Rambling Thoughts

cavalier973

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New Jerusalem is stated to be 1,400 miles long on each side, and 1,400 miles tall.

The "floor" of the city is, then 1,960,000 square miles, a little over half the size of the continental U.S.

If New Jerusalem were divided into levels, each a mile high, that would be 1,400 levels, each 1,960,000 square miles big. That is 2,744,000,000 square miles total.

The surface area of the entire Earth is 196,900,000 square miles.

That means that living space in the home that our Lord Jesus is building for us has nearly 140 times the amount of living space of the Earth--including, I presume, Antartica, which is not truly someplace one could live.
 

cavalier973

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It is strange to me that demons are hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, but show,up rather frequently in the Gospels and the Acts.

I wonder why children were demon possessed, as well. Bad parenting?

The demons had to get permission from our Lord Jesus to enter a herd of pigs. Is that, like, a principle of demon possession--they need permission--or, was that a special case, since pigs aren't sentient, or something?
 

moosejive

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It is strange to me that demons are hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, but show,up rather frequently in the Gospels and the Acts.

I wonder why children were demon possessed, as well. Bad parenting?

The demons had to get permission from our Lord Jesus to enter a herd of pigs. Is that, like, a principle of demon possession--they need permission--or, was that a special case, since pigs aren't sentient, or something?
I think that doors are opened for demonic oppression or possession by what people do or say. If someone is dabbling in witchcraft, psychic/fortune telling, cult activities, drugs, etc. it will allow an opening or invitation for those evil spirits. As Jesus said in Matthew 12:43-45:

43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
 

cavalier973

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My favorite Bible passage is John 14:1-3.

"1 ¶Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

Why are their hearts troubled? Because, in the immediately preceding passage, He had told them that one of them was a traitor, that He was going somewhere and that they wouldn't be able to follow Him, and that Peter would deny him thrice before the rooster crows. Heavy stuff to drop on a group that was likely expecting to see Him call fire from heaven to destroy His enemies.

In any case, He says, "in My Father's house are many mansions". None of those mansions are for the Church. He didn't add, "and each of you is going to get one." He said that He was building a new place for the Church. I posted earlier my calculations for the amount of space in New Jerusalem; what we also know from John's sparse description is that the walls are of pure, transparent gold. That means that wherever one stands in the city, the view is spectacular. The twelve foundations of differing gemstones likely means the city is ablaze with color--a stained-glass city.
 

RonJohnSilver

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There is a great deal of history that is not in the Bible since it is not a history book. If all of history was included, I suspect that demonic activity would be more noticeable. Demonic or Satanic intervention/interference is implied though, in many of the books, starting in Genesis and continuing through nearly every book.
 

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
My favorite Bible passage is John 14:1-3.

"1 ¶Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

Why are their hearts troubled? Because, in the immediately preceding passage, He had told them that one of them was a traitor, that He was going somewhere and that they wouldn't be able to follow Him, and that Peter would deny him thrice before the rooster crows. Heavy stuff to drop on a group that was likely expecting to see Him call fire from heaven to destroy His enemies.

In any case, He says, "in My Father's house are many mansions". None of those mansions are for the Church. He didn't add, "and each of you is going to get one." He said that He was building a new place for the Church. I posted earlier my calculations for the amount of space in New Jerusalem; what we also know from John's sparse description is that the walls are of pure, transparent gold. That means that wherever one stands in the city, the view is spectacular. The twelve foundations of differing gemstones likely means the city is ablaze with color--a stained-glass city.
I was just thinking about how New Jerusalem would look like earlier today and it was inline with what you are describing.
Obviously it will be beyond any normal form of comprehension.
I absolutely love glass , especially stained glass art and the like .
So a stained glass city sounds awesome.
 

Andy C

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New Jerusalem is stated to be 1,400 miles long on each side, and 1,400 miles tall.

The "floor" of the city is, then 1,960,000 square miles, a little over half the size of the continental U.S.

If New Jerusalem were divided into levels, each a mile high, that would be 1,400 levels, each 1,960,000 square miles big. That is 2,744,000,000 square miles total.

The surface area of the entire Earth is 196,900,000 square miles.

That means that living space in the home that our Lord Jesus is building for us has nearly 140 times the amount of living space of the Earth--including, I presume, Antartica, which is not truly someplace one could live.
Thats room for a lot of mansions, but we all know in real estate its not the size, but its location, location, so anywhere in New Jerusalem will be eternally satisfying.
 

cavalier973

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A really cool insight from my 9 year old son, concerning the Believers in Berea.

We have no letter from Paul to them, but two letters from him to Thessalonica. Why? Because the Bereans studied the (Old Covenant) Scriptures to see if Paul's teaching were true. The Thessalonians got tricked, because they, by inference, failed to check the Scriptures.
 

ItIsFinished!

Blood bought child of the King of kings.
A really cool insight from my 9 year old son, concerning the Believers in Berea.

We have no letter from Paul to them, but two letters from him to Thessalonica. Why? Because the Bereans studied the (Old Covenant) Scriptures to see if Paul's teaching were true. The Thessalonians got tricked, because they, by inference, failed to check the Scriptures.
That is a great observation from a young boy.
:thumbup
 

cavalier973

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It is hard to see it, because Hollywood plays it so serious, but our Lord Jesus has a marvellous sense of humor.
 

cavalier973

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Modern humans have embraced ideologies that I am certain were developed by entities that hate humans with a furious passion.

What follows is a rather stream-of-consciousness rant.

I remember, a few years back, an urban myth circulating that men thought about sex every seven seconds. A ridiculous assertion, but any man who believed it then felt himself justified by indulging in pornographic thoughts. "Hey, that's just what I do, as a man. You can't change nature!"

The sexual revolution started in the 1920's, not the 1960's. Read the literature of the era; it is muted, but sexual profligacy was promoted, and traditional values--especially Christian cultural values--were scorned. My favorite novel from the era is "Babbitt" by Sinclair Lewis, and it is rife with descriptions of Christian hypocrisy. Lewis hated Christians. He probably still does.

The Depression forced people to be more "traditional" in their day-to-day lives, but the seed of sexual revolution were sown. The motion picture industry fertilized and watered and cultivated it.

The sexual revolution has retarded that ability and desire of men to innovate and build and strengthen the parts of society that are beneficial; it has made us lazy. What point is there to ensuring a sound financial situation in order to marry and raise a family, in a society of promiscuous women? Even if a man finds a "good woman", how will he know that she won't cheat on him?

I am sure that no woman wants a used up man, either, who carries around in his body multiple STDs and memories of past lovers. Why marry when the husband is as likely to dump her in favor of a younger, prettier girl, after she has borne his children and been faithful to him for years? What is the point of being faithful to a man who isnt himself faithful? It isnt fair.

On the other hand, we can see this cycle throughout history. In the High Renaissance, there was a syphillis outbreak so severe that it sounds like a literal zombie apocalypse. We know from the Bible about the evil activities that Israel, God's chosen people, engaged in.

People don't need encouragement to sin. Our hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked. Demonic spirits help that along with their whispered lies and false promises of happiness. Unbearable grief is the result.

Thank God He sent His Son to fix all that.
 

cavalier973

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"The writer of Hebrews indicated that he and his audience were living in the 'last days'. How can it be 'the last days', when it has been two thousand years, and counting?"

I analogize this to a baseball game. Baseball goes for nine innings, and doesnt stop until the team at bat either scores the most points at the bottom of the ninth, or is counted out three times without accumulating more points than the pitching team. The game could end at the top of the ninth, if the team that bats at the bottom of the inning already has more points than the other team.

In any case, it is possible in baseball that that last, ninth, inning could last longer than the other eight innings combined, if certain conditions are right. If, say, the pitching team at the bottom of the ninth had run up the score, but then the batting team seems to finally start scoring runs. A lot of things go on in baseball that take time: the pitcher could waste a lot of time trying to get a player out who is already on one of the bases. A batter could hit foul balls consistently.

In any case, those watching the game know that they are watching the last inning, and they generally know how long it is supposed to last, but they know that the inning is drawing to a close based on how close the score is, and how many outs there are.

In our case, the way I see it, Satan is at bat. His needs to score enough runs, before getting struck out thrice.

Israel became a nation in 1948. That's the first out. We know that the ending of these last days--this last inning of history--is closer to being at an end. There are two more outs people can watch for. Out number two will be the pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church. Out three will be our Lord Jesus's promised second coming. Then, it will be game over.
 

antitox

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IMO, the 3000 yrs of the church age or somewhere close to that is the "last days." One example is
Hosea 6:2 "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him."

I believe the earth will have been here 7000 yrs.
 

cavalier973

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Maybe technology completely breaks down during the 70th week, which is why a visible mark is required to buy and sell. The earthly powers will no longer have the ability to electronically monitor and control finances.
 

cavalier973

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Speculation: had the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah 2,000 or so years ago, the Romans would have crucified Him, He would have risen again, the Tribulation would have started almost immediately after, followed by Jesus's second coming and the "Millenial Kingdom".

Only, it would not have been limited to a thousand years. It would have stretched all the way to today. It is only in Revelation that we learn that the promised Kingdom is a thousand years long; that time limit was the contingency for the Jews' rejection of their Messiah--which is what happened.
 
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