Quantum Physics & The Bible

sawas

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I first encountered this subject, indirectly, via some presentations made by the likes of Dr. William Lane Craig and (Craig's hero) Dr. Alvin Plantinga. For his part, Craig is one whom I would credit for clearing up many apparent conundrums presented to bible-believing Christians. These often crop up in the (supposed) conflict between science and religion. Within religious circles, one of the biggest "philosophical" and/or "theological" paradoxes is the reconciliation of God's absolute sovereignty with human free will. For me, Craig's explanation of Molinism provides a logical and reasonable explanation that appears to bridge the gap between hard-core deterministic Calvinists and those who might go too far down the Arminian road into "Open Theism".

Saving that particular subject (Molinism) for another day, Craig's proposition would include that the apparent construction of the universe intrinsically allows for both the demonstration of God's deterministic sovereignty and the free-will behavior of individuals within it. In popular culture ideas about the so-called "multi-verse" seem to imagine an infinite array of parallel realities co-existing, more-or-less independently from one another. In Craig's view, only one reality is "actualized" (by God himself), but that reality intrinsically reflects the infinite possibilities available to such an "immaterial" Creator, who exists outside of the constraints of time and space. The "tool kit" available for this process appears to be effectively self-evident in the study of quantum physics.

I thought a recent article from another Christian scientist (not a "Christian Scientist", LOL), by the name of Dr. Doug Corrigan, helped to explain the, ahh, "mechanics" of this tool kit. Some selected excerpts from the article are provided below.

When we peel back the layers, we find something that goes against the grain of our observational experiences that have informed us that the world is material. In essence, the principles underlying quantum physics tell us that everything is made of information, and a set of rules governing that information. And these rules completely contradict the ordinary rules of reality that we are accustomed to.
To give some example, in the quantum world the following “impossibilities” are observed:
  • Objects can exist in two different locations simultaneously.
  • Objects can spin clockwise and counterclockwise simultaneously
  • Objects can exist in a state of all possible outcomes simultaneously, and then collapse into one defined state when observed.
  • Objects can tunnel through impossible barriers.
  • Objects can instantaneously talk to one another telepathically, faster than the speed of light, as if they were really one particle, even though they are separated from one another across the universe.
  • Objects can express both particle like and wave like characteristics.
  • Objects can reach back in time to the past to affect the outcome observed in the future.
  • Objects don’t obey the normal rules of cause and effect.
Every single thing we have learned about the quantum world flies in the face of what we know about reality. The quantum world seems to operate by rules that are being governed by another reality entirely. And this reality is invisible, non-tangible, and non-deterministic.
Quantum systems also include a level of “free will,” for lack of a better term. In other words, quantum systems are non-deterministic in nature. The normal rules of cause and effect are absent. For this reason, all of the math in the world cannot predict the future state of a quantum system with any accuracy. A quantum system exists in all possible states simultaneously (this is where the power behind a qubit is derived), and then one path is chosen when we measure the system (i.e., when we ask “what state are you in?”). But, given all of the information about the system’s past, we have no way of predicting which of the potential paths will be revealed to us. This is where the “free will” kicks in. The system chooses which state to manifest into, we don’t. And we cannot predict which state will manifest. At the current time, physicists don’t understand how systems “choose” which state to manifest into. No outside factor has been identified which causes this choice. There is no “cause” that precedes the observed “effect”. For all practical purposes, the quantum system possesses a degree of autonomy or “free will”.
But didn’t the bible tell us this is exactly what the universe is made of?
“In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” – John 1
Did you catch that? Word is derived from logos. Logos is the word “logic” is derived from. It carries the idea of information, communication, a virtual language construct with rules and grammar. The bible states that the universe is made on this base of the WORD. Genesis tells the same story. Everything God made was spoken into existence. I’ve listed more scriptures below that talk about this same idea of the visible (material/tangible) being made up of the invisible Word.
So, if this is true, what are the implications? When we study quantum physics, are we studying the language of God? Are we being given limited access to a layer of this “Word?” Is the veil that we can’t see behind God’s way of ensuring that He is the only One who knows all things? Is the non-determinism or “free will” of the quantum realm God’s way of ensuring that He controls all things? In short, is the quantum realm where God manifests His sovereignty, omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience?
I would add to the above train of thought that it would seem (logically) that the individual expression of human free will is easily, always, and everywhere, within God's sovereign control. Hebrews 6:3 - And this we will do, if God permits.
 
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Wings Like Eagles

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I first encountered this subject, indirectly, via some presentations made by the likes of Dr. William Lane Craig and (Craig's hero) Dr. Alvin Plantinga. For his part, Craig is one whom I would credit for clearing up many apparent conundrums presented to bible-believing Christians. These often crop up in the (supposed) conflict between science and religion. Within religious circles, one of the biggest "philosophical" and/or "theological" paradoxes is the reconciliation of God's absolute sovereignty with human free will. For me, Craig's explanation of Molinism provides a logical and reasonable explanation that appears to bridge the gap between hard-core deterministic Calvinists and those who might go too far down the Arminian road into "Open Theism".

Saving that particular subject (Molinism) for another day, Craig's proposition would include that the apparent construction of the universe intrinsically allows for both the demonstration of God's deterministic sovereignty and the free-will behavior of individuals within it. In popular culture ideas about the so-called "multi-verse" seem to imagine an infinite array of parallel realities co-existing, more-or-less independently from one another. In Craig's view, only one reality is "actualized" (by God himself), but that reality intrinsically reflects the infinite possibilities available to such an "immaterial" Creator, who exists outside of the constraints of time and space. The "tool kit" available for this process appears to be effectively self-evident in the study of quantum physics.

I thought a recent article from another Christian scientist (not a "Christian Scientist", LOL), by the name of Dr. Doug Corrigan, helped to explain the, ahh, "mechanics" of this tool kit. Some selected excerpts from the article are provided below.

When we peel back the layers, we find something that goes against the grain of our observational experiences that have informed us that the world is material. In essence, the principles underlying quantum physics tell us that everything is made of information, and a set of rules governing that information. And these rules completely contradict the ordinary rules of reality that we are accustomed to.
To give some example, in the quantum world the following “impossibilities” are observed:
  • Objects can exist in two different locations simultaneously.
  • Objects can spin clockwise and counterclockwise simultaneously
  • Objects can exist in a state of all possible outcomes simultaneously, and then collapse into one defined state when observed.
  • Objects can tunnel through impossible barriers.
  • Objects can instantaneously talk to one another telepathically, faster than the speed of light, as if they were really one particle, even though they are separated from one another across the universe.
  • Objects can express both particle like and wave like characteristics.
  • Objects can reach back in time to the past to affect the outcome observed in the future.
  • Objects don’t obey the normal rules of cause and effect.
Every single thing we have learned about the quantum world flies in the face of what we know about reality. The quantum world seems to operate by rules that are being governed by another reality entirely. And this reality is invisible, non-tangible, and non-deterministic.
Quantum systems also include a level of “free will,” for lack of a better term. In other words, quantum systems are non-deterministic in nature. The normal rules of cause and effect are absent. For this reason, all of the math in the world cannot predict the future state of a quantum system with any accuracy. A quantum system exists in all possible states simultaneously (this is where the power behind a qubit is derived), and then one path is chosen when we measure the system (i.e., when we ask “what state are you in?”). But, given all of the information about the system’s past, we have no way of predicting which of the potential paths will be revealed to us. This is where the “free will” kicks in. The system chooses which state to manifest into, we don’t. And we cannot predict which state will manifest. At the current time, physicists don’t understand how systems “choose” which state to manifest into. No outside factor has been identified which causes this choice. There is no “cause” that precedes the observed “effect”. For all practical purposes, the quantum system possesses a degree of autonomy or “free will”.
But didn’t the bible tell us this is exactly what the universe is made of?
“In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD WAS GOD. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” – John 1
Did you catch that? Word is derived from logos. Logos is the word “logic” is derived from. It carries the idea of information, communication, a virtual language construct with rules and grammar. The bible states that the universe is made on this base of the WORD. Genesis tells the same story. Everything God made was spoken into existence. I’ve listed more scriptures below that talk about this same idea of the visible (material/tangible) being made up of the invisible Word.
So, if this is true, what are the implications? When we study quantum physics, are we studying the language of God? Are we being given limited access to a layer of this “Word?” Is the veil that we can’t see behind God’s way of ensuring that He is the only One who knows all things? Is the non-determinism or “free will” of the quantum realm God’s way of ensuring that He controls all things? In short, is the quantum realm where God manifests His sovereignty, omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience?
Logos is thought by some to be the organizing words of the universe. All animals (mammals) use reasoning to some degree, but only humans use words to do so. In experiments with apes, scientists were able to teach them to use a few words, through the use of a computer program. But abstract thought seemed a "bridge too far". The apes appeared to be limited to very concrete words and reasonings.

ETA: It would seem that, when God confused the language of the wicked people of Babylon at the Tower of Babel incident (who were seeking to make themselves gods) that He was doing more than just confusing their languages. By logical extension, He was confusing their thinking as well. Very interesting that there seemed to be a reversal of the Tower of Babel at Pentecost--for the Church. That would check with my own personal observations. The most intelligent people I ever knew are/were Christians--including a number of scientists. Even though the heathen try to present themselves as the "smartest ones in the room" they are almost always the least intelligent in any group. They can, at times, be criminal and gain the advantage temporarily, and are even diabolically clever at times, but ultimately, they are fools.
 
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Footsteps

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There are examples of quantum physics clearly visible to anyone of ordinary intelligence on a daily basis:

Bilocation - It is obvious that the Vice President must be actively grappling with the chaos on our southern border, having been assigned this task by the President. In order to get at the truth, Kamala Harris has oscillated the atoms in her body in order to be invisible at the border, while spatially redirecting the same atoms to cities in the northern United States in order to appear to be engaged in infantile activities such as being presented a cake on a public sidewalk. This "smoke and mirrors" tactic serves to further distract those who would point out to Kamala in Texas that there were no problems until she was made President-in-Waiting, while simultaneously assuring the public that she is fully engaged in eating cake rather than giving the concerning appearance of being sucked into a wormhole, or falling down a manhole.

Time travel - The President is hidden behind a fake wall in his Delaware basement, while the White House is being occupied by Jaques Borland, a seventeenth century French mime who traveled with a carnival that included jugglers, acrobats, and clowns. He has now traveled through time but secretly longs for the days in which he made an honest living.

Moving in opposing directions - Congressmen are able to speak out of both sides of their mouths at the same time, and different media outlets are able to hear an infinite number of contradicting messages. These messages are presented to the public in variously interpreted ways, allowing each listener to proclaim "I hear, therefore I alone know the truth." This is a key component of the Unified Field Theory. This theory is further understood differently:
Democrats: We will all live in Unified harmony.
Republicans: We are all in the same Field, in which we have sunk to our eyebrows in cow dung.
 
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