Rapture will cause Chaos on the earth?

Andy C

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I'm using both 1 cor. 15 and 1thess. 4 if you read it together you'll see that there has to be a gap, no other explanation how big is the question my thinking is a few minutes, won't be hours or as little as a second or two.
Maybe you you a slow twitch eye, but for me, the twinkling of an eye is very fast. Note below - Trumpet sounds, dead rise, we rise if still alive, then it says WE SHALL BE CHANGED - we as in the dead, and those alive, twinkling of an eye.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 

daygo

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Our transformation will be instant, faster than a second. But whether we will rise immediately or linger for a few seconds or a minute or so, I think that remains to be seen.
Agree hidden at the moment which I can be wrong thinking of a few minutes all depends on the number of those that precede us. So thinking would be nice if there was a gap between us changing and going up to meet the Lord Jesus then we could all do a bit of explaining things to those around us.
 

daygo

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Maybe you you a slow twitch eye, but for me, the twinkling of an eye is very fast. Note below - Trumpet sounds, dead rise, we rise if still alive, then it says WE SHALL BE CHANGED - we as in the dead, and those alive, twinkling of an eye.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
My comment is not how fast we'll change but on the words precede, first then after that, the word THEN. Can't understand why people are ignoring those two words.
 

Andy C

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My comment is not how fast we'll change but on the words precede, first then after that, the word THEN. Can't understand why people are ignoring those two words.
Im not ignoring the word “then”, I just think its all done in a flash. Whatever “Gap” between those who are dead, and those alive in going up is probably such a small amount of time that it cant be measured.
 

Saved and Waiting

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I totally believe we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye...however, while Jesus is descending He shouts (Come Up Here!) with the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet call of God.

from Jack Kelley:

One day when we least expect it, He’ll come like a thief in the night and spirit us away to our new home. For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so will we be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17).



Many believe the trumpet will be a shofar and listening to different shofar presentations, I have heard a low, slow start of the blowing and it builds from there. What I'm saying is it doesn"t seem the shofar will only blow out one or two "name that tune" sounds...I tend to believe Jesus will shout Come Up Here with clear and precise words...not hurried and jumbled, then the shofar will sound beautifully, the dead shall rise, and then we who are alive will change instantly meeting them in the air. The Shout, the Trumpet, the Change from corruptible to uncorruptible. I do not believe unbeliever's will hear the shout or the trumpet but when we are gone to Our Father's House, people will know something has happened. Just my thoughts...we will hopefully know soon:pray
 

kathymendel

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I don't believe there are plans to allow the believing ones alive at the time of the rapture to have a gap of time to witness to the
unsaved. We are supposed to be doing that NOW! When the rapture happens in the blink of an eye, the church age ends,
just as quickly. We, and the Holy Spirit will be gone................. Yes, the Holy Spirit comes back to earth to work in a new and
different way, but our job ends in that split-second moment and we are gone. I see nothing in scripture that suggests a gap of
any kind. The dead in Christ rise first, receiving their new bodies instantaneously, and we rise up and are changed immediately after.
 

daygo

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Im not ignoring the word “then”, I just think its all done in a flash. Whatever “Gap” between those who are dead, and those alive in going up is probably such a small amount of time that it cant be measured.
It is all done in a flash, but there has to be a gap if your talking a bout 6 or 7 going up it's different to hundreds of thousands or millions. It says we certainly will not precede those going before us, so they'll go first then I repeat then we who are alive will meet Jesus, so there's definitely a gap, how big is difficult to answer but imo it's totally impossible to assume its less than a second, as spock used to say not logical captain.
 

daygo

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I totally believe we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye...however, while Jesus is descending He shouts (Come Up Here!) with the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet call of God.

from Jack Kelley:

One day when we least expect it, He’ll come like a thief in the night and spirit us away to our new home. For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so will we be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17).



Many believe the trumpet will be a shofar and listening to different shofar presentations, I have heard a low, slow start of the blowing and it builds from there. What I'm saying is it doesn"t seem the shofar will only blow out one or two "name that tune" sounds...I tend to believe Jesus will shout Come Up Here with clear and precise words...not hurried and jumbled, then the shofar will sound beautifully, the dead shall rise, and then we who are alive will change instantly meeting them in the air. The Shout, the Trumpet, the Change from corruptible to uncorruptible. I do not believe unbeliever's will hear the shout or the trumpet but when we are gone to Our Father's House, people will know something has happened. Just my thoughts...we will hopefully know soon:pray
I wonder if unbelievers will hear something but not know anything about it, thinking of Paul on way to Damascus he heard Jesus, others heard something but couldn't make out what it was. Acts ch. 9 v 7.
 
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