Putin and Pence cancelled engagements. Interesting?

[Jonathan]

I think you are right. George was talking about it, he'd heard about it too.

Here is a news article by Business Insider that might help: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-submarine-losharik-undersea-cables-media-speculation-2019-7

"The Russian navy submarine that Russian media outlets have identified as the one that caught fire during a mission on Monday, killing 14 sailors on board, may have been designed to cut undersea internet cables.

The vessel caught fire near the naval base of Severomorsk on Monday, and the sailors died of smoke inhalation, Russia's defense ministry said in a statement.

On Tuesday, Russian Vladimir Putin called the incident a "great loss," canceled a scheduled event, and called an urgent meeting with his defense minister, Sergei Shoigu. Putin also ordered an inquiry into the accident and asked Shoigu to "personally receive reports" on it, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reported."

it goes on to say:
"BBC Monitoring described US officials as saying the AS-12 is designed to cut undersea cables that keep the world's internet running.

US and other Western officials have long warned that Russian ships have been active near major undersea fiber-optic cables that carry calls, emails, texts, and trillions of dollars' worth of daily financial transactions."


So now we can presume that Putin was perhaps working on charming the G20 in the time leading up to this disaster as his navy was busy busy busy trying to destabilize the world's information and banking and so forth.

And this would be why everyone was recalled to Washington and Moscow after things went sideways for Russia.

And it sounds like whatever Putin was up to, God stopped him.

Fascinating article, Athenasius.

I'm no military expert, but I imagine it wouldn't be too much harder to place a device that taps, but then can also sever, an undersea cable. Of course, you would have to have a way of retrieving the information, since radio waves don't do to well through water. And also, if they wanted to tap it, they could presumably do it when it reaches on or near land, assuming it reached land in their territory.

Either way, and I am being HIGHLY speculative here; there could have been a submarine engagement of some sort between two forces. Or even a mine placed previously to protect the cable. Or, it really simply could be that a bad accident happened on the Russian sub and that is all there is to it.

I can't wait to get to Heaven because I am hoping God will give me an open window to all the questions I've wondered about in terms of world affairs. I hope he shows me everything I wanted to know in this world but was not privy to.

Of course, I'll probably be too busy enjoying Heaven Itself to care anymore, but I still would like to know these things. I am pretty sure that in Heaven, you can have your cake and eat it too.

God Bless,
Jonathan

 

[GotGrace]

I think you are right. George was talking about it, he'd heard about it too.

Here is a news article by Business Insider that might help: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-submarine-losharik-undersea-cables-media-speculation-2019-7

"The Russian navy submarine that Russian media outlets have identified as the one that caught fire during a mission on Monday, killing 14 sailors on board, may have been designed to cut undersea internet cables.

The vessel caught fire near the naval base of Severomorsk on Monday, and the sailors died of smoke inhalation, Russia's defense ministry said in a statement.

On Tuesday, Russian Vladimir Putin called the incident a "great loss," canceled a scheduled event, and called an urgent meeting with his defense minister, Sergei Shoigu. Putin also ordered an inquiry into the accident and asked Shoigu to "personally receive reports" on it, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reported."

it goes on to say:
"BBC Monitoring described US officials as saying the AS-12 is designed to cut undersea cables that keep the world's internet running.

US and other Western officials have long warned that Russian ships have been active near major undersea fiber-optic cables that carry calls, emails, texts, and trillions of dollars' worth of daily financial transactions."


So now we can presume that Putin was perhaps working on charming the G20 in the time leading up to this disaster as his navy was busy busy busy trying to destabilize the world's information and banking and so forth.

And this would be why everyone was recalled to Washington and Moscow after things went sideways for Russia.

And it sounds like whatever Putin was up to, God stopped him.

Wow thank you very much for this update.

 

[Kem]

Here is a news article by Business Insider that might help: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-submarine-losharik-undersea-cables-media-speculation-2019-7

Thanks Margery, now it leaves one wondering if an American sub was actually involved at all. Not a peep about that anymore.

 

[kathymendel]

Yes, this thread got a little bit confusing from the gitgo. It went from a Russian/American showdown to what looks like an accident taking place.
Very interesting that the sub was where it was, evidently doing what it was. Putin certainly has his hands all over the place around the world, doesn't he? More so than I can ever remember in the past. Sounds like we may really be getting close to show time.

 

[DanLMP]

Some submarine information from an ex sub sailor:

The article mentioned concern about radiation leakage. Most fires aboard a nuke boat do not involve the reactor at all. From my experience and recall most fires are either electrical or occur in the laundry room (clean out that lint screen). The article does not mention the cause of the fire.

In the US Navy reactors are built with safety features that automatically shut them down. The Reactor Controls Operator can also shut down the reactor manually. This is called a reactor scram. This feature puts the reactor in a safe condition. It prevents the reactor from achieving criticality and potentially overheating. I do not know if the Russians have similar features but common sense says they must have a way of shutting down the reactor.

With the reactor in a safe condition the only other way to breach the reactor core is externally, either by physical damage, loss of cooling or even a fire, although in the enclosed atmosphere of a submarine the fire would auto extinguish due to lack of oxygen before a fire could do much damage.

In a submarine fire the biggest danger is the loss of breathable air. Most submarines in case of fire surface or come to snorkel depth and immediately ventilate. In the mean time all hands on board have already donned OBA's (oxygen breathing apparatus) to breath from onboard bottled air. On a deep dive sub, it takes a lot more time to surface to a point where the boat can ventilate. This is not to say that this is what happened to the Russian boat but it is on the list of possibilities.

The US Navy has in times past used specially equipped submarines to place recording equipment on undersea cables. This information is already in the public domain. The submarine at a later date needs to retrieve the recording device so that the information can be gathered. My understanding is that these US subs can dive no deeper than a standard sub.

I can understand the need for Putin to run back home for a disaster of this type. I'm not sure why Pence needed to run home for the same disaster. I don't know, when the Russians had previous submarine problems, whether Presidents and Vice Presidents had to scramble home. This might be a normal reaction by the US, with a possibility of the Russians thinking the US was involved in the accident, but it's a big question in my mind.

Now I wonder if anyone will bother to tell us what this was all about. When a Russian boat is discovered to potentially have the ability to cut undersea cables, why is this not blasting all over the MSM?

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Whatever the case my friends, the prophetic clock is moving quite fast.
Once again I repeat , the sense of great urgency to carry out The Great Commission is at an all time high.
It was from the beginning, but even more so now.
Satan knows his time is short thus so does Iran.
I believe something big is getting ready to happen.

 

[ByGod'sGrace]

Hmm, well, I'm ready to go. If God still wants us here, just keep loving people and being a light!

 

[pixelpusher]

If the Ruskies cut off my internet so I can’t work, I’m gonna be

 

[athenasius]

According to Euronews it originated in the batteries. https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/04/russia-submarine-fire-blaze-on-defence-ministry-vessel-kills-14

Thoughts on that DanLMP?

And the Guardian says this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ire-hit-russian-submarine-was-nuclear-powered

Vladimir Putin has confirmed for the first time that the top-secret submersible that suffered a deadly fire this week was nuclear-powered, but Russia’s defence minister said the nuclear unit had been sealed off and was in “working order”.
The disclosure came during a meeting between the Russian president and defence minister Sergei Shoigu about the incident, which left 14 Russian sailors dead, including seven high-ranking officers and two bearing the title Hero of Russia.

The Russian government has been slow to reveal information about the incident because the submersible, thought to be a deep-diving vessel used for research and reconnaissance, is among Russia’s most secret military projects.

The fire aboard the “Losharik” AS-31 submersible began in the battery compartment and spread through the vessel, Shoigu told Putin during a meeting in the Kremlin, which was later broadcast on Russian television. The vessel is thought to be made of a series of orb-like compartments, which increase the submersible’s resilience and allow it to dive to the ocean floor. Once there, it can perform topographical research and participate in rescue missions. It may even be able to tap and sever communications cables on the seabed.

Officials claim the submariners sealed themselves in one of the compartments to battle the blaze and toxic fumes, sacrificing themselves in order to save other crew members. Survivors of the blaze have not spoken publicly.

“What about the nuclear-power unit?” Putin asked Shoigu during the conversation, the first time any official has confirmed the vessel is nuclear-powered.

“The nuclear-power unit has been sealed off and all personnel have been removed,” Shoigu told Putin. “Plus, the crew has taken the necessary measures to save the unit, which is in working order.”

A Norwegian official told Reuters there had been no “formal communication” from Russia about an incident aboard a nuclear-powered vessel, but “we would have been happy to have been informed of such incidents”.

While the Russian government controls media coverage of the incident and it seems unlikely to provoke popular anger at the Kremlin, accidents aboard submarines invariably evoke comparisons to Putin’s clumsy handling of the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine in 2000, which left 118 dead and families desperate for information about their loved ones.

The Russian government has pledged to give state awards and provide salaries to the sailors until their children come of age. Russian servicemen attended a memorial service on Thursday in the port city of Kronstadt, near St Petersburg, in honour of the 14 dead submariners."

Margery here, I bolded parts of the text that might be of particular interest.
-Putin is allowing it to be known it was a NUCLEAR sub, probably to stop the speculations, but it may also mean a message to the whole of the Arctic Circle nations, plus all of Scandinavia and the Baltics in particular, that Russian subs are on the loose in the nearby neighborhood.
-Norway is irritated by the Russians invasion of their waters and lack of communication.
-Putin might end up having some uncomfortable publicity at home and abroad.

And then the BBC takes Russia's word for it, that it all happened in RUSSIAN waters in the Barents Sea which is bordered by Norway on it's Arctic Circle coastline just above Finland, with Russia right beside, so very convenient for Russia to say they were operating on THEIR side of the underwater boundary. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48865332

How very convenient. I can see why Norway is annoyed.

Canada and America should be too. Russia is running amok in the Arctic, and the Arctic Circle nations should be concerned. This is supposedly oil and gas explorations, but the fact is, there's a lot more as well that the Russians might be up to.

And for that gas and oil excuse, we are taking Russia's word for it in the BBC article. The MSM news outlets should be ashamed of themselves for not even looking at other possibilities.

 

[Joseph The Carpenter]

This may be way out there but a Russian sub sank. Reportedly on a mission to cut internet cables. Did we sink it?

 

[athenasius]

This may be way out there but a Russian sub sank. Reportedly on a mission to cut internet cables. Did we sink it?

The sub didn't sink, it was a submersible unit, designed to be towed into position by other nuclear subs or possibly it's own power, to work at great depths. It somehow got back to port in Severomorsk to a special dock area where apparently even normal military isn't allowed near.

Business Insider and some others I saw were speculating that the mission had to do with cutting internet cables. But here is another opinion that involves underwater drones, and that might also back up the cutting or tapping into underwater cables.

here is what the Free Beacon reported: https://freebeacon.com/national-security/damaged-russian-sub-linked-to-underwater-drone-program/
"The location of the accident was not specified other than Russian territorial waters with reports from Russia saying the incident occurred in the Barents Sea, and the submarine described as the AS-12, nicknamed "Losharik," was towed to the Northern Fleet headquarters at Severomorsk.

According to state-run Russian news reports, the Losharik is designed for deep sea military missions, such as tapping into undersea communications cables.

The submarine reportedly is capable of diving to nearly 20,000 feet—deeper than other submarines can go because of the great pressures. It is powered by a single nuclear reactor and can travel up to 30 knots underwater."

and

"A report in the state-run Izvestya in April 2017 said the Belogorod would also carry Losharik submersibles with a different designation than the AS-12. The report quoted Vadim Kozyulin, with the Academy of Military Sciences, as saying the Belogorod beginning in 2018 will carry "the AS-31 Losharik autonomous deep-sea station."


"It will transport and install on the seabed autonomous underwater nuclear modules for charging unmanned underwater vehicles," Kozyulin said. "The submarine will support the deployment of a global underwater environment monitoring system which the military is building at the bottom of the Arctic seas.""

Margery here: those quotes were from Russian sources before this incident. Pay VERY close attention to the stuff I bolded, because that may mean this was an underwater base of operations that would eventually control the Arctic Circle including the Oil rich north coast of Alaska or Norway or Canada as well as any shipping or military transport thru the Northwest Passage above Canada on our northern coastline!

Remember that American Submarines as well as jets, and ships pass thru Canadian Territorial Waters safely from both directions. Yes the shipping is only in summer and only under certain conditions, but submarine traffic and jets are routine. ANY installation of a Russian military nature could jeopardize a LOT more than just the internet. Russia is free to do things on their side of the Arctic Circle, but Canada has been having increasing problems keeping them out of our space. You don't hear much because Trudeau doesn't see it as a problem like Stephen Harper used to.

Oh and The Washinton Times is also reporting it's a mission to cut internet cables. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/4/russian-seamen-mourn-submersible-deaths/

"Media reports speculated that it has claws, manipulators and bottom wheels for rolling on the seabed similar to the U.S. deep submergence vessel, the NR-1, which was mothballed in 2008 after nearly 40 years of service.

But unlike the NR-1 that was designed to dive to 910 meters (3,000 feet), the Losharik was built to go far deeper.

Some observers speculated the Losharik was even capable of going as deep as 6,000 meters (19,685 feet), but the claims couldn’t be independently confirmed. Analysts suggested that one of its possible missions could be disrupting communication cables on the seabed.

Such sensitive missions required an elite crew made entirely of officers, most of them senior."

AND THAT would line up with the fact that the people who died, were pretty well decorated, senior people.

 

[athenasius]

Oh and I meant to say, if American submariners WERE the reason Russia had an embarrassing incident off Norways Arctic Coastline, then Russia would have ALL THE MORE REASON to want to deny that America did anything to them, because then that would cause MORE information to leak out, about WHERE exactly it happened and WHAT exactly they were caught doing.

Russia has a lot of reasons to want this to blow over without too much publicity.

And I do recall some early reports saying the Americans were 100 miles? or Kilometres away at the time (the reports made it sound like the distance was why they weren't involved.)

That immediately makes me question just how close the Russian subs were to the AMERICAN position off Norway!!!!!!! (since I always take Russian official pronouncements with a large grain of salt and often think of the exact opposite of what they just said)

BUT this might be exactly why everybody including PENCE got recalled to Washington and Moscow.

The Russian attitude being: QUICK paper it over, take our knocks in private, just for goodness sake don't let anyone except the highest authorities realize what just happened, and how close it could have been to a war.

This way they can lick their wounds in relative privacy, but still make a few points to the Baltic and Scandinavian countries (and the Arctic Circle countries as well) and live to fight another day.

 

[Everlasting Life]

Very interesting........

 

[DanLMP]

Fire in the battery compartment. Very bad. Fire and battery acid don't mix. Toxic fumes.

Sealing off compartments during an emergency, including fires, is SOP. Better to contain the problem to a single compartment rather than affect the whole boat.

So it sounds like the remaining crew were able to surface and get towed back to base. I suspect the fire knocked out propulsion in some way.

On a normal US boat the battery is essentially used as a power backup. Normal electric loads at sea are provided by a steam generator. In port electricity is provided by a shore cable.

This is a special deep dive sub though and the propulsion and electrical setup could be completely different.

As to where the accident occured and concerns about where Russian boats go...because subs are essentially invisible, the countries that have them don't advertise where they send them.

I have seen Russian submariners smoking cigarettes while their boat was surfaced.

 

[TeeTee]

Ruskies- always having some type of ship/sub problems. I bet it was some top level spy or sabotage with underwater cables. I do not think they gave up spying on any country. Old KGB-sacrifice fellow russians for USSR.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Yeah, I'd imagine the market for the S-300 is tanking a bit right now, if the Israeli's can prance in and out of Iran's airspace without so much as a peep out of all that nice fancy new Russian equipment.

That will tick Russia off, but probably also send them back to the drawing board.

The S300 is yesterday's technology. Good, but not goot enough...

 

[ByFaithIFly]

PUTIN CANCELS PLANNED EVENT, WILL MEET WITH DEFENSE MINISTER
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF

Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled his participation in a planned event and will soon meet with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, according to the TASSnews agency.

"Vladimir Putin canceled his participation in the Rivers of Russia forum," said the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov to TASS. "In the near future, the president is scheduled to meet with Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu."

https://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Putin-cancels-planned-event-will-meet-with-defense-minister-594399

PENCE CANCELS PLANNED NEW HAMPSHIRE VISIT, CALLED BACK TO WHITE HOUSE
By REUTERS

US Vice President Mike Pence abruptly canceled a planned trip to New Hampshire on Tuesday after being called back to the White House for an unspecified reason, White House officials said.

Pence's chief of staff, Marc Short, told Reuters there was no emergency after news reports that the vice president's plane was called back for an "emergency."

"The vice president was called back to the White House but there's no cause for alarm and we’ll reschedule the trip soon," Short said. He said Pence's plane had never actually left Washington.

The White House would not say what issue arose to keep Pence in place.

"Something came up that required the vice president to remain in DC There is no cause for concern. Everybody's fine," White House spokesman Hogan Gidley told reporters.

https://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/P...shire-visit-due-to-emergency-situation-594397

Here's another reason why VP Pence was recalled. On July 1,Russian media announced that 14 seamen died in a fire on it's most secret submarine. On July 2,Trump,Pence and Putin all had emergency meetings. This has not happened since Trump became POTUS...Hmmm
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/sailors-killed-in-russia-submersible-fire-ministry.html

 

[TeeTee]

More and more suspense. Today President Trump said that Pence was called back and we would find out soon (when questioned by reporters). He said in a week or two.

 

[Cindy S.]

I also read that (regarding VP Pence) that "reporters would find out in a few weeks what the delay was about"

When we see the smoke?

 

[Cindy S.]

If the Ruskies cut off my internet so I can’t work, I’m gonna be

The antichrist would have a hard time tracking people without it.