even really "real" Germans as we were Mennonite (not the same last names as a lot of Dutch is mixed in there if you go back far enough). But close enough, I suppose. My grandparents were nearly trapped in East Berlin after the war so I have no clue how they got out. I think they escaped before the wall was put up. Most of the Mennonites stuck there were dragged back to the Soviet and never seen again (most had come into Germany to flee Stalin). My sister in law's grandfather escaped as he was in hospital with a lost leg (due to an explosion) so the Soviets figured he was going to die anyways and let him be.
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I have heard it said that when it comes to geopolitics to assume that Germany is always wrong. :poundI am unfamiliar with the idea of Germany being Gomer but I've been kind of wondering if Germany would have some sort of part in the evil of the end times. Being of German descent myself I've always kind of resented it being a punching bag for the world but the more I learn about the culture the more I figure it is deserved. My childhood experience at my very German church is starting to make more and more sense. I was raised to be Canadian so I was always confused by how people there were acting. And we weren't even really "real" Germans as we were Mennonite (not the same last names as a lot of Dutch is mixed in there if you go back far enough). But close enough, I suppose. My grandparents were nearly trapped in East Berlin after the war so I have no clue how they got out. I think they escaped before the wall was put up. Most of the Mennonites stuck there were dragged back to the Soviet and never seen again (most had come into Germany to flee Stalin). My sister in law's grandfather escaped as he was in hospital with a lost leg (due to an explosion) so the Soviets figured he was going to die anyways and let him be.

A lot of Mennonites are pacifists and stubborn in the faith, so what happened to a lot of them makes sense :cry
Very unlikely that any of them would have joined the Orthodox Church to save their lives, if that was even an option (sometimes, but not always, in USSR/Eastern Bloc this could make a difference, or it would allow marrying into a family to save one's life)

One of my Grandfathers was Mennonite. Grandma was Lutheran. Their Congregations shared a church building in Pennsylvania Dutch/Amish/Mennonite area of Pennsylvania for many, many years. I was Baptized as an infant in that church :lol Neither one was willing to "convert" to the other denomination. Clergy in both of their family trees :smile Their families were both here long before the Revolutionary War :smile
 

Ghoti Ichthus

Pray so they do not serve alone. Ephesians 6:10-20
I have heard it said that when it comes to geopolitics to assume that Germany is always wrong. I am unfamiliar with the idea of Germany being Gomer but I've been kind of wondering if Germany would have some sort of part in the evil of the end times. Being of German descent myself I've always kind of resented it being a punching bag for the world but the more I learn about the culture the more I figure it is deserved. My childhood experience at my very German church is starting to make more and more sense. I was raised to be Canadian so I was always confused by how people there were acting. And we weren't even really "real" Germans as we were Mennonite (not the same last names as a lot of Dutch is mixed in there if you go back far enough). But close enough, I suppose. My grandparents were nearly trapped in East Berlin after the war so I have no clue how they got out. I think they escaped before the wall was put up. Most of the Mennonites stuck there were dragged back to the Soviet and never seen again (most had come into Germany to flee Stalin). My sister in law's grandfather escaped as he was in hospital with a lost leg (due to an explosion) so the Soviets figured he was going to die anyways and let him be.

Part of why people frequently say "blame Germany" is because of WWI and WWII, and also earlier wars often attributed to Germany/Germanic leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Germany

Forget the PC blather, none of us is responsible for what our ancestors or the countries our ancestors came from, did. Just as none of us were ever slaveholders and none of us are responsible for the actions of those that were.


If you think German nationalism in some German churches is "strong," it pales in comparison to Russian nationalism in the Russian Orthodox Churches, including at least some congregations of the Russian Orthodox Church in America :eek Interesting to talk to some of them for a very different perspective of history and current events in Ukraine :eek:
 

MapleLeaf

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There wasn't really any German nationalism...other than the World Cup when Brazil was playing Germany and we got the what-for cheering for Brazil. But most people in our church had come through the Soviet and then South America. I don't know many who had relatives who were actually from Germany. They used it as a buffer whenever anyone else called them a Kraut or a Nazi. I didn't have that buffer on my mom's side. I am referring more to a cultural set of behaviours and mindset. It could be toxic at times. I think marxism seeped into the community more than many were willing to admit. Conformity and sweeping issues under the rug because "unity" mattered more than anything else and any thing that went against the grain, even a minor disagreement, would upset the apple cart and threaten that. I had always assumed it was a generational problem but over the past few years I have been hearing about German culture and it has explained so much from my youth. Mennonites always kept to themselves in their colonies so the German culture followed them wherever they went. My peers from those days are now all massive "social justice warriors". Most of the true, blue and sensible Believers I know from my homechurch have long left to go into other denominations.
 
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