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Flyfisher

Well-Known Member
Ok if Egypt is to be laid waste for 40 years

I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. Ezekiel 29:6-11

wouldn’t this put the end of the tribulation and start of the MK 40+ years away. The reason I ask is that I would think all the land in the MK would be completely healed and open to man and beast?
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
Ok if Egypt is to be laid waste for 40 years

I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. Ezekiel 29:6-11

wouldn’t this put the end of the tribulation and start of the MK 40+ years away. The reason I ask is that I would think all the land in the MK would be completely healed and open to man and beast?
Good question, i can't recall anything like this happening to Egypt in their history.
 

Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
Ok i've found something from our favourite biblical teacher Jack Kelly,he's also of the opinion that this judgment has never occured in Egypt's history and must be a future event.

Now he seems to think that this judgment could occur in the MK which is a possibility for it does mention that if any nation that any nation doesn't come to Jerusalem to partake in the feast of tabernacles, he would serve a judgment on the nation such as withholding rain .
 

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. Ezekiel 29:6-11

This is discussed in Footsteps of the Messiah. Pages 497-501. In short, Peace will come between Israel and Egypt initially be means of destruction and later by means of conversion....

Because of Egypt's longstanding hatred of Israel, in the outworking of the cursing principle of the Abrahamic covenant, Egypt will suffer a desolation that will be similar to that of Edom, according to Joel 3:19. The sin of Egypt is the same as that of Edom: mistreatment of the Jews, and so punishment will come. With Edom, it will be total and permanent (desolation and wilderness). But with Egypt, it will be total yet temporary (desolation but not wilderness). In fact, the desolation of Egypt is to last only for the first forty years of the Kingdom, as recorded in Eze 29:1-16.

Peace will come between Israel and Egypt by means of conversion. Only when the Egyptians worship the same God as Israel, through Jesus the Messiah, will peace finally come. For the first forty years of the KIngdom, the land of Egypt will be desolate and the Egyptians will be dispersed all over the world. But afterwards, the Egyptians will be regathered, becoming a kingdom again.

The reason I ask is that I would think all the land in the MK would be completely healed and open to man and beast?

Edom, which Arnold puts in southern Jordan, will remain a wasteland throughout the Millennium. Babylon is the other area that will be a wasteland and uninhabitable throughout the Millennium.

Throughout the Kingdom period, no man will even so much as pass by the ruins of Babylon, something that is hardly true today. Not only is Babylon to be a desolate wasted throughout the Kingdom, it will also be a place of continual burning and smoke throughout the Millennium, according to Rev 19:3. (Taken from Footsteps pg 504)
 

Flyfisher

Well-Known Member
This is discussed in Footsteps of the Messiah. Pages 497-501. In short, Peace will come between Israel and Egypt initially be means of destruction and later by means of conversion....

Because of Egypt's longstanding hatred of Israel, in the outworking of the cursing principle of the Abrahamic covenant, Egypt will suffer a desolation that will be similar to that of Edom, according to Joel 3:19. The sin of Egypt is the same as that of Edom: mistreatment of the Jews, and so punishment will come. With Edom, it will be total and permanent (desolation and wilderness). But with Egypt, it will be total yet temporary (desolation but not wilderness). In fact, the desolation of Egypt is to last only for the first forty years of the Kingdom, as recorded in Eze 29:1-16.

Peace will come between Israel and Egypt by means of conversion. Only when the Egyptians worship the same God as Israel, through Jesus the Messiah, will peace finally come. For the first forty years of the KIngdom, the land of Egypt will be desolate and the Egyptians will be dispersed all over the world. But afterwards, the Egyptians will be regathered, becoming a kingdom again.



Edom, which Arnold puts in southern Jordan, will remain a wasteland throughout the Millennium. Babylon is the other area that will be a wasteland and uninhabitable throughout the Millennium.

Throughout the Kingdom period, no man will even so much as pass by the ruins of Babylon, something that is hardly true today. Not only is Babylon to be a desolate wasted throughout the Kingdom, it will also be a place of continual burning and smoke throughout the Millennium, according to Rev 19:3. (Taken from Footsteps pg 504)
So basically certain areas will remain as either temporary or permanent warnings of God’s wrath in the MK. I am also assuming that if it was mention that God would withhold rain in the MK then there is at least one nation that will see drought.
 

katt

Well-Known Member
This is discussed in Footsteps of the Messiah. Pages 497-501. In short, Peace will come between Israel and Egypt initially be means of destruction and later by means of conversion....

Because of Egypt's longstanding hatred of Israel, in the outworking of the cursing principle of the Abrahamic covenant, Egypt will suffer a desolation that will be similar to that of Edom, according to Joel 3:19. The sin of Egypt is the same as that of Edom: mistreatment of the Jews, and so punishment will come. With Edom, it will be total and permanent (desolation and wilderness). But with Egypt, it will be total yet temporary (desolation but not wilderness). In fact, the desolation of Egypt is to last only for the first forty years of the Kingdom, as recorded in Eze 29:1-16.

Peace will come between Israel and Egypt by means of conversion. Only when the Egyptians worship the same God as Israel, through Jesus the Messiah, will peace finally come. For the first forty years of the KIngdom, the land of Egypt will be desolate and the Egyptians will be dispersed all over the world. But afterwards, the Egyptians will be regathered, becoming a kingdom again.



Edom, which Arnold puts in southern Jordan, will remain a wasteland throughout the Millennium. Babylon is the other area that will be a wasteland and uninhabitable throughout the Millennium.

Throughout the Kingdom period, no man will even so much as pass by the ruins of Babylon, something that is hardly true today. Not only is Babylon to be a desolate wasted throughout the Kingdom, it will also be a place of continual burning and smoke throughout the Millennium, according to Rev 19:3. (Taken from Footsteps pg 504)
Wonder if the oil wells will be set on fire like Saddam Hussein did to Kuwait, their oil wells have been burning ever since..
 

Len

Well-Known Member
Didn't American experts cap those wells?
WIKIPEDIA: The last well was capped on November 6, 1991. The total amount of oil burned is generally estimated at about one billion barrels of the entire one hundred four billion supply. Almost one in every 100 barrels was destroyed forever. Daily global oil consumption in 2015 is about 91.4 million barrels; the oil lost to combustion would last 11 days at modern usage rates.
 

athenasius

Well-Known Member
Ok if Egypt is to be laid waste for 40 years

I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. Ezekiel 29:6-11

wouldn’t this put the end of the tribulation and start of the MK 40+ years away. The reason I ask is that I would think all the land in the MK would be completely healed and open to man and beast?
Not necessarily and here is 1 reason why
Ok i've found something from our favourite biblical teacher Jack Kelly,he's also of the opinion that this judgment has never occured in Egypt's history and must be a future event.

Now he seems to think that this judgment could occur in the MK which is a possibility for it does mention that if any nation that any nation doesn't come to Jerusalem to partake in the feast of tabernacles, he would serve a judgment on the nation such as withholding rain .
Zech 14:17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.

However Ezekiel 29 gives cause and effect-- Egypt doesn't help Israel like they promised, so God sends a SWORD. If we look further we see that whatever happens to Egypt, it happens at the end of the Tribulation because after this event they turn to God. The REAL God of the Bible. Not their moon god Allah who hates Jews. And they never again rise to power. They remain a permanent reminder to Israel of the folly of trusting in Egypt.

As Tall Timbers mentions, there are definitely smoking ruins present during the entire Millennium. And there is the mention of the Tower of Syene. That is the ASWAN dam area.
This is discussed in Footsteps of the Messiah. Pages 497-501. In short, Peace will come between Israel and Egypt initially be means of destruction and later by means of conversion....

Because of Egypt's longstanding hatred of Israel, in the outworking of the cursing principle of the Abrahamic covenant, Egypt will suffer a desolation that will be similar to that of Edom, according to Joel 3:19. The sin of Egypt is the same as that of Edom: mistreatment of the Jews, and so punishment will come. With Edom, it will be total and permanent (desolation and wilderness). But with Egypt, it will be total yet temporary (desolation but not wilderness). In fact, the desolation of Egypt is to last only for the first forty years of the Kingdom, as recorded in Eze 29:1-16.

Peace will come between Israel and Egypt by means of conversion. Only when the Egyptians worship the same God as Israel, through Jesus the Messiah, will peace finally come. For the first forty years of the KIngdom, the land of Egypt will be desolate and the Egyptians will be dispersed all over the world. But afterwards, the Egyptians will be regathered, becoming a kingdom again.



Edom, which Arnold puts in southern Jordan, will remain a wasteland throughout the Millennium. Babylon is the other area that will be a wasteland and uninhabitable throughout the Millennium.

Throughout the Kingdom period, no man will even so much as pass by the ruins of Babylon, something that is hardly true today. Not only is Babylon to be a desolate wasted throughout the Kingdom, it will also be a place of continual burning and smoke throughout the Millennium, according to Rev 19:3. (Taken from Footsteps pg 504)

That tower of Syene is VERY significant. It is mentioned twice. the NIV will call it ASWAN but the area is the Aswan dam and the TOWER of SYENE wasn't built till 1970. It is mentioned twice, in Ezek 29 and again in Ezek 30. Look in the KJV to see the tower of Syene. It is called the Lotus Tower and the 5 petals at the top are in honor of the 5 pillars of Islam. It stands as a testament to Egypt's gratefulness to Russia in the building of the Aswan dam.

I suggest a third possibility and that is that during the Tribulation period, the Antichrist comes against Egypt. The disaster happens-- the Nile is dried up as a result, and Egyptians are scattered around the globe as refugees for 40 years.

The wording of this passage and again in Ezek 30 are THE DAY OF THE LORD - Ezek 30 v 3 and in Chapter 29 here, we can see it is a time when Israel turned to Egypt and once again wasn't helped by Egypt. But it's just before Egypt knows GOD. Since Israel will only look to GOD for help from the moment they call to Jesus at the end of the Trib, this places these 2 passages right in the Tribulation period in the second half since that is the only time when Egypt could help Israel and doesn't and right after this desolation, Egypt is permanently knowing God and weakened forever as a sign to Israel of their past foolishness in trusting Egypt.

Why the second half, not the first? Because in the first half Israel has a covenant with the Antichrist. Israel doesn't need Egypt's help. But after the Abomination of Desolation, Israel will realize the DISASTER she has brought on herself by trusting the AC, and will look for help elsewhere. Egypt is her current friend and likely to remain so. But they fail Israel again-- according to Chapter 29 vs 6 and 7. It isn't till the END of the Tribulation that Israel turns to Jesus for help.

Here is the passage in Ezek 29:1-16: I will BOLD some bits that I want to take a close look at and pay SPECIAL attention to the Then and Therefore wording.

29 In the tenth year, in the tenth month, on the twelfth day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt. 3 Speak, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Behold, I am against you,
O Pharaoh king of Egypt,
O great monster who lies in the midst of his rivers,
Who has said, ‘My River is my own;
I have made it for myself.’
4 But I will put hooks in your jaws,
And cause the fish of your rivers to stick to your scales;
I will bring you up out of the midst of your rivers,
And all the fish in your rivers will stick to your scales.
5 I will leave you in the wilderness,
You and all the fish of your rivers;
You shall fall on the open field;
You shall not be picked up or gathered.
I have given you as food
To the beasts of the field
And to the birds of the heavens.

6 “Then all the inhabitants of Egypt
Shall know that I am the Lord,

Because they have been a staff of reed to the house of Israel.
7 When they took hold of you with the hand,
You broke and tore all their shoulders;
When they leaned on you,
You broke and made all their backs quiver.”

8 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will bring a sword upon you and cut off from you man and beast. 9 And the land of Egypt shall become desolate and waste; then they will know that I am the Lord, because he said, ‘The River is mine, and I have made it.’ 10 Indeed, therefore, I am against you and against your rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia. 11 Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years. 12 I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate; and among the cities that are laid waste, her cities shall be desolate forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them throughout the countries.”

13 ‘Yet, thus says the Lord God: “At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered. 14 I will bring back the captives of Egypt and cause them to return to the land of Pathros, to the land of their origin, and there they shall be a lowly kingdom. 15 It shall be the lowliest of kingdoms; it shall never again exalt itself above the nations, for I will diminish them so that they will not rule over the nations anymore. 16 No longer shall it be the confidence of the house of Israel, but will remind them of their iniquity when they turned to follow them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord God.” ’ ”



Margery again here-- Notice what God says in Vs 6, 9 and 16. THREE TIMES God repeats the same thing. THEN they will know that I am the LORD, the Sovereign LORD. Right now they believe in Allah-- that is NOT God, that is the moon god and it's an entity that hates the Jews according to the Koran. So we know who THAT is. Egypt has to turn from that, TO GOD which can only be in the millennial reign of Christ.

So this passage can only be in the late Tribulation period -- notice that God also says in V 8 that HE brings a sword against Egypt to kill man and beast. Egypt is desolate as a result. V12 explains the 40 year aftermath of this war.

This passage also explains WHY this destruction happens in Verse 6 and 7. Israel has a bad habit of leaning on Egypt. Back in Jeremiah's day they trusted Egypt to get away from Babylon's power only to have Egypt break in the face of superior Babylonian strength. Patterns in the Bible are also considered prophetic. The last half of Ezekiel 29 refers to this problem with Babylon and Egypt. Chapter 30 goes back to discussing the destruction and mentions the TOWER OF SYENE AGAIN.


I suggest that the Tower of Syene is important for 2 reasons. If the AC wanted to devastate Egypt, blow up the dam. The resulting flood and drought would destroy Egypt's strength and the refugees would flee. Doesn't even have to be nuclear weapons but the way the dam is constructed, it would take an awful lot of energy to blow it up so nukes might be a possibility. Second reason this tower is important is that it ties both Chap 29 and 30 together as the same event.

Go to Ezek 30:1-8

30 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “Son of man, prophesy and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Wail, ‘Woe to the day!’
3 For the day is near,
Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.
4 The sword shall come upon Egypt,

And great anguish shall be in Ethiopia,
When the slain fall in Egypt,
And they take away her wealth,
And her foundations are broken down.

5 “Ethiopia, Libya, Lydia, all the mingled people, Chub, and the men of the lands who are allied, shall fall with them by the sword.”

6 ‘Thus says the Lord:

“Those who uphold Egypt shall fall,
And the pride of her power shall come down.
From Migdol to Syene
Those within her shall fall by the sword,”
Says the Lord God.

7 “They shall be desolate in the midst of the desolate countries,
And her cities shall be in the midst of the cities that are laid waste.
8 Then they will know that I am the Lord,
When I have set a fire in Egypt
And all her helpers are destroyed


9 On that day messengers shall go forth from Me in ships
To make the careless Ethiopians afraid,
And great anguish shall come upon them,
As on the day of Egypt;
For indeed it is coming!”

This part is in the Tribulation because verse 3 talks about the DAY OF THE LORD which is a term for the time of Jacob's Trouble or the Tribulation period.

The scene shifts a bit after this passage, and goes back in time to Babylon and Nebuchadnezzer. But remember that they are also a type of the Antichrist and Babylon to come. And patterns in the past get repeated prophetically as they point to future events.

Again the tower of Syene is referenced. This tower was built -- the only tower of note in the area, AFTER the Aswan dam was built in 1970. If you look up the Hebrew version of the Ezek 29 and 30 the word TOWER is there. KJV says it tower, correctly while other versions will call it Syene or Aswan. But the Hebrew, it is the Tower of Syene.

Here is part of an article written by Gary Stearman some years ago
"From several sources, it is quite easy to confirm that the biblical Syene is really Aswan. One of these is the Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, first published in 1866. It affirms the connection, from the Greek Septuagint: “[Suhnh], Syene, in the inscriptions according to Brugsch [was] the most southerly border town of Egypt in the direction of Cush, i.e. Ethiopia, on the eastern bank of the Nile, some ruins of which are still to be seen in the modern Assuan (Aswan) …” (Vol. 9, Ezekiel 29-48, p. 8).

When Keil and Delitzsch wrote their commentary in 1866, there was not a trace of the prophesied tower at Aswan. And when Ezekiel wrote his prophecy around 570 B.C., there was no tower. In fact, until the huge hydroelectric project was completed there, by the Russians and Egyptians in 1970, there was no tower at Aswan. Today, this dam is the most imposing feature of the area.... "


So I suggest that sometime after Israel wakes up to the deadly purpose of the Antichrist-- halfway thru the Tribulation, she turns to Egypt for help and is betrayed. God in turn allows the AC to attack Egypt and devastate the land from the Aswan Dam north to the mouth of the Nile river in the Med. Egypt is devastated for 40 years. After that time her refugees make their way back.

In Chapter 30 God sends FIRE on Egypt. In Chapter 29 it is a sword. The idea that a dam this size needs a nuke to destroy it isn't out of the realm of possibility so what kind of fire God sends, we don't know but looking at 29 and 30 together, a nuclear attack looks probable at least if the Tribulation is on the near horizon.

Egypt is permanently weakened and never rises to power again.

Egypt Trusts in GOD from this time forward. The REAL God. Not Allah.

And Egypt remains a signpost to Israel thru the Millennium to remember how they trusted in Egypt and were let down every single time.
 
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Spartan Sprinter 1

Formerly known as Shaun
Not necessarily and here is 1 reason why

Zech 14:17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.

However Ezekiel 29 gives cause and effect-- Egypt doesn't help Israel like they promised, so God sends a SWORD. If we look further we see that whatever happens to Egypt, it happens at the end of the Tribulation because after this event they turn to God. The REAL God of the Bible. Not their moon god Allah who hates Jews. And they never again rise to power. They remain a permanent reminder to Israel of the folly of trusting in Egypt.

As Tall Timbers mentions, there are definitely smoking ruins present during the entire Millennium. And there is the mention of the Tower of Syene. That is the ASWAN dam area.


That tower of Syene is VERY significant. It is mentioned twice. the NIV will call it ASWAN but the area is the Aswan dam and the TOWER of SYENE wasn't built till 1970. It is mentioned twice, in Ezek 29 and again in Ezek 30. Look in the KJV to see the tower of Syene. It is called the Lotus Tower and the 5 petals at the top are in honor of the 5 pillars of Islam. It stands as a testament to Egypt's gratefulness to Russia in the building of the Aswan dam.

I suggest a third possibility and that is that during the Tribulation period, the Antichrist comes against Egypt. The disaster happens-- the Nile is dried up as a result, and Egyptians are scattered around the globe as refugees for 40 years.

The wording of this passage and again in Ezek 30 are THE DAY OF THE LORD - Ezek 30 v 3 and in Chapter 29 here, we can see it is a time when Israel turned to Egypt and once again wasn't helped by Egypt. But it's just before Egypt knows GOD. Since Israel will only look to GOD for help from the moment they call to Jesus at the end of the Trib, this places these 2 passages right in the Tribulation period in the second half since that is the only time when Egypt could help Israel and doesn't and right after this desolation, Egypt is permanently knowing God and weakened forever as a sign to Israel of their past foolishness in trusting Egypt.

Why the second half, not the first? Because in the first half Israel has a covenant with the Antichrist. Israel doesn't need Egypt's help. But after the Abomination of Desolation, Israel will realize the DISASTER she has brought on herself by trusting the AC, and will look for help elsewhere. Egypt is her current friend and likely to remain so. But they fail Israel again-- according to Chapter 29 vs 6 and 7. It isn't till the END of the Tribulation that Israel turns to Jesus for help.

Here is the passage in Ezek 29:1-16: I will BOLD some bits that I want to take a close look at and pay SPECIAL attention to the Then and Therefore wording.

29 In the tenth year, in the tenth month, on the twelfth day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt. 3 Speak, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Behold, I am against you,
O Pharaoh king of Egypt,
O great monster who lies in the midst of his rivers,
Who has said, ‘My River is my own;
I have made it for myself.’
4 But I will put hooks in your jaws,
And cause the fish of your rivers to stick to your scales;
I will bring you up out of the midst of your rivers,
And all the fish in your rivers will stick to your scales.
5 I will leave you in the wilderness,
You and all the fish of your rivers;
You shall fall on the open field;
You shall not be picked up or gathered.
I have given you as food
To the beasts of the field
And to the birds of the heavens.

6 “Then all the inhabitants of Egypt
Shall know that I am the Lord,

Because they have been a staff of reed to the house of Israel.
7 When they took hold of you with the hand,
You broke and tore all their shoulders;
When they leaned on you,
You broke and made all their backs quiver.”

8 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will bring a sword upon you and cut off from you man and beast. 9 And the land of Egypt shall become desolate and waste; then they will know that I am the Lord, because he said, ‘The River is mine, and I have made it.’ 10 Indeed, therefore, I am against you and against your rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia. 11 Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years. 12 I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate; and among the cities that are laid waste, her cities shall be desolate forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them throughout the countries.”

13 ‘Yet, thus says the Lord God: “At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered. 14 I will bring back the captives of Egypt and cause them to return to the land of Pathros, to the land of their origin, and there they shall be a lowly kingdom. 15 It shall be the lowliest of kingdoms; it shall never again exalt itself above the nations, for I will diminish them so that they will not rule over the nations anymore. 16 No longer shall it be the confidence of the house of Israel, but will remind them of their iniquity when they turned to follow them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord God.” ’ ”



Margery again here-- Notice what God says in Vs 6, 9 and 16. THREE TIMES God repeats the same thing. THEN they will know that I am the LORD, the Sovereign LORD. Right now they believe in Allah-- that is NOT God, that is the moon god and it's an entity that hates the Jews according to the Koran. So we know who THAT is. Egypt has to turn from that, TO GOD which can only be in the millennial reign of Christ.

So this passage can only be in the late Tribulation period -- notice that God also says in V 8 that HE brings a sword against Egypt to kill man and beast. Egypt is desolate as a result. V12 explains the 40 year aftermath of this war.

This passage also explains WHY this destruction happens in Verse 6 and 7. Israel has a bad habit of leaning on Egypt. Back in Jeremiah's day they trusted Egypt to get away from Babylon's power only to have Egypt break in the face of superior Babylonian strength. Patterns in the Bible are also considered prophetic. The last half of Ezekiel 29 refers to this problem with Babylon and Egypt. Chapter 30 goes back to discussing the destruction and mentions the TOWER OF SYENE AGAIN.


I suggest that the Tower of Syene is important for 2 reasons. If the AC wanted to devastate Egypt, blow up the dam. The resulting flood and drought would destroy Egypt's strength and the refugees would flee. Doesn't even have to be nuclear weapons but the way the dam is constructed, it would take an awful lot of energy to blow it up so nukes might be a possibility. Second reason this tower is important is that it ties both Chap 29 and 30 together as the same event.

Go to Ezek 30:1-8

30 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “Son of man, prophesy and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Wail, ‘Woe to the day!’
3 For the day is near,
Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.
4 The sword shall come upon Egypt,

And great anguish shall be in Ethiopia,
When the slain fall in Egypt,
And they take away her wealth,
And her foundations are broken down.

5 “Ethiopia, Libya, Lydia, all the mingled people, Chub, and the men of the lands who are allied, shall fall with them by the sword.”

6 ‘Thus says the Lord:

“Those who uphold Egypt shall fall,
And the pride of her power shall come down.
From Migdol to Syene
Those within her shall fall by the sword,”
Says the Lord God.

7 “They shall be desolate in the midst of the desolate countries,
And her cities shall be in the midst of the cities that are laid waste.
8 Then they will know that I am the Lord,
When I have set a fire in Egypt
And all her helpers are destroyed


9 On that day messengers shall go forth from Me in ships
To make the careless Ethiopians afraid,
And great anguish shall come upon them,
As on the day of Egypt;
For indeed it is coming!”

This part is in the Tribulation because verse 3 talks about the DAY OF THE LORD which is a term for the time of Jacob's Trouble or the Tribulation period.

The scene shifts a bit after this passage, and goes back in time to Babylon and Nebuchadnezzer. But remember that they are also a type of the Antichrist and Babylon to come. And patterns in the past get repeated prophetically as they point to future events.

Again the tower of Syene is referenced. This tower was built -- the only tower of note in the area, AFTER the Aswan dam was built in 1970. If you look up the Hebrew version of the Ezek 29 and 30 the word TOWER is there. KJV says it tower, correctly while other versions will call it Syene or Aswan. But the Hebrew, it is the Tower of Syene.

Here is part of an article written by Gary Stearman some years ago
"From several sources, it is quite easy to confirm that the biblical Syene is really Aswan. One of these is the Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, first published in 1866. It affirms the connection, from the Greek Septuagint: “[Suhnh], Syene, in the inscriptions according to Brugsch [was] the most southerly border town of Egypt in the direction of Cush, i.e. Ethiopia, on the eastern bank of the Nile, some ruins of which are still to be seen in the modern Assuan (Aswan) …” (Vol. 9, Ezekiel 29-48, p. 8).

When Keil and Delitzsch wrote their commentary in 1866, there was not a trace of the prophesied tower at Aswan. And when Ezekiel wrote his prophecy around 570 B.C., there was no tower. In fact, until the huge hydroelectric project was completed there, by the Russians and Egyptians in 1970, there was no tower at Aswan. Today, this dam is the most imposing feature of the area.... "


So I suggest that sometime after Israel wakes up to the deadly purpose of the Antichrist-- halfway thru the Tribulation, she turns to Egypt for help and is betrayed. God in turn allows the AC to attack Egypt and devastate the land from the Aswan Dam north to the mouth of the Nile river in the Med. Egypt is devastated for 40 years. After that time her refugees make their way back.

In Chapter 30 God sends FIRE on Egypt. In Chapter 29 it is a sword. The idea that a dam this size needs a nuke to destroy it isn't out of the realm of possibility so what kind of fire God sends, we don't know but looking at 29 and 30 together, a nuclear attack looks probable at least if the Tribulation is on the near horizon.

Egypt is permanently weakened and never rises to power again.

Egypt Trusts in GOD from this time forward. The REAL God. Not Allah.

And Egypt remains a signpost to Israel thru the Millennium to remember how they trusted in Egypt and were let down every single time.

Love ya work !!!!!
 

sawas

Well-Known Member
Not necessarily and here is 1 reason why

Zech 14:17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.
Only commenting on the cited portion above...your post will (as usual) keep me busy for quite a while ;) and, yeah, that's a good thing. In fact, you might want to polish that "golden dustbin" trophy I gave you for just finding this reference for us all. For a bit more depth, Zech 12:16-19:

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

That pretty much solves the puzzle doesn't it? Nonetheless, I'll be eager to read the rest of your post. Thanks.
 

sawas

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As Tall Timbers mentions, there are definitely smoking ruins present during the entire Millennium. And there is the mention of the Tower of Syene. That is the ASWAN dam area.

That tower of Syene is VERY significant. It is mentioned twice. the NIV will call it ASWAN but the area is the Aswan dam and the TOWER of SYENE wasn't built till 1970. It is mentioned twice, in Ezek 29 and again in Ezek 30. Look in the KJV to see the tower of Syene. It is called the Lotus Tower and the 5 petals at the top are in honor of the 5 pillars of Islam. It stands as a testament to Egypt's gratefulness to Russia in the building of the Aswan dam.

I suggest a third possibility and that is that during the Tribulation period, the Antichrist comes against Egypt. The disaster happens-- the Nile is dried up as a result, and Egyptians are scattered around the globe as refugees for 40 years.

The wording of this passage and again in Ezek 30 are THE DAY OF THE LORD - Ezek 30 v 3 and in Chapter 29 here, we can see it is a time when Israel turned to Egypt and once again wasn't helped by Egypt. But it's just before Egypt knows GOD. Since Israel will only look to GOD for help from the moment they call to Jesus at the end of the Trib, this places these 2 passages right in the Tribulation period in the second half since that is the only time when Egypt could help Israel and doesn't and right after this desolation, Egypt is permanently knowing God and weakened forever as a sign to Israel of their past foolishness in trusting Egypt.

Why the second half, not the first? Because in the first half Israel has a covenant with the Antichrist. Israel doesn't need Egypt's help. But after the Abomination of Desolation, Israel will realize the DISASTER she has brought on herself by trusting the AC, and will look for help elsewhere. Egypt is her current friend and likely to remain so. But they fail Israel again-- according to Chapter 29 vs 6 and 7. It isn't till the END of the Tribulation that Israel turns to Jesus for help.
Taking little bites here as time allows. I recall you mentioning this (the Tower of Syene) in a prior thread, but it didn't quite sink in. So, it's been percolating since then, to mix my metaphors. Thanks for this insight, very helpful. The whole Egyptian prophesy has been a bit of a puzzle for me and I've only gotten into the first layer or so. I believe I'd looked at issues related to potential conflict surrounding the filling of the Sudanese reservoir above the Merowe Dam as a result of those prior posts? I'm going to have to get back on that too.

Regardless, it was a bit of a revelation for me (pun intended, LOL) that there would be longer-term repercussions - such as Egypt will experience - during the Millennium. On first blush, your speculation about it starting during the Tribulation seems plausible. More as I get time, but thanks for shining a light on this stuff.
 

athenasius

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Taking little bites here as time allows. I recall you mentioning this (the Tower of Syene) in a prior thread, but it didn't quite sink in. So, it's been percolating since then, to mix my metaphors. Thanks for this insight, very helpful. The whole Egyptian prophesy has been a bit of a puzzle for me and I've only gotten into the first layer or so. I believe I'd looked at issues related to potential conflict surrounding the filling of the Sudanese reservoir above the Merowe Dam as a result of those prior posts? I'm going to have to get back on that too.

Regardless, it was a bit of a revelation for me (pun intended, LOL) that there would be longer-term repercussions - such as Egypt will experience - during the Millennium. On first blush, your speculation about it starting during the Tribulation seems plausible. More as I get time, but thanks for shining a light on this stuff.
My views on this passage have expanded. When I first read about this tower of Syene, it was Gary Stearman's original article that I looked up. He had referred to it in some talk or other and felt that it might be something that could happen in the near future. I remember thinking of it when the current problems between Egypt and Ethiopia began and wondered.

Of course it might still all happen like that.

But when I looked at it in context with the time clues in that passage it began to take on a different look to my eyes.

And I'm always thinking about the series of passages that have to do with Elam, Isaiah 17, Amos and Jeremiah in which a number of nations, including Egypt are mentioned. I don't think they tie into a Psalm 83 scenario at all which is what Gary Stearman suggested in his article on the tower of Syene.

Lately I've been playing around with those like they are puzzle pieces and seeing if one or two fit into the Tribulation period better and this is one passage that does.

I still prefer to remain open to all possibilities but this is one that I'm leaning strongly towards putting into the mid to later Tribulation period for the reasons I gave above.
 

sawas

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My views on this passage have expanded. When I first read about this tower of Syene, it was Gary Stearman's original article that I looked up. He had referred to it in some talk or other and felt that it might be something that could happen in the near future. I remember thinking of it when the current problems between Egypt and Ethiopia began and wondered.

Of course it might still all happen like that.

But when I looked at it in context with the time clues in that passage it began to take on a different look to my eyes.

And I'm always thinking about the series of passages that have to do with Elam, Isaiah 17, Amos and Jeremiah in which a number of nations, including Egypt are mentioned. I don't think they tie into a Psalm 83 scenario at all which is what Gary Stearman suggested in his article on the tower of Syene.

Lately I've been playing around with those like they are puzzle pieces and seeing if one or two fit into the Tribulation period better and this is one passage that does.

I still prefer to remain open to all possibilities but this is one that I'm leaning strongly towards putting into the mid to later Tribulation period for the reasons I gave above.
All good comments and, ahh, what's the saying: "All roads lead to Damascus"? (Or is it Rome? I keep forgetting, but no matter.) Anyway, what I find most interesting about the Tower of Syrene is the the fact that it is a prophetic reference that did not physically exist at the time the prophesy was made. Also, it serves to highlight the clear latter-days context of Ezekiel 29.

So, I did just watch Stearman's video presentation on the subject (circa 2016) which would, presumably correlate to the comments you read. In the video, he didn't actually tie anything to Psalm 83, except (perhaps) tangentially, noting that Egypt wouldn't participate in the Ezekiel 38 war. So, yeah, either they are part of whatever would fulfill Psalm 83 or it's something else.....fulfillment of Ezekiel 29 seems plausible enough. Stearman speculates that something would trigger Israel to nuke the Aswan dam and this in turn would trigger the Ezekiel 38 war. Interesting conjecture. Accordingly, that would suggest that the Ezekiel29/30 prophesies about Egypt (including the 40 years desolation) would begin prior to the tribulation.

Like you, I also prefer remain open to various (plausible) interpretations of these events. As I've noted elsewhere, I remain so regarding Psalm 83, but do believe that something takes those nations off the board, so to speak. Likewise, I'm also inclined to imagine that Isaiah 17 is fulfilled prior to the tribulation. Appreciate your comments, as always.
 

Umbrella Girl

Now we see through a glass, darkly; (1 Cor 13:12)
Outside of the Middle East, what will exist of the rest of the world during the Millennial Kingdom?

Will the rest of the globe, such as North America, South America, Europe, etc, be completely obliterated and unrecognizable?
 

Wings Like Eagles

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Outside of the Middle East, what will exist of the rest of the world during the Millennial Kingdom?

Will the rest of the globe, such as North America, South America, Europe, etc, be completely obliterated and unrecognizable?
The Old Testament prophets tell us that the earth will be renewed along with Israel in the Millennial Kingdom. The prophets refer to it just as "the Kingdom" and link it to the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom. Jesus' disciples even ask Him about it after His Resurrection. (Acts 1:6) We are told that all the world will bring tribute to the earthly Jerusalem during the Kingdom Age. That tells us that there will be a thriving rest of the world in which to generate tribute. It is possible that, at the end of the Millennium, there will be resentment stirred up by the released Satan, over what will then be the centuries-old system of bringing tribute to Jerusalem. Mere speculation, of course, as to the cause of the final rebellion against God.

Ezekiel, in particular says that the Kingdom will last "forever" and I wondered about that to a Messianic rabbi, saying that Revelation tells us that it will only last 1,000 years. He said that "forever" in the Hebraic mind, doesn't really mean the same as "eternal" but rather, just a long period of time, which, of course, 1,000 years would be. He explained further, "It's like a child who says, 'Christmas is taking FOREVER to come'. The child knows that there is some finite period of time between the present and the future Christmas celebration, but that the interval will be long, within his/her framework."
 
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