Psalms 83 is the Key to the burning of Gogs weapons

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I would like to point out evidence ,that Psalms 83 is a likely near event.
First of all ,I believe that when God states in Ezekiel 39, that Gog will die on the mountains of Israel ,that He was not referring to the present day land mass of Israel today.
Please take note that a part of Jordan was a part of Israel in Ezekiel's day.
I recently discovered that Turkey is currently ( update: was completed awhile back) building a concrete wall all across its southern border next to Syria.
This wall has been completed
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/
If Russia, Turkey were to destroy the wall ,for a purpose of attacking an unsuspecting people (Israel)
I would believe the attack would give Israel ample notice ,...in other words ,that not much of a sneak attack in my opinion.
But when I looked on a map,...(because of the wall) I realized, that Russia , Turkey, and Iran would have to enter through Iraq ,and Jordan in order to reach Israel.
So it is ,I believe ,that Gog will actually die in the mountainous regions of Bozrah, where the valley of Hamon-Gog is located east of the Dead Sea.
If I understand correctly , Ezekiel reveals that it would be the power from the utter most north that would attack Israel ,..it is not saying that this power would travel downward from North to South going through the Golan Heights.
If I am correct here ,...then it explains how it is possible for Israel to burn Gog's weapons for 7 nonstop Hebrew years, if Israel was already in possession of Jordan prior to Ezekiel 38.
I believe the burning of these weapons will begin the very day of Daniel 9;27.
And the weapons burning completed at the end of Daniels 70th week.
Logically ,when the Abomination of Desolation comes to pass ,...I'm thinking Israel would not flee to the mountainous regions of Bozrah if it did not already belong to Israel .
With that said ,I next looked at a map of current day Jordan ,and saw a population of millions near the dead Sea.
Which would suggest that something must have changed the current status quo.
https://www.jordantimes.com/sites/d...ws_inner/public/Infographic.jpg?itok=8usImsl9
Psalms 83 fulfills the required prerequisites of Ezekiel 38;11-15
 
I have always believed that Psalm 83 comes before Ezekiel 38/39. I also believe Ezekiel 35 happens before Ezekiel 38/39; maybe even before Psalm 83; if Ezekiel 35 merges into Psalm 83, I wouldn't argue the fact that Ezekiel 35 is happening right before our eyes, but that would have to be said by someone more versed in eschatology than I am.
 
My opinion only we're seeing Psalm 83 now with gaza, Lebanon etc, with maybe the start of ezekiel war and Isaiah 17 being prepared maybe even jeramiah 49 in the not too distant future, wondering if Israel will attack Iranian nuclear facilities or even a massive earthquake in South West Iran, there was only recently a 5.2 earthquake there only recently.
 
In my opinion, the way I reconciled the seven-year burning of the weapons with the seven-year tribulation and the eventual abomination of desolation is that there is a pause in the burning at the 3.5 year mark of Jacob's Trouble. The burning takes seven long years, but there is a pause to it, which would continue well into the Millennium. But when you take into account the total amount of time for the work it takes to totally incinerate these weapons, it would be seven years' time. Another thought I entertained would be that the burning wouldn't actually begin until the Millennium has started. Why? When Jesus returns, I suspected He will reformat this planet to "Garden of Eden" conditions. The Israelis and foreigners living in the Holy Land will see all the beauty that God will materialize and would probably not want to sully it by chopping down trees, etc but will instead turn to the billions of dollars of weapons, vehicles, and ammo left behind by their enemies. When Jesus is physically reigning from Jerusalem, I believe He will put a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of weapons anyway and guarantee our safety 24/7. That's a weapon ban I will actually respect and obey. So what to do with all the leftover weaponry from the old world? Burn it all down.
 
iwouldbewithyouificould said:
In my opinion, the way I reconciled the seven-year burning of the weapons with the seven-year tribulation and the eventual abomination of desolation is that there is a pause in the burning at the 3.5 year mark of Jacob's Trouble. The burning takes seven long years, but there is a pause to it, which would continue well into the Millennium. But when you take into account the total amount of time for the work it takes to totally incinerate these weapons, it would be seven years' time. Another thought I entertained would be that the burning wouldn't actually begin until the Millennium has started. Why? When Jesus returns, I suspected He will reformat this planet to "Garden of Eden" conditions. The Israelis and foreigners living in the Holy Land will see all the beauty that God will materialize and would probably not want to sully it by chopping down trees, etc but will instead turn to the billions of dollars of weapons, vehicles, and ammo left behind by their enemies. When Jesus is physically reigning from Jerusalem, I believe He will put a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of weapons anyway and guarantee our safety 24/7. That's a weapon ban I will actually respect and obey. So what to do with all the leftover weaponry from the old world? Burn it all down.
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I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment about burning the weapons of Gog into the millennium, and also a pause in burning the weapons.

All weapons are turned into plowshares" in the millennium, and are not burned,..
where, at the start of a new millennium, all instruments of war are transformed into tools for peaceful farming, signifying a complete end to conflict and the establishment of global peace, drawing directly from the biblical passage in Isaiah 2:4 which says, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.".
 
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rapture man said:
I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment about burning the weapons of Gog into the millennium, and also a pause in burning the weapons.

All weapons are turned into plowshares" in the millennium, and are not burned,..
where, at the start of a new millennium, all instruments of war are transformed into tools for peaceful farming, signifying a complete end to conflict and the establishment of global peace, drawing directly from the biblical passage in Isaiah 2:4 which says, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.".
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How do you turn metallic weaponry into plowshares? First you melt them, then pour the liquid metal into a mold. Even at the blacksmith level, they have to first soften the metal with intense heat before beating them with a hammer. Therefore, they are burning them.
 
No matter how one looks at, Israel gets their seven years. I don't believe those years will be split. It says the weapons will be burned for energy, when Jesus comes everything on earth will be perfect, he will provide a way to produce energy that will have nothing to do with manmade skills
 
katt said:
No matter how one looks at, Israel gets their seven years. I don't believe those years will be split. It says the weapons will be burned for energy, when Jesus comes everything on earth will be perfect, he will provide a way to produce energy that will have nothing to do with manmade skills
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God supplies us with sunlight, petroleum, and electricity. We will still need wisdom, skill, and work in order to harness them. I'd like to ask Him how to do nuclear cold fusion, which is nuclear fusion at room temperatures. That would be the "holy grail" of energy generation.
 
not sure here but ..... if these weapons come from the Ezekiel war and they start burning them soon after that war, and eventually after that war the antichrist makes a pact with Israel for 7 years I dont see a problem with them burning those weapons for 7 years until the end of the trib .... I cant see a pause happening nor needed as not all the jews will leave Israel during the tribulation to flee the antichrist as there will be more who laud him than those who seek their true messiah Jesus.....
 
iwouldbewithyouificould said:
In my opinion, the way I reconciled the seven-year burning of the weapons with the seven-year tribulation and the eventual abomination of desolation is that there is a pause in the burning at the 3.5 year mark of Jacob's Trouble. The burning takes seven long years, but there is a pause to it, which would continue well into the Millennium. But when you take into account the total amount of time for the work it takes to totally incinerate these weapons, it would be seven years' time. Another thought I entertained would be that the burning wouldn't actually begin until the Millennium has started. Why? When Jesus returns, I suspected He will reformat this planet to "Garden of Eden" conditions. The Israelis and foreigners living in the Holy Land will see all the beauty that God will materialize and would probably not want to sully it by chopping down trees, etc but will instead turn to the billions of dollars of weapons, vehicles, and ammo left behind by their enemies. When Jesus is physically reigning from Jerusalem, I believe He will put a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of weapons anyway and guarantee our safety 24/7. That's a weapon ban I will actually respect and obey. So what to do with all the leftover weaponry from the old world? Burn it all down?
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Your comment, indicates that you agree that the burning of weapons begin with Daniel 9;27, but there is a pause when the AOD comes to pass.
Is that correct?
 
rapture man said:
Your comment, indicates that you agree that the burning of weapons begin with Daniel 9;27, but there is a pause when the AOD comes to pass.
Is that correct?
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My opinion is that it begins shortly after the Gog-Magog War, pauses at some time during the middle of the Tribulation -- yes, perhaps when Antichrist commits the abomination -- and resumes shortly after Jesus returns. When we return with Jesus, I just might help myself to a couple military vehicles and turn them into RV's so my family and I can tour the Millennial Kingdom earth in style.
 
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not sure here but ..... if these weapons come from the Ezekiel war and they start burning them soon after that war, and eventually after that war the antichrist makes a pact with Israel for 7 years I dont see a problem with them burning those weapons for 7 years until the end of the trib .... I cant see a pause happening nor needed as not all the jews will leave Israel during the tribulation to flee the antichrist as there will be more who laud him than those who seek their true messiah Jesus.....
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Another thing I just thought of -- the recent Afghanistan debacle which left billions of dollars of American arms, ammunition, and vehicles to be "inherited" by the Taliban just might be used to contribute to the Ezekiel 38 war.
 
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Oh yeah, they could be, but if so, Gog would have to happen soon, if not, even those weapons can grow old, outdated, rusty and useless.
 
rapture man said:
I would like to point out evidence ,that Psalms 83 is a likely near event.
First of all ,I believe that when God states in Ezekiel 39, that Gog will die on the mountains of Israel ,that He was not referring to the present day land mass of Israel today.
Please take note that a part of Jordan was a part of Israel in Ezekiel's day.
I recently discovered that Turkey is currently ( update: was completed awhile back) building a concrete wall all across its southern border next to Syria.
This wall has been completed
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/
If Russia, Turkey were to destroy the wall ,for a purpose of attacking an unsuspecting people (Israel)
I would believe the attack would give Israel ample notice ,...in other words ,that not much of a sneak attack in my opinion.
But when I looked on a map,...(because of the wall) I realized, that Russia , Turkey, and Iran would have to enter through Iraq ,and Jordan in order to reach Israel.
So it is ,I believe ,that Gog will actually die in the mountainous regions of Bozrah, where the valley of Hamon-Gog is located east of the Dead Sea.
If I understand correctly , Ezekiel reveals that it would be the power from the utter most north that would attack Israel ,..it is not saying that this power would travel downward from North to South going through the Golan Heights.
If I am correct here ,...then it explains how it is possible for Israel to burn Gog's weapons for 7 nonstop Hebrew years, if Israel was already in possession of Jordan prior to Ezekiel 38.
I believe the burning of these weapons will begin the very day of Daniel 9;27.
And the weapons burning completed at the end of Daniels 70th week.
Logically ,when the Abomination of Desolation comes to pass ,...I'm thinking Israel would not flee to the mountainous regions of Bozrah if it did not already belong to Israel .
With that said ,I next looked at a map of current day Jordan ,and saw a population of millions near the dead Sea.
Which would suggest that something must have changed the current status quo.
https://www.jordantimes.com/sites/d...ws_inner/public/Infographic.jpg?itok=8usImsl9
Psalms 83 fulfills the required prerequisites of Ezekiel 38;11-15
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Something to consider. White people are called Caucasian. They come from the caucus mountains in Russia. Don't get me wrong. I am white Irish. Not too proud of it. The first horse in Revelation is the white horse. then the red horse. Red China. I am suspicious. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
iwouldbewithyouificould said:
My opinion is that it begins shortly after the Gog-Magog War, pauses at some time during the middle of the Tribulation -- yes, perhaps when Antichrist commits the abomination -- and resumes shortly after Jesus returns. When we return with Jesus, I just might help myself to a couple military vehicles and turn them into RV's so my family and I can tour the Millennial Kingdom earth in style.
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Yes ,I believe that the Gog-Magog war occurs slightly prior to Daniel 9;27, and the burning of the weapons begin on day 1, of Daniel 9;27.
When the AOD begins, 1/3 of the Jewish remnant escape to the Mountainous regions of Bozrah, which is east of the Dead Sea.
Revelation 12;14 reveals that the Jewish remnant are supernaturally protected for 1,260 Days/ time, times and a half.
Also meaning there is nothing stopping the remnant from continuing to burn gogs weapons for fuel/heat.
At the end of Daniels 70th week, the Lord goes to the mountainous regions of Bozrah:
Isaiah 63;
1 Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? “It is I, proclaiming victory, mighty to save.”
2 Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing.
4 It was for me the day of vengeance; the year for me to redeem had come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm achieved salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.

Also, the angels gather the remnant/elect, and including from the four winds (Matthew 24;31) the elect to the Jezreel Valley, where the Sheep and Goat Judgment will take place.

Conclusion, the burning of Gogs weapons end when Daniels 70th week has ended, just prior to the Sign of the Son of Man.
 
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