You're not getting that from the Bible, that's all I'll say about that.
Possible timing of the OWG
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You're not getting that from the Bible, that's all I'll say about that.
As it is when dealing with future prophecy, the bible only gives hints, and possible timing clues. All those who study prohecy can do is try and speculate on how the pieces will fit together.
Daniel 7 tells us the 4th beast will be the OWG which will devour the whole world. Do you really believe that is possible with the church still here?
I know you have convinced yourself the world is minutes away from the OWG, but the vast majority of countries would strongly disagree.
The only real details given in the bible of the timing of the OWG is it has to be in place for the AC to take the reigns from, and also details are given in revelation.
So yes, it is possible for the church to still be here for the final OWG, but I along with every notable prophecy teacher who I study all agree, its not likely.
I forgot to add…
As a reminder to all who read this thread, and many other threads on this forum - most of what we discuss about end times is speculation, especially where the bible is not crystal clear. This done mean we cant have strong opinions and attempt to defend them, but as I always do, I insert this is my opinon. If we did not have these types of discussions, whats the purpose then of having an end times forum?
JMHO
Thank you for clarifying that. I was thinking more of Christians who thought that they were Christians but weren't Christians.
madcat
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I think you are on target with this post. Since leaving Dallas in 2005, I have not found one church in the places we have lived since that time, that even mentioned the rapture. And the one who did after 4 yrs., was to make fun of Lahaye and Jennings “ Left Behind” book calling it ridiculous.
We have moved 5 times since then, and STILL no church within driving distance even mentions it on their “what we believe” section on thrift website. There are so many times I just want to share and discuss things that are happening with a like-minded person, but all I find are those who believe in Mid-trib, and just want to talk about what careers their young children will choose, what their weddings will be like, and the grandchildren they will have. They don’t even want to hear that this world is about to implode.
Either they are blind to what is happening in the world today, or they can‘t face not fulfilling their dreams. But technology has a good aspect in that I can live-stream some awesome prophecy conferences, and weekly teachings across the country.
I have adopted my MIL’s favorite saying when she was diagnosed with cancer -”live for today and don’t buy green bananas”.
Your statement as been bothering me for a few days.
Yes, I think it is implied in the bible. The bible does not have to say directly “The church will be gone before the OWG”, but with the bible verses I have referenced, it sure seems to imply we will be gone. All attempts for a OWG in the biblical accounts have failed. All attempts to form a OWG in the last 2000 years have failed. Daniel states the final kingdom will be different from all the others as it will consume the world. Why is the final kingdom different? What changes to allow this to happen? Could it be brother that the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining? If He is no longer restraining, that means we are gone. Bye Bye.
What? I buy green bananas every week…
Andiamo
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Hey brother. You are making an assumption. Just because a Chrisitian is acknowledging the possibility of a OWG before we are raptured, doesn't mean they are afraid of it. And the Pastors speaking about it, are not necessarily fear-mongering. I'm not afraid of the OWG, because I figure if it happens why we are still here, it is just that much more prophecy that has come to pass. I don't like the idea of it, and It wouldn't be a fun time, that's for sure....but it would be super exciting to witness nonetheless. I think it would be ridiculous for pastors to not speak about the OWG, seeing how close we are to it....it would be like an elephant in the room if they didn't. And I don't think it's wrong for them to talk about it in a way that doesn't guarantee we will be gone before that happens. I think that would be irresponsible of them.
As for the Restrainer, I guess the question is, what exactly is He restraining? Evil on earth? The one world government on the earth? Or specifically, the advancement and rise of the Antichrist?
Dave_97
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Interesting discussion. Personally, the scenario that makes sense to me for the OWG to form is the church to not be here. As Andy says, I might not be able to get a direct word for word quote that says this from scripture.
However, it’s as if scripture implies it to be. You need a crisis big enough for people to give up their national sovereign freedoms. When millions of people disappear it won’t go unnoticed especially if America is heavily affected. If USA crashes this will cause a domino effect to the rest of the world.
This is my personal thoughts on how this could unfold. I do think there probably would be a “Word War” right after the rapture. A weak West only emboldens Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and other eastern Nations against the West.
I see both the rapture and a Word War right after that leads to the final need to form a OWG.
Then again, I’m just speculating.
However, it’s as if scripture implies it to be. You need a crisis big enough for people to give up their national sovereign freedoms. When millions of people disappear it won’t go unnoticed especially if America is heavily affected. If USA crashes this will cause a domino effect to the rest of the world.
This is my personal thoughts on how this could unfold. I do think there probably would be a “Word War” right after the rapture. A weak West only emboldens Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and other eastern Nations against the West.
I see both the rapture and a Word War right after that leads to the final need to form a OWG.
Then again, I’m just speculating.
I did say its my opinion or Im speculating throughout this thread.
You bring up good points, thanks for posting.
One thing we do know for sure, the OWG is coming, and the sooner the better because as you know, I dont think the church will be here for that.
But, thats JMHO.
As for the Restriner, I cant think of anything more evil and in need of restraining than the formation of the OWG which will eventually be allowed to devour the earth with its evil.
You know.. it's never occurred to me to ask that question..I always just assumed it was the revealing of the AC..and the trib... since both events happen simultaneously..it's got to be these two events.. because the way things are going..I doubt it's The One World Government..and of course..one thing sure two things certain..it definately isn't evil...
I forgot to respond to this portion of your post.
I agree, and my use of fear mongering was unnecessary. I do believe there are some Christians who do live in fear of the possible OWG, and thats understandable. Some pastors lead their flocks in the belief the OWG is here, or will be in a matter of days.
I agree with Dave_97. The Rapture will be THE EVENT that will cause the formation of the OWG.
However, we are all speculating about this. I believe that this explanation makes sense, but at the end of the day it is all speculation and we could be wrong.
Dave_97
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IF we do somehow see the OWG form prior to the rapture. It might actually be good thing.
For the first time hopefully Christians we will be on the same page regarding eschatology. We will be able to warn the world knowing the end is right around the corner.
But I think it only makes sense for the OWG to form after the rapture. But who knows lol.
Andiamo
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With all of the threat right now of Nukes and WWIII, one would think that the OWG would not be the thing that makes Christians afraid. Personally, I think if the rapture event is not the event that leads to OWG, then it could be WWIII. Now that is a scary thing. I refuse to dwell on it, because I refuse to live in fear.
I do think some pastors go on and on way too much about the negative stuff. They try to give the hope of Jesus Christ at the end but I still find their videos draining lately. And I am watching them much less. Part of it is that they are grabbing the hand of fearful unbelievers, to lead them to the gospel. Which is fine sometimes if that is how the Holy Spirit is leading them. But I don't want a steady diet of every detail of how we are going down the toilet. I want to be obsessed with the Lord and how prophecy is playing out and the rapture.
I can only take so much of Tucker Carlson too. He is usually spot on but it's so depressing to listen to him.
Len
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ahhh yes!, this would be a wonderful expectation to be obsessed with our Lord with all our hearts minds strength and minds ..... and we are already seeing prophecy being fulfilled eh! specially since Israel got their lands back, earthquakes started increasing, with in todays world all we need do is see how much evil has grown in the world with the rainbow people, grooming of kids, rumours of war etc
Agree. Some on this forum will counter with the OWG can be completed before the AC comes to power, thus meaning the church will still be here along with a fully formed OWG. This is not a position I agree with.
Good topic, and many have responded with their views.
How can I have a thread without posting something from brother Jack Kelley, current resident of Heaven.
Question: I’ve heard the bible mentions that the world will one day accept a one-world government. Does that mean that the conspiracy theorists are right to say that the Bilderberg Group / Illuminati will be a global government, and thus the Illuminati was prophesied in Rev 13:3?
Answer: The fact that there will be a one world government under the control of the anti-Christ is a widely accepted theory among prophecy scholars. And it’s no secret that groups like the ones you mention have been working toward that same end for some time. Various other religious and secular groups also see a one world government coming. For example, the New Agers believe their man will rule the world, and Moslems look froward to a world wide Islamic Caliphate, a possibility that I think is the most likely one. The actual form it takes won’t be revealed until after the Church is gone.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/one-world-government/
Question: I’ve heard the bible mentions that the world will one day accept a one-world government. Does that mean that the conspiracy theorists are right to say that the Bilderberg Group / Illuminati will be a global government, and thus the Illuminati was prophesied in Rev 13:3?
Answer: The fact that there will be a one world government under the control of the anti-Christ is a widely accepted theory among prophecy scholars. And it’s no secret that groups like the ones you mention have been working toward that same end for some time. Various other religious and secular groups also see a one world government coming. For example, the New Agers believe their man will rule the world, and Moslems look froward to a world wide Islamic Caliphate, a possibility that I think is the most likely one. The actual form it takes won’t be revealed until after the Church is gone.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/one-world-government/
Spartan Sprinter 1
Formerly known as Shaun
Oh well, at least the treasurer of Australia is honest to a degree, when they asked him about whether he thought a global recession was coming his answer went from possible to probable and said that some hard times are on the horizon
This has been a good thread, strong opinions on both sides, but still a good discussion. At this point, were going in circles.
I humbly believe scripture points in the direction the church will be gone before the final OWG is established. Yes, I could be wrong in how I interpret the scripture, but it seems most end-times scholars agree with the church being gone. Hopefully we all will find out soon, very soon.
I recommend this thread be closed.
I humbly believe scripture points in the direction the church will be gone before the final OWG is established. Yes, I could be wrong in how I interpret the scripture, but it seems most end-times scholars agree with the church being gone. Hopefully we all will find out soon, very soon.
I recommend this thread be closed.
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