Russia and Gog/Magog

Endangered

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More than one analyst think that Russia will run out of resources in May. If they don't take Ukraine by May does this mean they will retreat back to Russia?
Russis will either take Ukraine or they won't.
I believe that, either way, the way is being paved for Gog/Magog. A lot of the world doesn't like Putin and has imposed sanctions. So Russia will have fewer resources to work with should they or retreat.
If they retreat it is a serious blow to Putin. Could this blow to his pride be "The Hook?". Or if he wins in Ukraine and unites countries around him could "The Hook" be Israeli oil. Maybe Putin wants to be the principal oil supplier of the world. And he wants to win Gog/Magog. Could his real plan be to eliminate Israel so that he can become a hero to Islamists and unite them with Russia?
Any thoughts on this?
 

Sunsource

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I think you’re on to something, speculating about oil being the “hook” I follow a well known Israeli pastor and teacher, who shall remain anonymous because he is on Ytube. Anyway said teacher/rabbi says that the infighting between the Stan countries and Muslim counties, and everyone else in the region will have to calm down before anything happens. At some point they will come together with one common goal in mind. The end of Israel whom they all hate. They’re in for a big surprise when that day comes.
 

Eastxn

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Everybody keeps saying that the "hook" is something enticing like oil. Thats the bait. To me a "hook in the jaw", just like hooking a fish....means it's something forced. Whoever it is will be dragged kicking and screaming against their will just like a hooked fish
 

athenasius

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More than one analyst think that Russia will run out of resources in May. If they don't take Ukraine by May does this mean they will retreat back to Russia?
Russis will either take Ukraine or they won't.
I believe that, either way, the way is being paved for Gog/Magog. A lot of the world doesn't like Putin and has imposed sanctions. So Russia will have fewer resources to work with should they or retreat.
If they retreat it is a serious blow to Putin. Could this blow to his pride be "The Hook?". Or if he wins in Ukraine and unites countries around him could "The Hook" be Israeli oil. Maybe Putin wants to be the principal oil supplier of the world. And he wants to win Gog/Magog. Could his real plan be to eliminate Israel so that he can become a hero to Islamists and unite them with Russia?
Any thoughts on this?
I'll take a crack at these points you bring up, excellent post btw. YES absolutely the way is being paved to Gog Magog.

Russia running out of resources by May. Hmmm-- I think the West and the Ukraine hope that is the case. Realistically they may be getting mean and hungry by May but I think all that will do is make Putin double down his efforts to win by any and all means.

That would include NBC warfare from the air-- Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons. There are indications from Russia and Putin that he is considering that. Firing on nuclear reactors, taking the staff in Chernobyl hostage so it releases more radiation, hinting about bio labs in the Ukraine meaning Putin would blame his bioweapons on those mythical labs that have not been heard of before now. Putin's used chemical weapons in Syria so he's ok with that. And he is ready to blame it all on NATO, America, the Ukraine, anyone but him. I could go on.

Russian retreat. The only time Russians retreat is when it suits them and it's a trap. They did that with Napoleon and Hitler and they are masters at the strategic retreat that works out in their advantage over time. So maybe, but I doubt it. I think Putin can't afford to retreat and survive as the leader so again, I think he will double down his efforts and use the NBC options.

The reason we hear him squawking about NATO and creating a NO FLY ZONE over the Ukraine and threatening WW3 with Nukes if NATO does that is because it's one of his final solutions for the Ukraine, bombing them into submission using NBC weapons. It's the reason he's been working at destabilizing the nuclear power plants including Chernobyl, and hinting at the Ukraine having bio labs. It muddies the waters and helps him blame the west later. That would include if he uses nukes. "NATO made me do it" will be his excuse.


Here's what I think might happen

Putin wins-- using just a few NBC weapons from the air, proving to the West that his threats were very real and very very deadly. The rest of the Ukraine folds like Japan did after the bomb in WW2. When they fold back into Russian hands Gog and Magog are back together again.

Putin has depleted his resources and needs to make money. His usual method is OIL. His market is Europe. He will go ahead with Nordstream 2 as soon as possible. Using blackmail and his agents in Germany. Let's not ever forget that Putin was a KGB chief working in East Germany before the wall fell. He has data on everyone. Still. Russia still has Germans they can use. Many in high positions.

Look for Germany to be first to allow Russia back into Europe's good graces. Germany descends from Gomer, one of the invaders of Gog Magog. Whether they realize it now or not, they will eventually align with Russia before Gog Magog.

Israel is RIGHT NOW competing with Russia as Egypt is now in the process of shipping LNG (liquefied natural gas) to Europe from Israel's supply. They aren't waiting for the pipeline to be built, now that Biden has stopped the funding for it.

Looking at the way the cubs of *Tarshish and *Sheba & *Dedan react to Russia in the Gog Magog invasion--"have you come for spoil?" but look even CLOSER at the silence from EVERYONE ELSE.

If Russia does what I think, I think Russia will become the most feared nation in the world for a little while. NOBODY will want to upset Russia -- and the best anyone can do is question their motives. The rest behave like a classroom of frightened children as the big bully of the class attacks one of the least loved members.

*Tarshish and her cubs or young lions (I think that is the 5 Eyes alliance of Britain, America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and *Sheba & *Dedan (I think the Abraham Accords group)

This would also mean that after Gog Magog, the globalists would vow to never allow Russia to have that power again, and they would double their efforts to get all the nations into line under their control. Soros is trying hard right now to combat Russia for that reason. He is a globalist pure and simple. Russia is being led by a nationalist in Putin. The Ukraine is their battlefield right now.
 
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athenasius

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Oh and I also think that if "peace" talks succeed, and Russia withdraws in the near future, look out!

Because Putin will use that as a good reason to get his ground troops out of the line of fire for his next offensive from the air using whatever it takes to bomb the Ukraine into submission.

Remember he allowed his troops to fire on civilians evacuating thru the "safe" corridors.
 

Footsteps

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Back when Russia was fighting the STANs (Slimy Terrorist Allied Nations), my recollection of the “peace deal” went something like this:
Stop bombing the subway in Moscow, holding schools full of children hostage, and generally acting like barbarians, and we will recognize your Muslim religion and cease further aggression against Sharia.
(Very simplified and possibly misconstrued.) Over the years Islamic thought has grown somewhat in Putin’s shriveled brain.
My oversimplified view of Ezekiel is:
God will turn Russia back (soon to occur), then He will set hooks in its jaws (as Eastxn has described above) and bring thee forth (unwillingly - Eastxn).
Gog is bogged down, in fiscal distress, and took over 80 days to accomplish a pathetic Medieval siege “victory” in Mariupol. Many make it sound like their “land bridge” will be complete, along with a four lane raised highway with multiple rest stop exits, in a week or so. They can’t push their frayed rope any further and no, they’re not ready to nuke the wheat fields they want to steal. It’s deal time. Time to “turn back”, listed before “bring forth” in Ezekiel. When they are finally “(dragged) forth” in all their radiant glory (Orc rags) with the unwanted assistance of the Taliban, ISIS, and other scummy groups that neither America or Russia was willing to defeat by blowing them all to Hell, it will be accompanied by Russian aircraft along with planes from their lesser allies. In their attempt to restore their power, hailstones will eliminate the airborne Uruk-Hai.
The rest is a lot of grave digging and forced recognition by the smarmy Southrons that Jehovah was real all along and Allah was never real (or merciful).
JMHO.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
Back when Russia was fighting the STANs (Slimy Terrorist Allied Nations), my recollection of the “peace deal” went something like this:
Stop bombing the subway in Moscow, holding schools full of children hostage, and generally acting like barbarians, and we will recognize your Muslim religion and cease further aggression against Sharia.
(Very simplified and possibly misconstrued.) Over the years Islamic thought has grown somewhat in Putin’s shriveled brain.
My oversimplified view of Ezekiel is:
God will turn Russia back (soon to occur), then He will set hooks in its jaws (as Eastxn has described above) and bring thee forth (unwillingly - Eastxn).
Gog is bogged down, in fiscal distress, and took over 80 days to accomplish a pathetic Medieval siege “victory” in Mariupol. Many make it sound like their “land bridge” will be complete, along with a four lane raised highway with multiple rest stop exits, in a week or so. They can’t push their frayed rope any further and no, they’re not ready to nuke the wheat fields they want to steal. It’s deal time. Time to “turn back”, listed before “bring forth” in Ezekiel. When they are finally “(dragged) forth” in all their radiant glory (Orc rags) with the unwanted assistance of the Taliban, ISIS, and other scummy groups that neither America or Russia was willing to defeat by blowing them all to Hell, it will be accompanied by Russian aircraft along with planes from their lesser allies. In their attempt to restore their power, hailstones will eliminate the airborne Uruk-Hai.
The rest is a lot of grave digging and forced recognition by the smarmy Southrons that Jehovah was real all along and Allah was never real (or merciful).
JMHO.
Nice summary LOL
 

MapleLeaf

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I think we have to remember the Bible leaves a lot of the details up to speculation. We can have some idea to the politics behind what Putin is doing but I think there is only so much we can jam into Biblical prophecy. I do think we'll recognize it as it happens but right now we can't really know for certain. There could be a period of time where "Gog" is put back in its place to lick its wounds until the proper time. The enemy doesn't know the future and is constantly raising his ugly head to make war against the saints but he can't move without God's say-so. Ezekiel 38 and 39 seems to be just as much a judgement against the evil spirit behind Gog as the nations he riles up. His moment of victory will be his point of destruction. We won't know it's "Gog Time" until they're coming against Israel and some think we won't even be here for that.
 

Footsteps

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I think we have to remember the Bible leaves a lot of the details up to speculation. We can have some idea to the politics behind what Putin is doing but I think there is only so much we can jam into Biblical prophecy. I do think we'll recognize it as it happens but right now we can't really know for certain. There could be a period of time where "Gog" is put back in its place to lick its wounds until the proper time. The enemy doesn't know the future and is constantly raising his ugly head to make war against the saints but he can't move without God's say-so. Ezekiel 38 and 39 seems to be just as much a judgement against the evil spirit behind Gog as the nations he riles up. His moment of victory will be his point of destruction. We won't know it's "Gog Time" until they're coming against Israel and some think we won't even be here for that.
Exactly right. “Gog and Magog” are listed in Revelation as inciting the final attack on the Holy City AFTER the Millennium. Evil spirit implications.
 

Lastcall

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Exactly right. “Gog and Magog” are listed in Revelation as inciting the final attack on the Holy City AFTER the Millennium. Evil spirit implications.
Question: A friend of mine is adamant that the Gog/Magog war will only happen after the millennium, as described in Revelation 20 but I am of the opinion there will be two Gog/Magog wars; one prophesied in Ezekiel 38/39 and the other an attack by the enemies of God at the end of the millennium. Just like there was WW1 and WW2 with virtually the same countries in both wars, could there not be two Gog/Magog events?
Answer: I think the problem lies in your use of the name “Gog/Magog war”. Although Gog and Magog are mentioned in connection with both Ezekiel 38-39 and Rev. 20:7-8, neither event is referred to as a Gog/Magog war in the Bible. Also, by comparing Ezekiel’s description with John’s you can see they’re not the same, and don’t involve the same participants. For example, Ezekiel’s battle involves only nations from the Middle East, and not all of them, while John speaks of the nations in the four corners of the earth, signifying people from everywhere. Ezekiel clearly describes events that follow his battle, meaning it’s not at the end of the age, but John is describing something that happens on the threshold of eternity.

If you can agree to stop referring to both events as a Gog/Magog war I think your problem will be solved.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/two-gogmagog-wars/
 

MapleLeaf

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My husband likes to remind me that Jewish prophecy often has a cyclical nature where there are multiple 'near' fulfillments with an ultimate final/complete fulfillment. Gog/Magog seems to be one of those. I don't feel hard and fast on that one myself. Part of me wishes we would be here for the first one simply because seeing a miraculous and clear fulfillment of Scripture would be such an encouragement in these troubled times. Continuing on without signs is an important part of Christian faith and trust and hope but sometimes it would just be nice to have that sign.
 

pixelpusher

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My husband likes to remind me that Jewish prophecy often has a cyclical nature where there are multiple 'near' fulfillments with an ultimate final/complete fulfillment. Gog/Magog seems to be one of those. I don't feel hard and fast on that one myself. Part of me wishes we would be here for the first one simply because seeing a miraculous and clear fulfillment of Scripture would be such an encouragement in these troubled times. Continuing on without signs is an important part of Christian faith and trust and hope but sometimes it would just be nice to have that sign.
Well, we do have the super sign of Israel being back in the land, culture and language intact and prospering, so that is enough IMO. Add on the current events that point towards the Trib shaping up. Incredible days to be alive.
 

MapleLeaf

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Well, we do have the super sign of Israel being back in the land, culture and language intact and prospering, so that is enough IMO. Add on the current events that point towards the Trib shaping up. Incredible days to be alive.
Reclaiming Israel and then reclaiming Jerusalem were two separate steps that were decades apart and now we've had an even larger 'cycle' waiting for the Temple Mount to be reclaimed. That is the penultimate sign, if you ask me. You do hear rumblings of doors potentially being opened on that front but nothing substantial yet.
 
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