Roman Catholicism compared to Biblical Christianity

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    chaser Well-Known Member

    I came out of the RCC and thought this was informative and useful to see where each side stands, and may help as a witnessing tool. About the first 1/3 is about RCC doctrines and then the Bible Christianity comparisons begin with Doctrine of Jesus, coming out of RCC I found it interesting that I did not know some of their teaching.

    Roman Catholicism Compared To Biblical Chrsitianity
    written and compiled by Barbara Wilhelm, 9/01
    The following contain excerpts and/or references from Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition by Mike Gendron, head of "Proclaiming the Gospel”; James G. McCarthy, author of The Gospel According to Rome and the tract What You Need To Know About Roman Catholicism; and T. A. McMahon of The Berean Call. Mr. Gendron, Mr. McCarthy and Mr. McMahon are former Catholics and present born-again Christians with ministries to Catholics. The author of the following position paper, a former Catholic of 35 years and a born-again Christian of 23 years, has, in recent years, taken a course from the Catholic Church itself dealing with their current beliefs. Annotated references to Catholic doctrine were obtained from the official Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Austin Flannery edition of Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents.
    *There is also a section entitled Catholic Doctrinal Guide with definitions of various Catholic terminology. The source book for the Guide was a Catholic family Bible which carries the “imprimatur” (official authorization) of the Roman Catholic Church.

    INTRODUCTORY STATEMENTS
    “It is important to realize that most of the clergy and lay people that teach Roman Catholic doctrine are not deceiving people with malicious intent. They are simply passing on what has been passed on to them, sincerely believing that they have the truth. Catholics must believe ALL dogmas of their church or be anathema (eternally condemned and accursed) by their church. Prayer, love, compassion and understanding are needed along with the power of the Word of God to penetrate their hearts. Patience is needed to untangle Roman Catholics from the dogmatic web in which they are held captive” (Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition by Mike Gendron).
    It must also be remembered that there are those in the Catholic Church who love the Lord and have had a genuine born-again
    experience yet remain in that church out of ignorance of her doctrines.
    In 2 Cor 11: 2-4 Paul states: “For I am zealous for you with a godly jealousy, for I have betrothed you to one Husband, to
    present you a chaste virgin to Christ. But now I am fearful lest even as the serpent beguiled Eve by his cunning, so your minds
    may be seduced from the simplicity of Jesus. For you seem readily to endure it if a man comes and preaches another Jesus
    than the One we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you once received, or a different gospel from the
    one you received and welcomed.”
    In what is called the “unity chapter”, John 17, Jesus Himself states that doctrinal truth is to be the primary unifying factor
    between believers and the basis for sanctification: v.17 “Sanctify them by Thy truth; Thy Word is truth.”
    A CLARIFICATION OF TERMS
    Before we can even start a meaningful discussion of the differences between Catholicism and Biblical Christianity, it is
    imperative to clarify what different words and terms mean when viewed from each perspective. Some of the following words
    may sound the same to Bible-believing Christians as they do to Catholics – but their meanings will differ sharply. In addition,
    there will be terms totally unfamiliar to Christians but which must be discussed because they play such an integral part in Roman
    Catholic theology.
    CATHOLIC DOCTRINAL GUIDE
    Preface:
    We Catholics maintain that the Bible is not the sole source of Christ’s teaching, but that we have a double rule of
    faith, namely, Bible and Tradition. Tradition is the sum of revealed doctrine which has not been put down in Sacred Scripture
    but has been handed down through legitimate pastors of the Church from age to age.
    Baptism: the sacrament of spiritual cleansing and rebirth, instituted by Jesus Christ. In baptism a human being is born again
    spiritually and made capable of receiving the other sacraments.
    Church Legislation: (Canons 1391, 1399 1400) the faithful are not permitted to read vernacular translations of the Bible
    which do not have the approval of the Holy See (Pope) and are not published under the vigilance of the bishops. For the
    Catholic, the private interpretation of the individual is regarded as worthless, and only the authoritative verdict of the
    infallible (Catholic) Church, exercising in this sphere its divine commission to teach, is valid. “If anyone believes any
    scriptures beyond those which the Catholic Church has received are to be regarded as authoritative or held in esteem, let him
    be anathema.”
    Confession to and Absolution by a priest: (Confession is) the clear avowal of all sins committed after Baptism, made to a
    priest who has the power to absolve (those sins). The priest imposes upon the penitent sinner acts of penance to make
    reparation for his sins. These acts of penance may include saying specified amounts of “Hail Marys” and “Our Fathers”,
    self-denial, or performing good works. The priest’s role in this sacrament is as representative of Christ.
    Council: The assembly of the bishops (including the Bishop of Rome, the Pope) convoked to define questions of faith, morals
    and discipline. (Throughout history) there have been numerous councils: Nicea (325), Trent (1545-1563), Vatican I (1869) and
    Vatican II (present-day).
    Dogma: When this word is applied to Catholic teaching, it refers to a formal statement of doctrine, as contained in divine
    revelation, concerning faith or morals, made by the Pope as universal teacher, or by an ecumenical council in union with him.
    Eucharist: From the Greek word meaning to thank, a sacrament of the New Law in which, under the appearances of bread
    and wine, the Body and Blood of Christ are truly, really and substantially present, as the grace-producing food of the soul. The
    priest, who alone has the power given him by God to prepare the ingredients for this sacrament, by pronouncing the words of
    consecration, changes the substance of bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood. The Holy Eucharist is the living
    (emphasis in original) Christ: the wafer containing the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ (1374) that is to be
    worshipped, consumed and sacrificed (1378).
    Expiation: The work of expiation continues through the unbloody sacrifice of the Mass for all time. Hence, for us (Catholics),
    the greatest work of expiation is through the sacrifice of the Mass by which God is placated.
    Grace: Grace is lost through mortal sin; it is preserved and increased through prayer and works done under the influence of
    God, and by means of the sacraments duly received.
    Indulgence: The means of remission of the temporal punishment for sins of which the guilt has been forgiven, either in the
    sacrament of Penance or because of an act of perfect contrition, granted by the competent ecclesiastical authority from the
    Treasury of the Church to the living by way of absolution, to the dead by way of others prayers for them. When the guilt of a sin
    is removed from the soul there always remains temporal punishment due to sin and this temporal punishment must be removed
    before a soul can enter heaven. An indulgence is received by good works and penances and can be applied to the sins of the
    living and the dead (1471-79).
    The Council of Trent stated – “Since the power of conferring indulgences has been granted by Christ to His Church, this Holy
    Synod teaches and orders that the use of indulgences is to be retained in the Church. It also condemns under anathema those
    who say they are useless or who maintain that the Church has not the power to confer them.”
    Infallibility: The belief that the pope and bishops are said to be incapable of error when proclaiming definite doctrines
    involving faith and morals.
    Vatican Council I stated – “It is divinely revealed dogma that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra (that is, when
    acting as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, he, by his supreme apostolic authority, defines a doctrine touching faith or
    morals, which is to be held by the whole Church) said definitions are of themselves irreformable (infallible). If anyone shall
    presume to contradict this our definition, let him be anathema”.
    Mortal Sin: A grave sin committed with full knowledge and consent (1857 from the Catholic Catechism). Those who die in
    this state descend into hell (1035).
    Penance (Also known now as the Sacrament of Reconciliation) The sacrament of confessing sins after baptism to a priest and
    asking for his forgiveness so that you are reconciled back to God (1456)
    Pope: this word comes a Greek term for father. As bishop of Rome, the pope is St. Peter’s successor and is therefore the
    visible head of the Church on earth.
    Purgatory: The place and state in which souls suffer for a time after death and are cleansed of their sins, before entering into
    Heaven. Here, venial sins, which have never in this life been remitted by an act of repentance or love or by good deeds, are
    removed. The debt of temporal punishment due to grave (mortal) sins, the guilt of which with its eternal punishment has indeed
    been remitted by God in the Sacrament of Penance must also be removed here. It is of faith that the souls in Purgatory can be
    helped by the prayers and sacrifices of the Faithful on earth and especially by the Mass.
    Rosary: an expression of devotion to Mary which uses beads to count 53 repetitious prayers to Mary, six to God the Father
    and six to the Trinity.
    Sacraments: The Catholic Church teaches that there are seven sacraments and each of them contain grace. The seven
    sacraments are: baptism, penance, eucharist, confirmation (to receive Holy Spirit), matrimony, holy orders (vows taken by
    priests and nuns) and anointing of the sick. These are the primary means by which God bestows grace upon people in the
    RCC. Church teaching is that the sacraments themselves are necessary for salvation [1129 –Catholic Catechism].
    Venial Sin: a sin that merits only temporal punishment and does not deprive the sinner of grace or friendship with God. Venial
    sins can be atoned for with acts of penance and good works.
    Vicar of Christ: one of many titles claimed by the Pope. This one means representative of Christ on Earth. (end of Catholic
    Doctrinal Guide section).
    ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS - FROM CHRISTIAN SOURCES
    Apocrypha:
    12 writings were declared inspired by the RCC and were added to the Catholic Canon in 1546. Many of the
    teachings in the apocrypha contradict the Bible – indulgences, paid masses for the dead, magic performed by Jesus as a child,
    etc.
    Magesterium: comes from Latin for “Master” and refers to bishops who are the teaching authority of the RCC. The
    magesterium consists of all the bishops including the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. They are the ones who pass judgment on
    doctrine, state what interpretation a Catholic may give to a scripture verse, and they are the ones who dole out grace in partial
    payments depending on the amount of good works that are done.
    Treasury of the Church: (From The Gospel According to Rome by James G. McCarthy: “Another way in which the living
    can help the dead is by acquiring special credits, called indulgences, that cancel out temporal punishment [1032.1471] Roman
    Catholicism teaches that the Church has the power to dispense indulgences from a vast reservoir of merit called the treasury of
    the Church [1476-1477]…The “treasury of the Church” is the infinite value, which can never be exhausted, which Christ’s
    merits have before God…This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary and…the
    prayers and good works of all the saints.)
    Vatican II: The conference was held 1962-65 and from it came the New Catholic Canon of Laws. After Vatican II there was
    a strong ecumenical outreach to other churches, culminating in the un-Biblical agreement called “Evangelicals and Catholics
    Together.”
    CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS:ESSENTIAL DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES
    The Roman Catholic Church (much like the Judaizers in the book of Galatians) upholds four fundamental tenets of the Christian
    faith: the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the virgin birth, and the bodily resurrection of Jesus. However, it denies that Christ’s work
    of redemption is finished and that His atonement is sufficient.
    In addition, Catholic teaching opposes the doctrine most essential to the Christian faith – the doctrine of justification by
    faith alone. The RCC not only denies this doctrine, but also condemns anyone who believes it. The Catholic Church may say
    that it believes in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, but the doctrines of that church deny these words.
    The Roman Catholic Church says it believes in salvation by grace alone. However, their “grace” is not the free gift of
    Christianity but can only be received by the individual in partial installments dispensed through the “magesterium” of the RCC *
    (see Catholic Doctrinal Guide for definition). The RCC says it believes in salvation through faith alone - but adds works to that.
    It says it believes in salvation through Christ alone - but adds, among other things, membership in the Catholic Church, a belief
    that water baptism, even of infants, is what constitutes being born-again, and unbiblical beliefs about Mary. If doctrine is not
    discussed, then Christians will never realize that the doctrines of the Bible are different from the doctrines the RCC adheres to,
    no matter what they say to the contrary. More importantly, if we do not delineate the differences in doctrine between the
    Christian Church and the Catholic Church, we do an incredible disservice to those Catholics who believe they are born-again
    yet still continue in the church of Rome. If we evade doctrinal issues, we are not giving Catholics the chance to escape from a
    deception that will condemn them to eternal death. If a man believes a false gospel, he is not saved and cannot be discipled.
    The discussion of doctrinal differences is truly a life – or - death matter.
    HOLY SCRIPTURE
    Bible: “Every Scripture is God-breathed – given by His inspiration – and profitable for instruction, for reproof, for correction of
    error, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, well-fitted and thoroughly equipped for every
    good work” (2 Ti 3: 16-17). See also 2 Pe 1: 3-10 and 1 Cor 2:13.
    Deut 4:2; Prov 30:5,6; Rev 22: 19 are just some of the warnings in the Bible dealing with adding to or subtracting from God's
    Holy Word. The RCC, however, does not seem to heed these warnings. As just one example, the Catholic Church does not
    profess the simple Ten Commandments, eliminating the second commandment to have no idols before God and to create no
    graven images. The RCC then takes the Biblical tenth Commandment and makes it into two instead of one. Hence, the RCC
    Ten Commandments are not the Biblical Ten Commandments. The Roman Catholic Church believes that there are more than
    the 66 canonical books of the Bible, adding what they call the Apocrypha*. The Apocrypha contains descriptions of Jesus
    performing magic as a child, and the Catholic beliefs in praying for the dead and purgatory. “Purgatory is the place of suffering a
    Catholic enters after death when he may need to make additional reparation for his sins. There he pays for the temporal
    punishment of sins not previously atoned for by acts of penance* or canceled by indulgences*, special credits obtained from the
    RCC by performing religious acts” (J. McCarthy: What You Need To Know About Roman Catholicism).
    The Catholic Church also adds tradition and papal infallibility* to the teachings of the Bible, thereby placing both above the
    inerrancy of the Bible. (Mt 15:6 states: “So for the sake of your tradition, you have set aside the Word of God and made it null
    and void.”)
    (following is excerpted from Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition by Mike Gendron):
    DOCTRINE OF JESUS
    JESUS, THE SAVIOR:
    Bible: "He saved us not because of any righteous deeds we had done, but because of His mercy" (Titus 3:5)
    Roman Catholic Church teaches that "by His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ has 'opened' heaven to us" (1026 -references
    are from 1994 Catholic catechism). Each person attains his own salvation by grace and good works (1477).
    JESUS, THE SINLESS REDEEMER:
    Bible: "For you know it was not with perishable things...that you are redeemed...but with the precious blood of Christ" (1 Pe
    1:17-18).
    RCC teaches that Mary is the sinless co-Redeemer. "Without a single sin to restrain her, she gave herself entirely to the person
    and work of her son; she did so in order to serve the mystery of redemption with Him...being obedient, she became the cause
    of salvation for herself and for the whole human race" (494)
    JESUS, OUR ADVOCATE AND ONLY MEDIATOR:
    Bible: "God is one, one also is the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Ti 2:5, 1 Jn 2:1)
    RCC teaches that Mary "did not lay aside her saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. She is Advocate…and Mediatrix” (969)
    JESUS, HEAD OF THE CHURCH:
    Bible: "He has put all things under Christ's feet and made Him, thus exalted, head of the Church" (Eph 1: 22,23).
    RCC teaches that the Pope, "by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire church has full, supreme and
    universal power over the whole church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered" (882). He exercises infallibility
    when "he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals" (891)
    JESUS, THE SOON-COMING KING:
    Bible: "This same Jesus, who has been taken away from you into heaven will come back in the same way you have seen Him go
    unto heaven" (Acts 1:11).
    RCC denies this by teaching that Jesus returns daily to the altars of Catholic churches to worshipped: "The body and
    blood...soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ...is truly, really and substantially contained" in the Eucharist* (1374-78).
    CHRIST’S WORK
    JESUS EXPIATES OUR SIN:
    Bible: "Through His blood, God made Him the means of expiation for all who believe" (Ro 3:25)
    RCC teaches that sins are expiated in purgatory through a "cleansing fire" and that we "must strive to accept this temporal
    punishment of sin as a grace" (1030,31; 1472-75).
    (It is also noteworthy that the Word of God consistently affirms that sins are expiated by blood and not by fire. Biblically, the
    “fires of purgatory” cannot purge or atone for sin.)
    JESUS FINISHED THE WORK OF REDEMPTION:
    Bible: "By one offering He has forever perfected those who are being sanctified" (Heb 10:14). "Unlike the other high priests,
    He does not need to offer daily sacrifices" (Heb 7:27,28).
    RCC denies that Jesus' work on the cross is finished. "The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single
    sacrifice...the same Christ who offered Himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an
    unbloody manner in the Eucharist"(1367). "Every time this mystery is celebrated the work of our redemption is carried on"
    (1405). The sacrifice "is offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead" (1414). Over and over again in Roman
    Catholicism, Jesus dies on the cross as the eternal victim.
    HIS LIFE, DEATH AND RESURRECTION PROVIDED THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED:
    Bible: "There is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name in the whole world given to men by which we are to be
    saved" (Acts 4:12).
    RCC denies this by claiming the Catholic Church "is necessary for salvation" (846).
    HIS SHED BLOOD IS THE ONLY REMISSION FOR SIN:
    Bible: "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin" (Heb 9:22). "Since these sins have been forgiven, there is
    no further offering for sin" (Heb 10:18).
    RCC teaches that "an indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been
    forgiven which...may be applied to the living or the dead" (1471)
    This is absolutely contrary to Scripture because it undermines the total cleansing of Jesus' blood. By stating that indulgences
    are needed to further cleanse the sinner, indulgences make man's actions of higher worth than Jesus' blood.
    JESUS CLEANSES US FROM SIN:
    Bible: “When He [Jesus] had cleansed us from our sins, He took His seat at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven” (Heb
    1:3). “Christ…presents you to God holy, free of reproach and blame” (Col 1:22)
    RCC teaches that “all who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified…undergo purification, so as to
    achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven” (1030)
    DOCTRINE OF SALVATION
    SALVATION IS PROCLAIMED IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST:
    Bible: "It is the power of God leading everyone who believes in it to salvation" (Ro 1:16). It relates Jesus' life, death and
    resurrection according to the Scriptures (1 Cor 15: 1-4).
    RCC preaches a different gospel by demanding additional requirements for salvation including: the sacraments (1129),
    meritorious masses (1405), church membership (846), purgatory (1030), indulgences *(1498), and baptism (1256).
    SALVATION IS OF GOD, NOT MAN:
    Bible: “When you heard the glad tidings of salvation, the word of truth, and believed in it, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit
    (Eph 1:13). Those “who believe in His name were begotten not by…man’s willing it, but by God” (Jn 1:13).
    RCC teaches “Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration…without which no one can enter the kingdom of God” (1213, 1215).
    SALVATION IS THROUGH FAITH, NOT WORKS:
    Bible: "Salvation is yours through faith. This is not of your own doing, it is God's gift, neither is it a reward for anything you have
    accomplished, so let no one pride himself on it" (Eph 2: 8,9). "Yet in no way can a man redeem himself, nor pay his own
    ransom to God. Too high is the price to redeem one's life; he would never have enough" (Ps 49: 7,8).
    RCC teaches salvation through faith plus works. They say people can obtain their own salvation and at the same time
    cooperate in saving their brothers through good works and indulgences (1477, 1479).
    (The Lindsell Bible Commentary’s introduction to the book of Galatians states: “ When you mix faith with works, the error is of
    such magnitude that it will result in the loss of the true gospel.”)
    SALVATION IS BY GRACE, NOT MERIT:
    Bible: "All men are now undeservedly justified by the gift of God" (Ro 3:24). "…But if it is by grace it is no longer conditioned
    on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace – it would be meaningless.”(Ro 11:6).
    RCC denies justifying grace is undeserved. "We can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal
    life" (2027).
    (RCC source used is Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994.)
    (excerpt ended)
    NONE OF THESE ARE SECONDARY ISSUES. ON THE CONTRARY,THEY ARE THE PRIMARY
    DOCTRINES OF OUR FAITH.
    While there are a great many other topics that can be discussed in relation to the Catholic faith, only three others will be
    attempted at this time. The first topic is the difference between Christian Communion and the Catholic Eucharist; the next, the
    difference between the Biblical Mary and the Catholic Mary. The last topic is the mistaken belief that Vatican II significantly
    changed the tenets of Catholicism.
    CHRISTIAN COMMUNION AS OPPOSED TO CATHOLIC EUCHARIST
    There is a very real difference between the Communion and the Lord's Supper as observed by born-again believers as
    opposed to the Eucharist and the Mass* as observed by Catholics. Born-again believers contend that the bread and wine are
    the elements and that Communion and the Lord's Supper are done in remembrance of Jesus' "once for all" sacrifice. Catholics,
    on the other hand, believe that the Eucharist offered at the Mass is the actual flesh and blood of Jesus. This, they state, is
    done by means of transubstantiation, the Catholic doctrine wherein the bread and wine actually become the real body and
    blood of Jesus.
    The Council of Trent, 13th Session, Canon I stated: “(the Eucharist) is truly, really and substantially the body and blood
    together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Catholic Mass is the “unbloody sacrifice” of Jesus repeated over
    and over. Yet the Bible repeatedly states that “without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.” The word for the
    wafer that is offered at Catholic Mass is “hostia” which means victim. Hence, Jesus as the eternal victim is repeatedly being
    sacrificed at each Catholic Mass.
    Of the Mass, the Council of Trent also stated (Session 22, Chap.2): “In this divine sacrifice the same Christ is present and
    immolated (sacrificed) in an unbloody manner on the altar of the Cross…only the manner of offering is different.” Heb 9: 22
    and 10:10-17 totally contradict these Catholic doctrines. Therefore, how can Biblical Communion be equated with the Catholic
    Eucharist and Mass?
    Also, instead of centering worship around the Person of the Lord Jesus and His redeeming work on the cross, it is the Catholic
    Church that makes the wafer of bread – the Eucharist – the “centerpiece of worship” and actually says, in its catechism, that
    their communion is the “sacrament of redemption” (1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church section 1846) and the place
    where “ the work of our redemption is accomplished” (Vatican II Austin Flannery p.1). When the priest holds the wafer and
    presents it to the congregation saying “Behold the Lamb of God”, he truly means that that wafer is the real Lamb of God, Jesus
    Christ. The Catholic Church emphasizes this adoration of the wafer – not the Person of Jesus – during the feast called Corpus
    Christi, a Latin term meaning “body of Christ.” On that day a procession of Catholics follow the priest in adoration of the
    Communion wafer which is carried in a vessel called a “monstrance.”
    In simple terms that means that Roman Catholicism believes that redemption comes through ingesting the Eucharist –the wafer
    which they say is Jesus – not through Jesus’ work on the cross. Hence, Catholic Communion is not Biblical Communion: they
    may use the same words, but the meaning is totally different.
    MARY OF THE BIBLE AND THE MARY OF CATHOLICISM
    (the following information is excerpted from T.A. McMahon’s article entitled Mary Who?):
    “…The only trustworthy account of Mary is found in the Scriptures where information is presented by those who knew her
    personally and, more importantly, whose writings were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Fewer than 90 Bible verses
    address the life of Mary. In them we find a wonderful humble servant of the Lord who rejoices in Him as her Savior (Lk 1:
    47)… Mary’s ministry was simply the birth and nurturing of the child Jesus. Once He reached adulthood, she played no
    influential part in His earthly service. It’s at the wedding feast of Cana, which began the public ministry of Jesus, that her last
    words are recorded. Fittingly, she tells the servants, ‘ Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it’ (Jn 2:5)… Mary then fades into the
    background.
    Search the Scriptures as you will and you will find no leadership role for Mary among the Apostles. She taught no doctrine.
    We never hear of the Apostles seeking her out for counsel. Other than the gospels, Mary is mentioned only once in the New
    Testament, where the Book of Acts tells us of her simple participation in a prayer meeting along with her sons. The teaching
    that Mary was a perpetual virgin is contradicted by many verses (Mt 12:46; Mk 6:3; Jn 7: 3,5; 1Cor 9:5; Gal 1:19; Ps
    69:8,etc.)…The Apostle Peter, a contemporary of Mary and regarded by Catholics as the first pope, wrote nothing about her.
    The Apostle Paul…made no mention of the alleged importance of devotions or reparations to Mary…The Apostle John, who
    wrote the last book of the Bible and was given the care of Mary by Jesus Himself, says nothing about venerating her…Although
    mankind is being drawn into every kind of spiritual deception in the last days before the return of Jesus, it is especially sad that
    the real mother of Jesus, the remarkable ‘handmaiden of the Lord’ (Lk 1:38) is so terribly misrepresented, thereby drawing
    millions away from her Son…
    (Conversely), the Mary of Catholicism was immaculately conceived, the Mother of God, a perpetual virgin, Mediatrix between
    God and man, and the Queen of Heaven…The ‘Mary’ who spoke to Father Gobbi, the founder of the Marian Movement of
    more than 100,000 priests, declared, ‘Each of my statues is a sign of a presence of mine and reminds you of your heavenly
    Mother. Therefore it must be honored and put in places of greater veneration…’
    Consider Our Lady of Fatima: (she said) ‘Say the Rosary every day to obtain peace for the world…God wishes to establish in
    the world the devotion to My immaculate heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.’
    This is not the humble and submissive Mary of the Bible. The rosary invokes prayers to Mary ten times for every one for the
    Lord; Jesus is the Prince of Peace; only Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice saves souls from hell; neither is Mary’s heart immaculate,
    nor are we to be spiritually devoted to anyone other than our Lord and Savior” (excerpts ended).
    The Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is NOT the Christian doctrine which states that Jesus was born without
    sin. Rather, it states that Mary was born free of any sin: “O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to
    thee.” The prayer specifically presents her as intercessor. In addition, Catholics believe that as a special privilege Mary was
    preserved from all sin, even venial sin*. Catholics also hold to the doctrine that Mary, after her death, was “assumpted” bodily
    into heaven and, therefore, never saw corruption.. Both the Feast of the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception are
    “holydays of obligation” in the Catholic Church and require Catholics to attend a Mass on those days under penalty of
    “mortal”* sin.
    One of the titles the Catholic Church gives Mary is “Queen of Heaven.” In chapters 7:18 and 44:19 Jeremiah actually speaks of
    the people of Israel making offerings to a “queen of heaven.” Yet a simple reading of the chapters shows that God was
    exceedingly angry because of this heathen worship.
    There is also a mixing of what is Biblical and what is Catholic in the “Hail Mary,” the prayer used repeatedly in the rosary. It
    states: “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art thou among women…” This is actually found in Luke 1:28.
    However, the rest of the prayer is not Biblical. It states “…Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the
    hour of our death. Amen.” Mary is “holy” only as she is holy in Jesus. She was not the mother of God, but of the child Jesus -
    stating it as the Catholic Church does confers upon her a title that denotes her superiority over Jesus. She cannot pray for us
    sinners because she herself was a sinner, and because only Jesus “ever liveth to make intercession for us” (Heb 7:25).
    WHAT DID VATICAN II REALLY CHANGE?
    In the 1960’s after Vatican II was convened, the Roman Catholic Church made some sweeping reforms that attempted to
    bridge the gap between Catholicism and Protestantism. The Sacrifice of the Mass could now be offered in the local language
    instead of in Latin. Catholics were no longer forbidden to read a Protestant Bible or attend a Protestant church service. The
    priest now faced the congregation at an altar instead of having his back to them. There were no longer just old Catholic hymns
    and responses sung. Now up-beat folk songs were allowed.
    But notice what did not change. There is still the mandatory priest who stands at a mandatory altar, still offering Jesus up as
    an eternal victim at the Sacrifice of the Mass. The crucifix with Christ still on the Cross is ever-present. Yes, Catholics can now
    read a Protestant Bible but no private interpretation is allowed and only the magesterium’s interpretation is permitted. There
    are still novenas(nine-day prayer vigils) and rosaries offered to Mary, who is still co-Redeemer, co-Mediatrix, Queen of
    Heaven. The Pope is still considered to be infallible, even when his encyclicals contradict the Bible. Tradition is still given equal
    ranking with Scripture. The adoration of the wafer – not of Jesus – still continues at Catholic Communion, as does the priest’s
    ability by means of transubstantiation to transform the bread and wine into the living Body and Blood of Jesus. Some things
    changed, but not one fundamental doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church changed at all.
    Vatican II is thought by most Catholics and non-Catholics to have changed centuries-old doctrines of the Catholic Church,
    especially those that evangelical Christians were troubled by. As has been seen, however, this is not the case.
    “It fact it reaffirmed the canons and decrees of previous key councils: ‘This sacred council accepts loyally the venerable faith of
    our ancestors…and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicea, of the Council of Florence (purgatory) and
    of the Council of Trent (masses said for the dead , papal infallibility, Catholic sacraments necessary for salvation)’ (Austin
    Flannery, Vol. 1, p.412). The Council of Trent denounced the Reformation and damned evangelicals’ beliefs with more than
    100 anathemas. All of these condemnations of the gospel of God’s grace are endorsed and reaffirmed by Vatican II” (Dave
    Hunt: A Woman Rides the Beast).
    (excerpt follows from T.A.McMahon’s tract Why It Matters, Part I):
    “The following citations are from the Council of Trent, which met over a nineteen-year period primarily to denounce the
    teachings of the Protestant Reformation. Although the Council met in the sixteenth century, its decrees were reaffirmed by both
    Vatican I & II. Consider Catholicism’s position on what evangelicals uphold as the gospel (that is, salvation is by grace through
    faith alone in Christ alone who, through His sacrificial death on the cross, paid the full penalty for all the sins of humanity):
    6th Session, Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate
    in order to obtain the grace of justification…let him be anathema (accursed, eternally condemned).
    6th Session, Canon 12: If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy, which remits
    sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema.
    6th Session, Canon 30: If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of
    eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either
    in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema.
    7th Session, Canon 4: If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law [canons and decrees of the Church] are not
    necessary for salvation but…without them…men obtain from God alone through faith alone the grace of justification, let him be
    anathema.
    As the above decrees demand, Roman Catholicism requires more than faith in Christ for salvation…The clear denunciation of
    the Biblical gospel by the Council of Trent, with its more than 100 anathemas, and reaffirmations by the Second Vatican
    Council of the 1960’s, comes from the highest Roman Catholic authority (College of Cardinals and the Pope)…Few lay
    Catholics are familiar with the Code of Canon Law, containing more than 1,750 laws which dictate Church rules and practice.
    (Yet these rules and practices must be obeyed in order for a Catholic to be considered a Catholic by that Church).
    (Since Vatican II) Rome has donned evangelical apparel and added some biblical accessories (although her unbiblical salvation
    remains the same). (Seemingly), her goal has been to seduce evangelical Christians into believing that Roman Catholicism is
    proclaiming the same gospel and the same Jesus…
    (Yet it might be asked) Haven’t the modifications instituted by Vatican II, the ecumenical dialogues with evangelical
    denominations and the ‘Evangelicals and Catholics Together’ accord at least demonstrated that the Roman Catholic Church is
    indeed changing and becoming more biblical? Augustin Cardinal Bea, president at the time of the Vatican Secretariat for
    Promoting Christian Unity, makes clear Rome’s intentions:
    ‘The Roman Catholic Church would be gravely misunderstood if it should be concluded that her present ecumenical
    adventuresomeness and openness meant that she was prepared to reexamine any of her fixed dogmatic positions. What the
    Church is prepared to do is take…a more imaginative and contemporary presentation of these fixed positions’” (excerpt
    ended).
    OUR RESPONSIBILITY
    Our greatest responsibility is to pray and to do so with deep compassion and love. When we share these truths with Catholics,
    we must do so with a tenderness of spirit for unless the truth is told with love they will not be able to receive it. We do not need
    to come to them with “lofty words of eloquence or persuasiveness of human wisdom…(we need only share) Jesus Christ, the
    Messiah, and Him crucified “ (1Cor 2: 1-4).
    If we, or any organization, continue to call Catholics Christians, the true gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ alone will never
    be presented to those deceived Catholics, nor will born-again Catholics ever know the truth of Catholicism. They will perish. In
    Christian love must we not draw the line between what is true Christianity and what is not? To continue to accept Catholics as
    Christians is not the love of God Who wishes all to be saved and come unto a knowledge of the truth (1 Ti 2:4).
    The purpose of this paper was simply to make the truth known. The love that will be needed to share it can come only from
    prayerful time with the Lord. He has a deep burden for those caught in the web of the Catholic Church. As we pray He will
    share that burden with us that we may share His love and truth with them.
    ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
    BOOKS:
    All Roads Lead to Rome by Michael de Semlyen
    The Gospel According to Rome by James G. McCarthy
    Protestants and Catholics: Do They Now Agree? By John Ankerberg and John Weldon
    The Secrets of Romanism by Joseph Zacchello
    The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop
    A Woman Rides the Beast by Dave Hunt
    WEB SITES and MINISTRIES:
    http://www.pro-gospel.org Mike Gendron, Proclaiming the Gospel P.O. Box 940871 Plano, TX 75094.
    e-mail: ptg@pro-gospel.org
    http://www.gnfc.org
    http://www.reachingcatholics.org/articles.html
    Barbara Wilhelm, Sept.2001
     
  2. mattfivefour

    mattfivefour Administrator Staff Member

  3. lightofmylife

    lightofmylife Blessed Hope-Prepare To Fly!

    Lot of information there about the RCC. Thanks :) for sharing!:thumbup:thumbup
     
  4. chaser

    chaser Well-Known Member

    I would like to state that while I was attending RCC until I was 30 or so, that I was raised in it as a child, being of Italian decent we had no choice in the matter, when I was young it was all in Latin. Even as a child it seemed like a bunch of hocus-pocus, dark, lots of rules sort of regimental. Having saving faith in Christ for me is eye opening spiritually, and is an ongoing adventure, with Him, I know I am His, Sealed, He will never leave me or forsake me, when you realize that you are forgiven and have peace, that surpasses all understanding. I never had that in RCC, I new I was a sinner but I felt doomed, no chance, always waiting for the hammer to fall, no clear picture of our Father, or the Son, no help from the Holy Spirit. I know we are not to go by feelings, but I feel safe now, safe in His word, I am forgiven by the blood of the Lamb, safe in His forgiveness by accepting the Son's finished work for me at the cross, it is like so much has been lifted off of me.
     
  5. borrowedtime

    borrowedtime Well-Known Member

    Glad you came out of there!

    Good info. Lots of head shaking, but good info.
     
  6. Everlasting Life

    Everlasting Life Through Faith in Jesus

    That's so wonderful! Sounds like you are experiencing peace, security and assurance in the Lord. Oh, and FREEDOM!! :)
     
  7. Ryan Hebert

    Ryan Hebert Active Member

    Great write up.
    I was raised Southern Baptist- I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior as a child and married a man who was raised Catholic. We live in SE Louisiana, where the majority are Catholic. It is sooooooo hard being a Christian living in a non-Christian area. It's incredibly hard being married into a family of Catholics. Thanks be to the Lord above for removing the veil from my husband's eyes years ago. He has since found salvation and was baptized into our current Baptist church.

    People of the RCC are very defensive about their faith and I have learned it the hard way. I try to just be a good testimony for Jesus in hopes of rubbing off. I have one friend who curses like a sailor but loves the RCC and is there every chance she gets. She has brought up several times how nothing foul ever comes out of my mouth, so I'm hoping and praying I'm making a difference in her life.

    I guess there really isn't a point to my post. Just wanted to get off my chest how hard living here is. I love this forum, but I mainly just read and rarely post.

    Edit... My name is Ryan, but I am a woman. I was named after the 1970s soap opera "Ryan's Hope".
     
  8. Brother Albert R.

    Brother Albert R. Well-Known Member

    Since tradition in their view relies on people that have "handed down through legitimate pastors of the Church from age to age" they also are quick to quote Paul,
    (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
    "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."

    So, when I talk to them, I challenge them to show me a tradition that they have that cannot be found in the bible but that they can trace back to the Apostles. They usually say baptism or communion, so I tell them that those traditions are found in the bible. So I repeat myself and ask "Where are the traditions that you follow that are outside the bible that can be traced back to the apostles?" Mostly there is silence from them or some may say that the bible backs up all their traditions, to which I say, "then you believe in sola scriptura as I do". A look of disapproval comes over their face as they try to deny "sola scriptura".
    I love the Catholics, so I engage them with Gods' word,
    Brother Albert
    PS
    Sola scriptura
    Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice. Sola scriptura does not deny that other authorities govern Christian life and devotion, but sees them all as subordinate to and corrected by the written word of God.
     
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  9. Chris

    Chris Administrator Staff Member

    Good OP. We've got a good bit of Mike Gendron's articles on the main site. You can find them in the RCC section here:

    https://www.raptureforums.com/category/roman-catholicism/

    Perhaps you folks can share that link with people so they can learn about the errors of the Cult of Rome. Praying for Catholics to come to the loving and saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ by grace thru faith. :thumbup
     
  10. jcgss77

    jcgss77 Well-Known Member

    @chaser -Thank you for your wonderful thread here! I knew of a bit of what you posted, but placing a compendium of sorts all in one place of the similarities, and more importantly the differences above is absolutely welcomed. You have certainly helped shed yet more of my ignorance, as well as increased my horror with the RCC's additional edicts of further bondage.
     
  11. MAJ

    MAJ Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting this. It's a pretty helpful resource!

    Though I've gotta say it makes my heart sink when I think of the Catholic family I've been praying for, especially for their daughter, Rachel.

    It's awkward bringing her up because by mentioning her I feel like some people look down on me and assume I'm only praying for her because I have a crush on her. Admittedly, yes, Rachel's very pretty... but I've encountered plenty of girls in life that were pretty! Doesn't mean I liked them.

    But without sounding cliche or trite... Rachel was different. And I really mean that. There was just something so different about her. And it was a great sort of different! She had this energy... this spark about her that was SO different from anyone else that I've ever met! She was so kind and so down to earth and arguably one of the least conceited people I've ever met. I see her... and all that I want for her is what's best for her.

    And what's best for her is Jesus. And I mean the REAL Jesus; not the phony faith + works Jesus of the RCC.

    This time a year ago, I didn't even know who she was. It wasn't until back in September of last year (2017) that I finally met her... and boy did she leave an impact on my heart. And when I discovered she was Catholic my heart sank.

    I just can't bear the thought... the possibility... of a girl as likeable and as classy as Rachel, and her family, potentially winding up in hell because of Catholicism. She has her whole life ahead of her... and the idea of her and her family being left behind burdens my heart dearly.

    I tried warning and witnessing to her, but after I did I backed off and haven't spoken to her since. I was just worried if I pushed too much she might become obstinate and harden her heart toward anything else I might say. I figured backing off and giving her space to digest what I said was probably best.

    It stinks though. I really miss her :notworthy All I've been doing since November is pray for her. Literally every day since either November 21st or 22nd I've been praying for her salvation and for God to pour out a spirit of awakening over Rachel and her family. Part of me wishes I could've been praying longer but again, I didn't even know who she was this time a year ago! So I've tried to do my best in regards of offering up prayers for her and her family.

    I just want what's best for her. Part of me fears I'm praying out of selfishness. I really DO want her in heaven... but then again, how is that any different from those of us who want our kids/family/friends/coworkers in heaven, etc.?

    I just don't want to see Rachel, who I believe is one of the most wonderful human beings I have ever met, have her life destroyed by false religion. My prayer is that God would rescue her and her family out of Catholicism's clutches.

    So thanks for posting this. Its helped add to my growing knowledge of what Catholicism is and maybe how to reach some of them.

    I just pray God reaches Rachel and her family before it's too late. I know there's going to be plenty of people in heaven... but if Rachel isn't there...

    ... I don't know. It hurts too much for me to dwell too long on that thought...
     
  12. Everlasting Life

    Everlasting Life Through Faith in Jesus

    Certainly not! You are exhibiting a Godly concern for another human being, as all Christians should. :nod


    All I've been doing since November is pray for her. Literally every day since either November 21st or 22nd I've been praying for her salvation and for God to pour out a spirit of awakening over Rachel and her family. Part of m
    e wishes I could've been praying longer but again, I didn't even know who she was this time a year ago! So I've tried to do my best in regards of offering up prayers for her and her family.


    It certainly sounds like God has put it on your heart to pray for her. I'll continue to join you in prayer for her family. :nod :pray

    I just pray God reaches Rachel and her family before it's too late. I know there's going to be plenty of people in heaven... but if Rachel isn't there...

    MAJ, you have such a wonderful desire to see someone come to salvation. There have been times where I've been praying over a situation, not knowing for a long time what was going on, how things were going, and even wondering if my prayers were effective, etc. and in time God showed me that He was working all along. God is faithful, if there's anything I've learned, He really is. God can use your witnessing words well after you have spoken them. Many a people have had a memory come to them, at just the right time, of words spoken to them in regards to the Gospel. And...God used those words to prompt them in the right direction.

    I'm sure God is hearing yours and other's prayers in regards to Rachel and her family. I'll also be praying that somehow you will receive assurance from God in regards to this. :hug
     
  13. Channah

    Channah Well-Known Member

    The Vatican is full of idols in it. In front is an obelisk. When you walk into the Vatican it overloads you with all the art, the cups, the statues, the gold color, everything about it is vulgar. It seemed to me that there was nothing but material stuff in it and could not find a single place where you could actually sit and contemplate.

    I bought a rosary for 21 Euros in Venice and it was so beautiful that I thought I would bring it back to my sister but at the hotel when I was getting ready to leave, I sensed that the Holy Spirit did not want me to pack it so I just left it there at the hotel. I then realized why would I give an idol rosary to my sister who would use it to pray with it. Muslims also use beads (rosary).
     
  14. chaser

    chaser Well-Known Member

    bump
     
  15. billy swinea

    billy swinea Well-Known Member

    WOW CHASER THAT WAS VERY INLIGHTNING! THANK YOU BROTHER FOR THIS POST! I LEARNED A LOT. I AM SURE GLAD YOU FOUND THE RIGHT PATH! I LOVE YOU IN JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME! Billy
     
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  16. chaser

    chaser Well-Known Member

    Thanks Billy, I spent a long time, many hours searching and reading so many articles trying to find a side by side comparison. I notice lately some of our new members are coming out of RCC and thought this should be "bumped " to keep it easy to find. The article is very informative and could be eye opening for someone still in RCC but searching . I was Catholic and did not know as much as is stated in this piece. Praising Jesus everyday that I am free of it !
     
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  17. Shonsu

    Shonsu Borg # 8675309

    I too live in SE Louisiana so I know what you are talking about. One of the biggest problems is that if you talk to them about Jesus then they'll just say that they believe in Jesus too. Then what? If you never get into the details then they will remain lost.
     
  18. Everlasting Life

    Everlasting Life Through Faith in Jesus

    I wonder if directing conversation to what John 3 says could be an eye opener? Or perhaps sharing personal testimony about coming to a full understanding of the Gospel (without directly attacking RCC-keep defenses down). One could use the "I believe in Jesus too" as a step to talk further on your expanded belief and what you've learned.

    Sometimes sharing in a way that gives food for thought in a nuetral manner can open doors. When hit with the truth, people can come to their own conclusions about untruth. And, God can cause His Word and our testimonies to penetrate hearts.

    Not saying this is the only way, but, I found this in answer to prayer, a very helpful way to open the eyes of one who was Catholic. He later was saved just before passing away, praise God! :nod
     
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  19. Accepted

    Accepted Well-Known Member

    Actually, this is the perfect opening to share with Catholics! We do have common ground in Jesus! I was raised in a strongly Catholic family, with only Catholics going back for generations on both sides. I believed in Jesus, and would look at that figure on the cross over the altar and marvel that He would die for us... but I did not know the Bible well. So, when someone shared with me that Jesus said ‘you must be born again,’ well, if Jesus said that, tell me how to do it! Also, verses that show we can have assurance of our salvation were eye-opening to me.

    Once I received Christ, the Holy Spirit did the rest. I initially tried to stay in the church, but soon the Lord led me out (I was a teenager then). So, the most fruitful thing in sharing with Catholics is to start with our common ground in Jesus, not to criticize Catholicism. Those who want to know the truth will respond!
     

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