Psalm 83....help with understanding

Ohioan

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Jesus coming for his church has to be really close since Jesus said that the generation (that saw the rebirth of Israel) would not pass away till all these things be fulfilled.

The Psalm 83 war will precede the tribulation period

The rise of the antichrist comes after the rapture but before the tribulation Daniel 9:27

the nations that are involved in the Psalm 83 war are not mentioned in the Ezekiel 38 and 39 war which means that Gog Magog takes place after the Psalm 83 war

The Psalm 83 war is going to involve Isaiah 17 of Damascus becoming a ruinous heap in one nights time

The Psalm 83 war also involves Egypt which will become desolate for 40 years Ezekiel 29:11

Russia must survive the Psalm 83 war for the only time it does invade is when Israel is at peace Ezekiel 38:11 and this has to be inside the trib period under the peace covenant of Dan 9:27


where does the U.S. fit in, the nation being described in Jeremiah 50 is described as being the hindermost of the nations or the last of the nations Jer 50:12

it is described as being attacked from the north Jeremiah 50:3 , (going over the north pole from the U.S. who is there Russia)

it is described as the hammer of all the earth Jer 50:23

Arrows shall be be shot at this latter day nation Jer 50:9 and none shall return in vain (missiles anyone)

the results, this nation described will be as Sodom and Gomorrah Jer 50:40

The imagery and description are there as the identity of the hindermost or last of the nations.

In Jeremiah 51:5,6 the same warning is given to his people Israel to flee out of the midst of Babylon as in Revelation 18:4,5

Well you can judge for yourselves, there are more parallel passages between Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 18

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athenasius

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So how does the coronavirus affect the timing of all this? By July, we could see governments collapsing all over the world as their revenue bases dry up and populations demand handouts to make up for lost jobs. Mass famine as supply chains collapse. Wars. Possibly the installation of some initial form of world government to fill the power vacuums.
The timing question-- I think the increased instability will cause some of the more explosive Arab muslim states to ignite. We see in Iran and the "West Bank" or Gaza the way they deflect their country's problems by blaming everything on Israel, the Jews and Allah's displeasure over the state of Jerusalem remaining in Jewish hands. Even in the moderate states like Egypt and Jordan who have peace agreements with Israel and generally behave peacefully, they are facing muslim insurgents and activists who like to demonize Israel, and the leaders have to go along to get along.

I think just like we saw with the roll out of the "peace agreement"-- God will not allow things to start till HE allows them to.

I hesitate to say July and revenue bases drying up because of that factor. God is in control, and the economy, while it is threatened like never before and it IS showing real cracks and strain, may yet be able to totter and wobble along till GOD says NOW and the economy crashes altogether. I've been watching it behave against the law of gravity for a long time now, and even with the Covid Crisis putting a world wide sudden pressure to explode I wonder if the time is not just yet.

By that I mean, we may have a crash, and a correction, that is devastating like the dirty 30's were devastating, but not outside the normal way things work until God allows for the globalists to have their dream of a world wide crash followed by their world currency.

And I'm not saying that America and Canada and the "west" won't be left in tatters, because we could be even if the Rapture and the Tribulation are still a ways yet.

I do think things are progressing faster and more severe as time goes by, just like labour pains do.
 

ItIsFinished!

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Not feeling up to debate today, so below is from Jack. I will admit Im not married to the fact this HAS to be an event vice a prayer. However, Israel has enemies as border countries and none of them are mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39.

Question:How do we know that Psalm 83 (which, to me, sounds like a prayer, rather than a prophecy) is actually a prophecy of war? What makes that “prayer” a “prophecy” that we know as the Psalm 83 war ?


Answer: You’re correct in saying Psalm 83 is a prayer, but that doesn’t make it a hypothetical one, such as when we pray for protection against whatever danger might arise. The prayer is too specific in naming the names of Israel’s enemies, even quoting their words.

Nothing that would have fulfilled Psalm 83 has ever happened, so there are two possibilities. Either the prayer was answered pre-emptively and God over ruled the enemy’s plan, or the prayer was for a future time.

Until recently we might have accepted the first possibility, but suddenly modern nations occupying the lands of the very enemies Psalm 83 spoke of are surrounding Israel and threatening to attack, and they’re uttering the very words from Psalm 83:4.

“Come,” they say. “Let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel will be remembered no more.”

Then you have the fact that these enemies, against all logic, will not be involved in a prophecy we know is about an attack against Israel (Ezekiel 38). Why are they missing? Is it because they will have already been defeated? These are strong circumstantial indicators that Psalm 83 is a prophecy that will soon be fulfilled.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/how-do-we-know-psalm-83-is-a-prophecy/
Exactly.
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RandallB

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Issue: Is Psalm 83 Only a Prayer and not a Prophecy?

Completely agree that Psalm 83 describes a prayer by Asaph the Seer (ie Prophet) for judgment against a group of nations that are surrounding Israel, that hate her and that want Israel wiped off the map.

This prayer was prayed during a time when Israel was in a Covenant Relationship with the Lord. It was prayed so that the Lord would answer it later - at a time when they weren't in a Covenant Relationship. This prayer was prayed by a Seer which is another name for a Prophet.

Psalm 83 is therefore also a Prophecy and Zep 2, Zech 9, Ezek 35, and Jer 49 are the Specific Prophecies of the Lord’s judgments against these Ps 83 nations in answer to Asaph's prayer.

Unlike what some teach, there is definite Prophecy in Ps 83. Asaph in Psalm 83 specifically prophesizes that the surrounding nations would “For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You”. This has never happened in the past that these nations ever all conspired together. 1948/49, 1967 were pretty close but not close enough for a final fulfillment of scripture but probably points to the beginning of the fulfillment of Ps 83. Asaph prayed/prophecied that these surrounding nations that would be planning on destroying Israel would in turn be destroyed themselves. It looks like Asaph’s prayer is pretty effective as per the following prophetic scriptures:

Edom= Southern Jordan..... ( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall remain
Moab= Central Jordan …. ....( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perp etual desolation
Ammon=Northern Jordan....( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perpetual desolation
Hagarenes= Eastern Jordan....( Psalms 83:6 )
Philistines=Gaza..........( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:5 .. no inhabitant
Gebal=northern Le banon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Tyre..=southern Lebanon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Assur=northern Syria..... ( Ps alms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Assur=northern Iraq...... ( Psalms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Amalek= the Sinai........ ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall dwell in it.

The Fates of these Ps 83 nations include terms of “perpetual desolation” and “no inhabitant” are enough to take our breath away. From these terms we know none of these Fates have been fully executed in history so therefore they are still in the future.

We can see that there are definite corresponding Prophecies of destruction for each of the Nations and People groups that are mentioned in Psalm 83. Those that claim Asaph’s Psalm 83 is not a Prophecy must also somehow prove that Zephaniah, Zechariah, and Jeremiah and their writings in scripture are not Prophecies either. A pretty tall drink of water indeed…

These verses describe a Ps 83 confederation of nations that have a different purpose than the Ezek 38 nations. The Ps 83 Nations want to destroy Israel so that it is “Remembered No More” (contrast with Ezek 38 Nations’ purpose - “taking plunder”). This is right out of today’s newspapers and right at our doorsteps. The War prayed for in Ps 83 (fulfilled in Zep 2, Zec 9, Joel 1, Amos 1, Obadiah 1) allows Israel to feel secure “Betach” (pre-req for Ezek 38) after defeating (at least temporarily) all the scornful nations that surround Israel (i.e. Ezek 28:25-26). Israel will also grow rich due to these conquests of neighboring nations (also pre-req for Ezek 38) as well as developing their oil/gas reserves. So it looks like the Ps 83 judgments must happen before and may even be part of the cause of the Ezek 38 invasion. Scripture also talks about Israel inhabiting the Land of their enemies. Isaiah 11:12-14; Zeph 2:9, Jer 49:2. This has not happened in the past and therefore is still in the future.

Therefore, we see that Asaph’s Psalm 83 is indeed a Prophecy as written by a Prophet (Seer) and has collaboration in additional Prophecies by the Prophets Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah and nobody questions their credentials as prophets.

#Hugsoldfriends
 
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Andy C

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Issue: Is Psalm 83 Only a Prayer and not a Prophecy?

Completely agree that Psalm 83 describes a prayer by Asaph the Seer (ie Prophet) for judgment against a group of nations that are surrounding Israel, that hate her and that want Israel wiped off the map.

This prayer was prayed during a time when Israel was in a Covenant Relationship with the Lord. It was prayed so that the Lord would answer it later - at a time when they weren't in a Covenant Relationship. This prayer was prayed by a Seer which is another name for a Prophet.

Psalm 83 is therefore also a Prophecy and Zep 2, Zech 9, Ezek 35, and Jer 49 are the Specific Prophecies of the Lord’s judgments against these Ps 83 nations in answer to Asaph's prayer.

Unlike what some teach, there is definite Prophecy in Ps 83. Asaph in Psalm 83 specifically prophesizes that the surrounding nations would “For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You”. This has never happened in the past that these nations ever all conspired together. 1948/49, 1967 were pretty close but not close enough for a final fulfillment of scripture but probably points to the beginning of the fulfillment of Ps 83. Asaph prayed/prophecied that these surrounding nations that would be planning on destroying Israel would in turn be destroyed themselves. It looks like Asaph’s prayer is pretty effective as per the following prophetic scriptures:

Edom= Southern Jordan..... ( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall remain
Moab= Central Jordan …. ....( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perp etual desolation
Ammon=Northern Jordan....( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perpetual desolation
Hagarenes= Eastern Jordan....( Psalms 83:6 )
Philistines=Gaza..........( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:5 .. no inhabitant
Gebal=northern Le banon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Tyre..=southern Lebanon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Assur=northern Syria..... ( Ps alms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Assur=northern Iraq...... ( Psalms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Amalek= the Sinai........ ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall dwell in it.

The Fates of these Ps 83 nations include terms of “perpetual desolation” and “no inhabitant” are enough to take our breath away. From these terms we know none of these Fates have been fully executed in history so therefore they are still in the future.

We can see that there are definite corresponding Prophecies of destruction for each of the Nations and People groups that are mentioned in Psalm 83. Those that claim Asaph’s Psalm 83 is not a Prophecy must also somehow prove that Zephaniah, Zechariah, and Jeremiah and their writings in scripture are not Prophecies either. A pretty tall drink of water indeed…

These verses describe a Ps 83 confederation of nations that have a different purpose than the Ezek 38 nations. The Ps 83 Nations want to destroy Israel so that it is “Remembered No More” (contrast with Ezek 38 Nations’ purpose - “taking plunder”). This is right out of today’s newspapers and right at our doorsteps. The War prayed for in Ps 83 (fulfilled in Zep 2, Zec 9, Joel 1, Amos 1, Obadiah 1) allows Israel to feel secure “Betach” (pre-req for Ezek 38) after defeating (at least temporarily) all the scornful nations that surround Israel (i.e. Ezek 28:25-26). Israel will also grow rich due to these conquests of neighboring nations (also pre-req for Ezek 38) as well as developing their oil/gas reserves. So it looks like the Ps 83 judgments must happen before and may even be part of the cause of the Ezek 38 invasion. Scripture also talks about Israel inhabiting the Land of their enemies. Isaiah 11:12-14; Zeph 2:9, Jer 49:2. This has not happened in the past and therefore is still in the future.

Therefore, we see that Asaph’s Psalm 83 is indeed a Prophecy as written by a Prophet (Seer) and has collaboration in additional Prophecies by the Prophets Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah and nobody questions their credentials as prophets.

#Hugsoldfriends
Welcome back, your first post in over 4 years. I learned a lot from you when I first joined.

Good post, completely agree.
 

glc11

Follower of Christ. Devoted wife . Mom of 4.
Issue: Is Psalm 83 Only a Prayer and not a Prophecy?

Completely agree that Psalm 83 describes a prayer by Asaph the Seer (ie Prophet) for judgment against a group of nations that are surrounding Israel, that hate her and that want Israel wiped off the map.

This prayer was prayed during a time when Israel was in a Covenant Relationship with the Lord. It was prayed so that the Lord would answer it later - at a time when they weren't in a Covenant Relationship. This prayer was prayed by a Seer which is another name for a Prophet.

Psalm 83 is therefore also a Prophecy and Zep 2, Zech 9, Ezek 35, and Jer 49 are the Specific Prophecies of the Lord’s judgments against these Ps 83 nations in answer to Asaph's prayer.

Unlike what some teach, there is definite Prophecy in Ps 83. Asaph in Psalm 83 specifically prophesizes that the surrounding nations would “For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You”. This has never happened in the past that these nations ever all conspired together. 1948/49, 1967 were pretty close but not close enough for a final fulfillment of scripture but probably points to the beginning of the fulfillment of Ps 83. Asaph prayed/prophecied that these surrounding nations that would be planning on destroying Israel would in turn be destroyed themselves. It looks like Asaph’s prayer is pretty effective as per the following prophetic scriptures:

Edom= Southern Jordan..... ( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall remain
Moab= Central Jordan …. ....( Psalms 83:6 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perp etual desolation
Ammon=Northern Jordan....( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:9 ..perpetual desolation
Hagarenes= Eastern Jordan....( Psalms 83:6 )
Philistines=Gaza..........( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zep 2:5 .. no inhabitant
Gebal=northern Le banon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Tyre..=southern Lebanon ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Zec 9:4 ..devoured by fire.
Assur=northern Syria..... ( Ps alms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Assur=northern Iraq...... ( Psalms 83:8 ) -- > Zep 2:13 .. destroy Assyria
Amalek= the Sinai........ ( Psalms 83:7 ) -- > Jer 49:18 ..no one shall dwell in it.

The Fates of these Ps 83 nations include terms of “perpetual desolation” and “no inhabitant” are enough to take our breath away. From these terms we know none of these Fates have been fully executed in history so therefore they are still in the future.

We can see that there are definite corresponding Prophecies of destruction for each of the Nations and People groups that are mentioned in Psalm 83. Those that claim Asaph’s Psalm 83 is not a Prophecy must also somehow prove that Zephaniah, Zechariah, and Jeremiah and their writings in scripture are not Prophecies either. A pretty tall drink of water indeed…

These verses describe a Ps 83 confederation of nations that have a different purpose than the Ezek 38 nations. The Ps 83 Nations want to destroy Israel so that it is “Remembered No More” (contrast with Ezek 38 Nations’ purpose - “taking plunder”). This is right out of today’s newspapers and right at our doorsteps. The War prayed for in Ps 83 (fulfilled in Zep 2, Zec 9, Joel 1, Amos 1, Obadiah 1) allows Israel to feel secure “Betach” (pre-req for Ezek 38) after defeating (at least temporarily) all the scornful nations that surround Israel (i.e. Ezek 28:25-26). Israel will also grow rich due to these conquests of neighboring nations (also pre-req for Ezek 38) as well as developing their oil/gas reserves. So it looks like the Ps 83 judgments must happen before and may even be part of the cause of the Ezek 38 invasion. Scripture also talks about Israel inhabiting the Land of their enemies. Isaiah 11:12-14; Zeph 2:9, Jer 49:2. This has not happened in the past and therefore is still in the future.

Therefore, we see that Asaph’s Psalm 83 is indeed a Prophecy as written by a Prophet (Seer) and has collaboration in additional Prophecies by the Prophets Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah and nobody questions their credentials as prophets.

#Hugsoldfriends
Oh very interesting read!
Both a prayer AND a prophecy.

I aporeciate getting to read this post today because I have been studying about Psalm 83 with all this breaking annexation news I am addicted to reading about!
 

Ohioan

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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/militarization-of-the-middle-east-in-numbers/

The Militarization of the Middle East in Numbers

The global arms trade is huge.


While it’s hard to pin down an exact value of arms transfers, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimates that the number was at least $76 billion in 2013, with the caveat that it is likely higher.


The volume of transfers have been trending upwards now for roughly 15 years now.


Volume of Arms Transfers

Courtesy of: SIPRI


But where are these arms going?


The answer is that they are increasingly going to militarize the Middle East, which has increased imports of arms by 61% in 2011-2015, compared to the previous five year period.


The Syrian Civil War now entering its sixth year, and it’s clear that conflict is stopping no time soon in the Middle East. As a result of this and the various proxy wars, complicated relationships, and a continuing threat from ISIS, neighboring countries in the region have loaded up on arms.


That’s why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE have increased imports of arms by 275%, 279%, and 35% respectively compared to the 2006-2010 time period. Saudi Arabia is now the second largest importer of arms in the world.


Rounding out the Top 20 largest arms importers are other countries in the general region, such as the UAE, Turkey, Pakistan, Algeria, Egypt, India, and Iraq:



Courtesy of: SIPRI


How are these arms flowing to these countries?


Here’s a diagram showing the top three suppliers to each of the biggest arm importers:








Original graphics by: MEE and AFP
 
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