Rapture – Not in the Bible?

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Rapture – Not in the Bible?
By Dennis Huebshman

Wish I had just a dime for every time I have heard someone say the Rapture isn’t real because it isn’t in the Bible.

Ok, if this scenario holds true, then TRINITY doesn’t exist because it isn’t specifically in the Bible. Also, BIBLE, VANILLA, CHOCOLATE and BUTTER PECAN don’t exist either. I can just about hear you laughing right now as we all know these things really do exist. However, these actual words are not in God’s Holy Letter.

God did not intend for us to be so engrossed as to be skeptical of the absence of such a word. He does expect us to use some COMMON SENSE in figuring some things out which have common meanings. Rapture comes from a word RAPTUS in the Latin Vulgate, and in Greek HARPAZO. One meaning of this is “caught up” as given in 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-18.

Also, how about Acts 1: 9-10. Jesus was “lifted up” into a cloud. Isn’t that what Paul said would happen to all believers – the dead in Christ first and then all who are still alive? Therefore, we have a “Rapture” or “Harpazo” or “Caught up” as described in the Bible as Jesus was caught up. It’s just that His going up was a lot slower than we will see when the Shofar/Trumpet sounds. Ours will be the Blink of an Eye.

The fact “Trinity” does not appear in the Bible does not mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit do not exist, but they are definitely referenced in many places. Genesis 1:26 is the first reference to a plural Godhead as God said let “us” make man.

Jesus constantly spoke of He and the Father being the same, which is two parts of the Trinity. In John 14: 16-17, Jesus refers to sending an “advocate” the “Spirit of Truth” to be with his disciples and by extension, to be with all who accept Him as Savior. This is the third person of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit Trinity. No mortal man can explain how this is possible, but we have faith that God’s word is true, and the Trinity is real. When we get Home, all will become clear to us.

Trying to be too literal sometimes causes issues. I believe God provided the words that we should be able to understand by applying common sense. Many people believe Revelation is just a bunch of myths and is not to be taken as real. Question, how would a first century Christian describe a helicopter or missiles or nuclear warfare when none of this existed then? Also, why would the Father give us 65 books of prophecy and instruction and leave the last book as pure fantasy?

Jesus provided John a vocabulary that the people of that era could relate to. By taking those illustrations and applying them to today, we can see all is actually in place for the tribulation with everything the anti-christ would need, and we can see what John actually saw.

How could the world witness the execution and later the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 if there wasn’t some method of televising it all around the world at once? No one prior to the 20th. Century ever saw a television, but John was shown how it would be seen. I imagine it just about overwhelmed him as to all the sights.

We have a mental picture of all the devastation that will occur during the tribulation, but even then we can’t imagine just how horrible it really will be. We’re told it will be a time as never has been on this earth, and if the days were not cut short, no one would survive. (Matthew 24:22)

One thing that helps when reading God’s word is to ask Him to have the Holy Spirit provide understanding as to what we are reading, and how the passages apply to us today. There have been times I have read verses over and over again, but they really didn’t sink in until I went to the Father and asked for understanding. After my mind-block cleared, I realized I was trying too hard to understand just how clear things really are.

One thing people do that needs to stop is trying to find out what Works they have to do, or how they can Earn their own salvation. Jesus was very clear on this. Accept Him as God’s Son who came to earth to be our perfect sacrifice for our sins. Ask Him to forgive our sins and come into our hearts and be our Savior. Accept this as a FREE GIFT and know that there aren’t enough works or things you can do to earn your salvation if you lived a million lifetimes. Some examples of this are John 3:18; 1 John 5: 10-12; John 14:6 just to name a couple.

If you accept Jesus, you have the Father and the Holy Spirit will come to dwell in you. Period. This is the perfect relationship with the Trinity.

Remember, when the common (plain) sense makes good sense, accept no other sense or you will have nonsense. I can’t remember who said that first, but I’ve heard it from numerous speakers. Thing is, it makes sense!

Maranatha – Come our Blessed Lord Jesus!

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ozaprah

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Side note: There is a good chance the "us" referred to was God's council.

Unless someone can find a passage in the Bible that indicates that angels are also made in the likeness or image of God, then I can't really see how that passage refers to anyone else except the Trinity. One to look up in the records when we get there...
 

DanLMP

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Unless someone can find a passage in the Bible that indicates that angels are also made in the likeness or image of God, then I can't really see how that passage refers to anyone else except the Trinity. One to look up in the records when we get there...

Please refer to Dr. Michael Heiser for more information on this concept.
 

mattfivefour

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Sorry, brother. I have read Dr. Heiser's thesis that there are many gods under one great Triune God (the operative word being "under") and I cannot find the truth of the Bible in it. It is a very clever hypothesis that leans heavily on the theologies of the ancient pagan cultures that preceded and were contemporaneous with the original Hebrews. While his arguments attempt to "solve" some Scriptural "difficulties" regarding the use of the word "elohim" while maintaining the truth of a Triune God, his theory, imo, ends up actually creating greater doubts about God and the Bible.

I am satisfied with the concept of ONE God, self-existent, and eternal, consisting of three persons of ONE essence: a concept as hard for us to wrap our human minds around as are simpler things found within our own area of quantum science— such as light moving faster than the speed of light, as manifested by Cherenkov radiation; light slowing down from 186,000 miles per second to just 38 miles per hour in a bizarre state called a Bose-Einstein condensate; how one particle somewhere can alter the action of another particle that is totally unrelated either in time or space (in other words it could alter a particle on the other side of the universe and one that existed in the past!) How about there not being just 3 or 4 dimensions, but 11 (as M-theory suggests)? Or 26 dimensions as bosonic string theories posit? My mind has difficulty grasping 4! Or how about the bizarre contradictory state of Schrodinger's cat?

The world is a weird and wonder-filled place that not even the greatest scientists can understand (Steven Hawking's growing megalomania notwithstanding). Neil's Bohr said, "If you can think about quantum theory without getting dizzy, you don't get it." Richard Feynman said, "I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum." Yet the reality of quantum theory can be demonstrated in the lab, while the mechanics of quantum make no sense even to many scientists."

My point is simply this: man cannot properly grasp the world in which he lives and, unable and/or unwilling to accept that fact, he forms theories which he attempts to test in a physical laboratory. Likewise man cannot properly grasp the nature of eternity of the One God who dwells in it. And unable or unwilling to accept that fact, he forms theories which he attempts to test in an intellectual laboratory. All of which may be interesting, but may minister as many (if not far more) erroneous results as accurate ones.

Theology—which purports to be the study of God—should not attempt to function to make us understand the un-understandable. It should function to reveal what God has told us and wants us to know, in order to strengthen our faith and to help us deal with what God has revealed, not satisfy our insatiable intellectual curiosity. Deuteronomy 29:29 is not just a sentence made up of words, but a firm teaching that we should accept. There is enough in God's Word to keep us busy in its understanding and (more importantly) its application to our lives. Let's not wander off attempting to seek the deeper things of God which HE has chosen not to reveal. That only leads to uncertain speculation about the hidden things of God, the possible development of theories that are at variance with the revealed truth of God's Word, and the creation of doubts about what God HAS revealed of Himself and His Creation.

Speaking for RF, we are satisfied to accept that God is God and needed no council of other lesser "gods" in order to decide what He would or should do. The great words "Let us" can be easily and properly understood as the sovereign fiat of the one God eternally existent in the persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. No other "gods" necessary. Or wanted.
 

Ahwatukee

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Unless someone can find a passage in the Bible that indicates that angels are also made in the likeness or image of God, then I can't really see how that passage refers to anyone else except the Trinity. One to look up in the records when we get there...

I was going to say the same thing. That scripture, along with "Let 'us' go down and confound their language" refers to the Godhead.
 

Len

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Theology—which purports to be the study of God—should not attempt to function to make us understand the un-understandable. It should function to reveal what God has told us and wants us to know, in order to strengthen our faith and to help us deal with what God has revealed, not satisfy our insatiable intellectual curiosity.
Lord I for one need to know and learn more of you, your son and your Holy Spirit that we may all be one .....
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
 

duckdogger

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M54? I like it. Makes you more reachable where as Matt, 5 sons, and 4 daughters (fish, birds, cats, whatever applies) is a totally different paradigm.

Anyway, is the triune God: Father, Son, and Spirit, not a pattern for man? In our temporal instance we are sons, obedient to our father. Then we become fathers yet still respectful and obedient to our fathers and influenced by his attitudes and demonstrated behaviors. In our absence, our children are guided by their memories of us as their father and thereby are influenced by our spirit.

Or not. Did I mention I like the M54?
 

Jonathan

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These levels of arguments always frustrate me to no end. Wouldn't you know it, the English word "GOD" is not mentioned once in the Bible, not once, at least if you are looking to the original texts. Does that mean God doesn't exist? And by that I mean, he is always referred to in various Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic words depicting His various titles. If you go through a Greek Bible, the word "GOD" will not appear. Correct me if I am wrong.

Likewise, neither will "Rapture." But "Harpazo" surely will just as "Adonai" or "YHVH" will appear whereas the English "God" does not.

There is a reason they call them translations.

And in terms of stuff apart from translation, God gave us a perfect message. Perfect doesn't mean complete. It just means it it is perfectly what we need to know at this stage and is not lacking. The perfect recipe for a corn dog, the proper thrust-weight ratio of a rocket ship, telescopic optics, HDTVs, etc. are not in the Bible. They are real. Maybe it suits God's great pleasure to see his creations figuring it out for themselves, and we both enjoy the experience.

The Bible is the moral and spiritual WORD of GOD to us, his creations, at this stage in the game. It is perfect. That doesn't mean it covers everything. It's not supposed to. It is meant to cover the only thing that truly matters. Our relationship with Him.
 
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